Stop the beer tax!

[TheMailMan]

For all you "Yes We Can" people I hope you're happy now. We have a higher beer tax now! Oh and if you have health insurance with your job get ready to pay a higher income tax.

Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/21/health/main5030387.shtml)

[DanTheBanjoman]

What do you pay on average for a pint of actual beer in a bar?

[TheMailMan]

What do you pay on average for a pint of actual beer in a bar?

Depends on the bar. The tax itself will be a 145% increase so whatever you pay now at your favorite watering hole it be increased to balance that out.

[rojidoji]

For all you "Yes We Can" people I hope you're happy now. We have a higher beer tax now! Oh and if you have health insurance with your job get ready to pay a higher income tax.

Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/21/health/main5030387.shtml)

Well we have had a similar thing passed here for 12 or so months in australia called an "Alcopop Tax" prety much our government pitched it to stop or reduce underage drinking. But the real reason is because premix drinks were the highest selling alcohol product of 2007-2008 in aus so the government pass the tax and BAM 300 mil in revenue generated in a single year.

So the reason i bring this up is because im guesing that beer is the highest selling product in america and regaurdless of the slogan they are coupling with the tax hike e.g. health care ,they are going to use it as "look how good we did in our first term" money for the budget.....if you can't tell already i hate government and organised religion but they are kind of the same thing now days anyway:D

[DanTheBanjoman]

Depends on the bar.

"on average", even though a median might be more useful.

[Steevo]

$7.50 for a good draft, $5.50 for the cheap drafts.

[dr emulator (madmax)]

101more taxes ey 101 f102 great i'm just waiting for them to tax people for just being alive

[Steevo]

They should tax Gasoline more, and hard liquors. Hell add a dollar to gas for taxes, make the assholes driving huge SUV's pay!!!!




On a side note...spell check must know I own a SUV......

[DaMulta]

"on average", even though a median might be more useful.

7-10usd Draft

2USD for a bottle

1.50USD for a can

A shot of wiskey is about 5usd for an oz.

Whst do u pay?

[El Fiendo]

That's pretty much the same in Canada. Actually a little cheaper because the exchange rate should boost our numbers up higher, but they more or less mirror the US numbers. Looks like the US is finally overpaying more than us.


Oh, and welcome back to the forums Mailman. Stay a touch longer this time.

[DanTheBanjoman]

7-10usd Draft

2USD for a bottle

1.50USD for a can

A shot of wiskey is about 5usd for an oz.

Whst do u pay?

None of those are pints. Pints here are about 3,50-4 euros, so more expensive. Though we can get .5L of crap beer in cans for as little as 25 cents. Even some acceptable stuff for like 40.

[btarunr]

1 pint Foster's strong sells for US $1 here.

[erocker]

I pay anywhere from $2.00 to $4.00 for a pint of good beer. Beer is cheap where I live, all the big fat sausage eating people drink it here, and everyone else.

[WhiteLotus]

around £3.00 for a pint, but the really good stuff that i like (if i ever find it on tap) would be around £4.50~5.00

[T3hPwn3r3r]

For all you "Yes We Can" people I hope you're happy now. We have a higher beer tax now! Oh and if you have health insurance with your job get ready to pay a higher income tax.

Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/21/health/main5030387.shtml)

Well, I can afford beer. If you don't like it, quit drinking out of protest.

Higher supply means cheaper prices for me anyway :P

[DanTheBanjoman]

around £3.00 for a pint, but the really good stuff that i like (if i ever find it on tap) would be around £4.50~5.00

We have some places that have different special beers on tap now and then. Quite a nice change from the standard beers we drink.

[Deusxmachina]

They should tax Gasoline more, and hard liquors. Hell add a dollar to gas for taxes, make the assholes driving huge SUV's pay!!!!


Regardless of what a person drives, a gas tax hike will affect each person an equal percentage based on their personal car and driving habits, won't it?

Unless you want it raised to "help save the environment" or something.

Obama already raised the cigarette taxes. And I'm pretty sure poor people smoke, so he's already lied about not raising taxes on poor people.

Never understood why people think raising taxes on ANYTHING is a good idea when government repeatedly provides evidence that it wastes the money it already gets. Clean up the wasteful spending, and then maybe we'll talk about new taxes. Seems like most people only like taxes raised when it benefits their side of class warfare.

[Steevo]

Who give a fuck if the poor people smoke, personally cigs a a nasty habit, and one that kills and costs the taxpayer (me) lots of money and is taking my retirement. Tax the shit out of it, the US has lived too long on borrowed money, and all the jeroffs who think they aren't contributing to the cause by buying the cheapest shit they can find, being a burden on the system and crying foul when stuff like this happens are the cause.


Wasteful sepnding is the huge sums a white trash trailer dweller costs the system in food stamps, medicade, free utilitys, SSI as they have "issues", rent assistance...etc and these are the same people who are crying wolf about the cigarette taxes.


And yes I do know, I used to live by these types of people. Tehy have taken what was ment to be a helping hand when times got tough, and turn it into a way of life. My brother is a example of this.

[Deusxmachina]

Wasteful sepnding is the huge sums a white trash trailer dweller costs the system in food stamps, medicade, free utilitys, SSI as they have "issues", rent assistance...etc and these are the same people who are crying wolf about the cigarette taxes..

So you want them to raise taxes on gas, why? I don't know about other states, but my state takes the highway fund money and dumps it into other crap programs, such as the ones you listed.

[Rothbardian]

Stop taxation all together. Then people would shut the fuck up about all of it.

There's been rumors of a soda tax coming soon, as well.

Anarcho-capitalism all the way.

All taxes do is pay for war, leeches, and fatcats. The government can't EVER do anything right...except maybe kill people.

[btarunr]

Anarcho-capitalism all the way.

Oligarch-capitalism. You're given the illusion that everything is normal in the capitalist-democratic State, but really, it's a handful of people hording tons of money, making more using the State. The same oligarch controls the economy and its near-future direction. Its revenue sources include the State exchequer. Now the State's revenue runs on taxation. If the State's revenue is largely disproportionate to its expenditure, you know that large chunks of unaccounted tax-payer money is going into somewhere it normally shouldn't. "Climate change" is a big source of "environment taxes" the governments are imposing/imposed. Like paying more money is going to repair our environmental mess, replenish forests to what they were in the '50s, fix the ozone hole, etc. Others include these trivial smoking/soda/beer/paper/breathing, etc.

[Rothbardian]

I want to abolish government altogether.

Are you familiar with anarcho-capitalism? REAL free markets?

[WhiteLotus]

I want to abolish government altogether.

Are you familiar with anarcho-capitalism? REAL free markets?

Abolish the only thing keeping people in line? Right, good idea. :confused:

[DanTheBanjoman]

I want to abolish government altogether.

Are you familiar with anarcho-capitalism? REAL free markets?

Yes great plan, private armies fighting eachother. Small businesses can't exist due to large cartels simply killing them. Because of that, prices skyrocket as every possible market is controlled by a single cartel.

No offense, but anyone who believes anarchy works anywhere is an idiot. Like Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried."

[Cuzza]

anarchy cannot work. greed is too powerful.

[Rothbardian]

Because democracy/totalitarianism/socialism/communism/monarchy have all worked out so well, right? Time for something NEW.

As for private armies fighting each other...that costs MONEY. They'd try to avoid doing that as much as possible (ie. peaceful resolutions). Those are the same objections Objectivists raised.

As for "keeping people in line"..you mean jailing people for victimless crimes and murdering foreign people for no reason? Yeah, I guess that's one way of keeping people in line.

[WhiteLotus]

Are you a crazy person roth? I mean really... you honestly think anarchy would work. Honestly? Or are you saying it to be "that guy"?

[btarunr]

If you are referring to anarchy as "new", then well anarchy isn't new, it's already tried. Over 3000 years ago.

[MT Alex]

Like Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried."[/QUOTE]


Ben Franklin had it much closer to the truth when he said: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner." That is why America is supposed to be a Republic.

Here's something even closer to the truth:

[DanTheBanjoman]

Because democracy/totalitarianism/socialism/communism/monarchy have all worked out so well, right? Time for something NEW.

As for private armies fighting each other...that costs MONEY. They'd try to avoid doing that as much as possible (ie. peaceful resolutions). Those are the same objections Objectivists raised.

As for "keeping people in line"..you mean jailing people for victimless crimes and murdering foreign people for no reason? Yeah, I guess that's one way of keeping people in line.

Yes, just like all those gangwars are expensive, all the money those "gangstahs" pump into it, they could probably turn their ghetto into a beautiful town instead with it.

Ah, no wait, they're poor little bastards, shooting each other isn't that expensive.

[FordGT90Concept]

20 cents a bullet and bats get cheaper with every use! :D