What Do you Drive?

[CanonGlass3]

I own a 1990 GMC Safari
But i Drive my parents
2003 Honda Pilot [SUV]
or
2002 Mini Cooper [Sports car]

lol i am a pretty safe driver..except when i get random hyper nevers

[Black Panther]

My drive's this Landrover Freelander --

http://img.techpowerup.org/090426/IMG_0734.jpg

[JC316]

Currently, I drive a 95 Saturn SL2 5 speed, but it's days are numbered. Next I will be looking at getting a 94-00 mustang GT.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Saturn%20SL2/100_9134.jpg

[3991v]

1990 Chevy Lumina

It hauls ass :D

[RevengE]

A 2004 SVT FOCUS One of My Track Pics that a friend took..
A 1987 VW Jetta GLI
I'm Into cars as you can see :) Used to have A SVT cobra just sold it a few weeks ago.

[JC316]

A 2004 SVT FOCUS One of My Track Pics that a friend took..
A 1987 VW Jetta GLI
I'm Into cars as you can see :) Used to have A SVT cobra just sold it a few weeks ago.

What year was the Cobra? I love the 96+ with the Mark VIII DOHC engine.

[RevengE]

what year was the cobra? I love the 96+ with the mark viii dohc engine.

2004

[JC316]

2004

NICE! Why on earth did you sell it and keep the SVT focus? I just sold an 02 Focus ZX3 and I didn't like it that much. Supercharged 4.6L is badass.

[wtf8269]

'97 Buick Regal. Not stock. Shooting for mid-low 12's by next summer. Built tranny for said build this summer. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/wtf8269/Car/real_hdr1.jpg
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[Black Panther]

Oh and also this one - it's a 1979 Mercedes 123.... lol
We rarely use it though... treat it like a vintage...

http://img.techpowerup.org/090427/IMG_2346.jpg

[RevengE]

NICE! Why on earth did you sell it and keep the SVT focus? I just sold an 02 Focus ZX3 and I didn't like it that much. Supercharged 4.6L is badass.

I sold it because I got offered the right amount for it :) plus I'm a VW guy I picked up another VW that I'm picking up Friday. I love my SVT focus best handling car in the price range..I autocross it.

[RevengE]

'97 Buick Regal. Not stock. Shooting for mid-low 12's by next summer. Built tranny for said build this summer. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/wtf8269/Car/real_hdr1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/wtf8269/Car/should_have_been_calendar.jpg
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Dude were you in canton or around there the other day? I saw that same car!

[Wile E]

I have a 97 Civic LX 4 door. Just a basic commuter with no mods (yet :D).

Then I have an 04 Sentra SE-R SpecV

[wtf8269]

Dude were you in canton or around there the other day? I saw that same car!
It was definitely me. I live in NC.

[Wile E]

It was definitely me. I live in NC.

So I take it you run it at Quaker City?

[RevengE]

It was definitely me. I live in NC.
I remember thinking wow that's the nicest buick
Regal I have ever seen! Props for being different.

[wtf8269]

So I take it you run it at Quaker City?
I haven't yet. I'd really like to. That's a much nicer track than the one I've been to a couple times, Dragway 42.

[Wile E]

I haven't yet. I'd really like to. That's a much nicer track than the one I've been to a couple times, Dragway 42.

I'd like to see the differences in times between 42 and QC. QC is considered a slow track by most.

[wtf8269]

I'd like to see the differences in times between 42 and QC. QC is considered a slow track by most.
Well, this May is the national meet at Summit Raceway (Norwalk) so I hope to crack into 13's there before going turbo next year.

I love the stance on that Altima, SK-1.

[Wile E]

Well, this May is the national meet at Summit Raceway (Norwalk) so I hope to crack into 13's there before going turbo next year.

I love the stance on that Altima ST-1.

Norwalk is one of the tracks I always wanted to run at. I heard it's top rate.

I'd also like to hit Old Bridge in NJ.

[JC316]

I now officially drive a 96 Mustang GT 5 speed. Will get pics up very soon. It has mods, I know this for a fact, I think it has 3.73's, it has a ford racing clutch, exhaust and others I am sure. I will get an acceleration video up soon too.

[JC316]

Been tracking down the mods on my Mustang. For sure it has 3.55 gears in the back, flowmaster exhaust, short throw shifter, and a racing clutch. I should have pics and a video up on Thursday.

[BradleyKZN]

I got an opel corsa 1.3 :rockout:

[Kreij]

2008 Jeep Wrangler X Series
http://img.techpowerup.org/090508/Jeep.jpg

[RevengE]

2008 Jeep Wrangler X Series
http://img.techpowerup.org/090508/Jeep.jpg

Do you off road that beast? :)

[Wile E]

Do you off road that beast? :)

It's a Chrysler. It would fall apart if he actually tried. :D lol

[Kreij]

Do you off road that beast? :)

I've not taken it to any of the areas in WI where there are off-road trails from cars/trucks (as opposed to ATV trails), but I have had a lot of fun driving in muddy farm fields near home. :D

[pepsi71ocean]

1999 Dodge RAM 3500 CTD, with a 6637 aftermarket air filter on it.

[blkhogan]

My baby. 2004 F250 V10
http://img.techpowerup.org/090509/DSC00013.jpg

[pepsi71ocean]

My baby. 2004 F250 V10
http://img.techpowerup.org/090509/DSC00013.jpg

that has to hurt for mpg. what are you getting with that triton? just courious?

[blkhogan]

that has to hurt for mpg. what are you getting with that triton? just courious?
Actualy not to bad I average 14 mpg. Before the chip and upgrades 10 to 12. My truck I traded for the V10 was a 2004 F150 w/ 5.4L it only averaged 16 to 17 mpg.

[JC316]

Actualy not to bad I average 14 mpg. Before the chip and upgrades 10 to 12. My truck I traded for the V10 was a 2004 F150 w/ 5.4L it only averaged 16 to 17 mpg.

That just pisses me off. My Dad's old 94 Ram 1500 with the 5.2L 318 was getting 14 and his 98 with the 5.8L 360 is getting 13. You have a V10 and get 14MPG.....

[Wile E]

That just pisses me off. My Dad's old 94 Ram 1500 with the 5.2L 318 was getting 14 and his 98 with the 5.8L 360 is getting 13. You have a V10 and get 14MPG.....

40year old design VS a ten year old design.

Not to mention Ford > Dodge anyway. :D

[blkhogan]

That just pisses me off. My Dad's old 94 Ram 1500 with the 5.2L 318 was getting 14 and his 98 with the 5.8L 360 is getting 13. You have a V10 and get 14MPG.....
There are a lot of aftermarket things you can do to increase performance, even for older trucks. I have done a few things to this truck.... Performance chip w/ programable setings, custom headers and exhaust, cold air intake (where the bigest boost came from).

40year old design VS a ten year old design.

Not to mention Ford > Dodge anyway. :D
+1

[FordGT90Concept]

1992 Cadillac STS
1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1994 F-150 XLT
2002 Chevrolet Suburban

I don't drive much so I take what ever is left which is usually the Suburban or Cadillac because they are closer. XD

[blkhogan]

1992 Cadillac STS
1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1994 F-150 XLT
2002 Chevrolet Suburban

I don't drive much so I take what ever is left which is usually the Suburban or Cadillac because they are closer. XD
+1 for the T-bird, love those years.

[Wile E]

+1 for the T-bird, love those years.

Yep. Basically a stretched Mustang. So easy to mod (not as easy to make light tho. lol)

[FordGT90Concept]

I should really take a picture of it some time. It's collecting dust at the moment and needs the tires refilled with air. XD

It's my brother's. He has been pondering selling it for probably 10 years now but just can't do it. In my opinion, that year/model is the only good looking T-Bird made. I don't like the non-turbo models of the same year, the older, nor the newer models. XD

It is white with navy interior and non-stock rims (stock rims suck).

[Wile E]

I should really take a picture of it some time. It's collecting dust at the moment and needs the tires refilled with air. XD

It's my brother's. He has been pondering selling it for probably 10 years now but just can't do it. In my opinion, that year/model is the only good looking T-Bird made. I don't like the non-turbo models of the same year, the older, nor the newer models. XD

It is white with navy interior and non-stock rims (stock rims suck).

I actually prefer the quad headlight models just before the 87+ models.

I would never turn down a cherry 87 or newer fox body TBird tho. lol.

[blkhogan]

My parents had a 86 turbo coupe, first car I ever got to drive. That car was a bullet on wheels. Wasn't real fast off the line but get it out on the highway and put it to the floor and she flew. I remember my uncle had a 79 vette (thought it was the fastest thing on earth :rolleyes:), off the line he would leave it in the dust but get a 1/4 mile or so to get the rpm's up and the turbo at full power and that t-bird would start catching up fast and in a hurry.

[FordGT90Concept]

Heh, yup. My brother said he street raced a 19 something V8 Camero and won. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the power it used to. :(


By the way, blkhogan, that's an awesome truck. :D The Triton V10s are amazing engines. Too bad they are on the chopping block. :(

[pepsi71ocean]

That isn't bad, 14. i hit 14.5mpg when ever i tow anything over 15,000lbs. 12,000 and under about 16. normal driving i get about 18.

my dodge kicks fords to the crapper every time.

Stick 10,000 lbs being your ford any my dodge and well see who has a better truck. :p

[blkhogan]

That isn't bad, 14. i hit 14.5mpg when ever i tow anything over 15,000lbs. 12,000 and under about 16. normal driving i get about 18.

my dodge kicks fords to the crapper every time.

Stick 10,000 lbs being your ford any my dodge and well see who has a better truck. :p
Your right your Dodge will out pull my truck with ease. 1 tons are geared for pulling and heavy loads. If I took mine back down with out the lift and oversized tires I would be able to tow much much more. Mine has no problem towing with the bed loaded with wood and a 32' prowler travel trailer hooked to her, it squats it down but no problem pulling up grades @ 55 mph. The V10 is a little weak on the top end but has a whole hell of a lot of torque on the low end. She can roast all 4 tires on dry pavement with out power breaking it. ;) Not good on it, but she can do it.

[pepsi71ocean]

Your right your Dodge will out pull my truck with ease. 1 tons are geared for pulling and heavy loads. If I took mine back down with out the lift and oversized tires I would be able to tow much much more. Mine has no problem towing with the bed loaded with wood and a 32' prowler travel trailer hooked to her, it squats it down but no problem pulling up grades @ 55 mph. The V10 is a little weak on the top end but has a whole hell of a lot of torque on the low end. She can roast all 4 tires on dry pavement with out power breaking it. ;) Not good on it, but she can do it.

I was referring to the Powerchokes, and the dittymaxes, LOL.

My thing is the mileage, i get 18mpg empty, and usually 16 under tow. The one time ive ever broke the 15mpg mark was towing a 18,500lbs 5th wheel camper to Florida. It was huge, it was the same height at a tractor trailer trailer, it was like 45 feet long, hell of a rig. I took it from New Jersey to Key West Florida, averages 14.6 to the Carolinas and it was about 15.2 from there down.

[Wile E]

I like the Powerstroke way better than the Cummins, personally.

[JC316]

40year old design VS a ten year old design.

Not to mention Ford > Dodge anyway. :D

Well damn it, in 40 years they should have improved the gas mileage! Even my 300K 5.7L Silverado got 17MPG highway.

In the 94-97 Dodge, it still kicks the crap out of the aging F-150. The 12MPG 5.0 and the god awful AOD transmission was just flat outdated. Plus the dodge's styling was outstanding. Ride and suspension was where the Dodge came up short. It would cup the tires in 30K miles and there was no fixing it.

After Dodge redesigned in 98, they fixed the ride/suspension problems and beat the F-150 in every way. The F-250 is the way to go in the later years.

There are a lot of aftermarket things you can do to increase performance, even for older trucks. I have done a few things to this truck.... Performance chip w/ programable setings, custom headers and exhaust, cold air intake (where the bigest boost came from).


+1

Yeah, my dads ram has a CAI and exhaust. Still doesn't help that much lol.

[Wile E]

Well damn it, in 40 years they should have improved the gas mileage! Even my 300K 5.7L Silverado got 17MPG highway.

In the 94-97 Dodge, it still kicks the crap out of the aging F-150. The 12MPG 5.0 and the god awful AOD transmission was just flat outdated. Plus the dodge's styling was outstanding. Ride and suspension was where the Dodge came up short. It would cup the tires in 30K miles and there was no fixing it.

After Dodge redesigned in 98, they fixed the ride/suspension problems and beat the F-150 in every way. The F-250 is the way to go in the later years.



Yeah, my dads ram has a CAI and exhaust. Still doesn't help that much lol.
I disagree. Having been a mech in those years, the F-150 was the superior truck. Many less problems than the Dodges.

In fact, Dodge hasn't made anything worth buying since the early 70's, tbh. For anthing that you think may have been worth buying, there was always a better alternative from another maker.

Chrysler was simply a terrible auto maker. Now, I can't speak for current models, as I haven't wrenched as a profession for about 5 years, but prior to that, there were very few vehicles they made that were any good, if any at all.

[yogurt_21]

1991 Ford Ranger XLT 4.0l V6 last tank 20.6mpg-Missing passenger side rear quarter glass, missing drivers side mirror, tranny is 20-40k from death, a/c is broke, recently repainted, otherwise in good condition. 125k miles (I've only had it for 15k miles had the previous owner taken care of it I would be driving a pristine vehicle rangers usually last much longer) estimated repair costs 1500$ value in excellent condition 2955$ Current condition fair 2355$ hmmm. <--- advice welcome.
2006 Pontiac G6 GTP 3.9l V6 last tank 20mpg -Pristine, Bought new. 35k miles. (RIP Pontiac :( sniff)
1973 Ford Ranchero 500 6.6l V8 last tank 12mpg-Bored to 7.2, dual holley 750 double pumpers, ram air intake, aluminum heads, changed cam, 750hp.
Parked, lost drive shaft on freeway (as in came off and then could not find, so really lost lol) Rear knuckle broken off tranny, 3rd member of rear end broken off (that's where the shaft dropped, then it pulled off of the rear of the tranny would have really sucked if it was the other way around) Shot tires (been sitting since 2006) No A/C. Estimated repair costs 6500$ estimated value after repairs 15k. Estimated current part out value 14k.

[pepsi71ocean]

the dodges had solid transmissions but weak torque converters. However a good aftermarket TQ will allow you to turn a stock 219HP cummins into a 400 or 500HP monster.


My complaint about the powerchokes and the ditty maxes is the mileage they get. Why is it that a Cummins powered pickup can get 18mpg empty when the same F450 can't even break 10 on a good day?

And i know several buddies with powerchokes and ditty maxes to confirm mileage.

Infact my one buddy who i frequently have to help out has a 2006 F450 with that shitty 6.xL(i can't remember if its a 6.0 or 6.4) powerchoke. He is on his 3rd powerchoke at 200K now. Were trying to find an older 7.3 to put in his truck but no luck yet. He frequently pushes that truck, always towing stuff between 10,000 and 15,000lbs. but he won't listen to a Dodge guy.

[FordGT90Concept]

F-450 is a considerably heavier chassis and usually has a lower final drive ratio too.

7.3L Power Strokes were good and so are the newer 6.4L models (2007). The 6.0L models were rubbish.

[blkhogan]

I had a 94 F250 w/ 7.3L powerstroke w/ 225,000 miles on it. It pulled many chevy's Dodges and Ford's out of the mud and ditches. It also depends on who is behind the wheel. I had a buddy that had a newer Ford F250 w/ a powerstroke, he didn't even know to let the "glow plugs" warm before starting. He would just jump in it and crank till it started. Sucker would smoke and spit and sputter. After I showed him to let the plugs warm it started much easier. Diesel's tend to get a bit better mpg compaired to their counterparts.

[JC316]

I disagree. Having been a mech in those years, the F-150 was the superior truck. Many less problems than the Dodges.

In fact, Dodge hasn't made anything worth buying since the early 70's, tbh. For anthing that you think may have been worth buying, there was always a better alternative from another maker.

Chrysler was simply a terrible auto maker. Now, I can't speak for current models, as I haven't wrenched as a profession for about 5 years, but prior to that, there were very few vehicles they made that were any good, if any at all.

While the Ford was more reliable, consider this. The Dodge made more HP, more MPG, had better styling cues, better crash ratings, had more towing capacity with the small block V8 and had way better transmissions.

All in all, my Dad had to rebuild the motor on his 94 Ram 1500 at 80K, and the transmission had just been changed at that. That was 2 days after he got the truck, from that point on, it lasted for another 220K miles with no issues except for minor crap like a starter. Finally, it was slow to go in reverse at 300K miles.

It was pretty damned reliable. His 98 is the same way 50K put on it in a year and a half without a single problem.

[FordGT90Concept]

My 1994 F-150 is still running. It has over 230k miles on it. The engine is still the original (Windsor V8 351ci). The only things that were replaced is the transfer case twice and the starter a few times. It's been sitting outside in the middle of blizzards for weeks on end and had over 100k miles put on it in under a year. Moreover, this is pretty much the same story told by most Windsor V8 owners. They are extremely reliable and built to last. Hell, there's lots of them still driving around in these parts (92-96 models).

Oh, and that truck has been through the Rockies (Old Stage Coach Road), deserts (New Mexico), and pretty much everything in between (fields, ditches, etc.). It was also involved in a few wrecks (one headlight is taped in place). Needless to say, we haven't treated it gently. XD

[Wile E]

While the Ford was more reliable, consider this. The Dodge made more HP, more MPG, had better styling cues, better crash ratings, had more towing capacity with the small block V8 and had way better transmissions.

All in all, my Dad had to rebuild the motor on his 94 Ram 1500 at 80K, and the transmission had just been changed at that. That was 2 days after he got the truck, from that point on, it lasted for another 220K miles with no issues except for minor crap like a starter. Finally, it was slow to go in reverse at 300K miles.

It was pretty damned reliable. His 98 is the same way 50K put on it in a year and a half without a single problem.
A rebuild at 80k, and you are defending it? I've actually had to rebuild them at lower than 80k on well maintained trucks. Dodge trucks are rubbish, plain and simple. Styling is only in the eye of the beholder as well. I think they also look like rubbish.

I'm a Ford man, and I'd take a Chevy over any Dodge truck you can think of.

[blkhogan]

Ive owned every make of american brand trucks.
92 Chevy 1500 Z-71 w/ 350 (junk) motor went @ 75000 miles. Rebuilt it and it ran for another 25,000 till I sold it. That truck was complete junk. Gutless, drank oil (even after rebuild), tranny couldnt pull its way out of a wet paper bag down hill.
84 Ford F250 4x4 4 spd w/ 5.0L 302. That truck was great picked it up for next to nothing and drove the living hell out of it for years. Finaly died by throwing a rod down through the oil pan, didnt help I was stuck and had it @ 7000 rpm when she let loose.
94 Dodge 1500 4x4 w/ 5.7L (i think thats what it had). Truck ran very well and got good mpg. The big negitive was it rode like a freaking semi, you felt every bump and hole in the road. Seats were the most uncomfortable things I ever sat in.
98 Dodge 2500 4x4. This truck was a dud from the day I drove it off the lot brand new. Lost the tranny @ 4500 miles, rear main blew out @ about 10,000 miles and finaly the motor started knocking @ around 16,000 miles. Traded it off as soon as I could get it to the local Ford dealership.
94 Ford F250 4x4 w/ 7.3L Powerstroke. Loved this truck!! Power, towing the whole package. Burned starters like it was cool but other than that a great truck.
04 F150 4x4 w/ 5.4L. Truck was a show stopper. Black w/ gray exterior looked alot like the Harley Davidson edition. Upgraded everything on it from front to back. Miss that truck. Traded it for my wifes Explorer that she thought she couldnt live without :( Stupid ex-wives!! :mad:
04 F250 4x4 w/ V10 (my current baby) Traded the ex's explorer in on it :D Awsome truck so far, no problems up to this point. Power to spare great towing ability and looks awesome.
Some other ones mixed in there but these are the ones that stuck in my head.
After all these years and different makes and models I personaly will own nothing but Ford trucks. Now cars...... thats a whole different ball of wax. :)

[pepsi71ocean]

i'll agree that it has more to do with the driver then the truck, but that doesn't explain the 3 powerchokes he has gone through. He talks shit about how dodges can't tow what fords can, and yet ive towed his 5th wheel trailer with trucks on it more than once, usually he looses his truck when he is towing over 10,000 through virginia or north.

Funny that dodges are shit and yet i tow his stuff and then tow his truck home on it..


And yes the F450 has a lower rear 4.11's to my 3.55's, but that just shows the inefficiency, that light duty ford power stroke can't do the work that the heavy duty cummins can do at the same rear.

[JC316]

A rebuild at 80k, and you are defending it? I've actually had to rebuild them at lower than 80k on well maintained trucks. Dodge trucks are rubbish, plain and simple. Styling is only in the eye of the beholder as well. I think they also look like rubbish.

I'm a Ford man, and I'd take a Chevy over any Dodge truck you can think of.

The previous owner wasn't much for maintaining his truck. He got it hot, cracked the piston and the head. Once maintained, it was fine. I myself am a Chevy man, every car/truck I have owned until this Mustang was a Chevy or Chevy Product.

[blkhogan]

The previous owner wasn't much for maintaining his truck. He got it hot, cracked the piston and the head. Once maintained, it was fine. I myself am a Chevy man, every car/truck I have owned until this Mustang was a Chevy or Chevy Product.
I was raised on Chevy. My dad to this day is a DIE HARD Chevy person. My first car was a 1965 Impala SS 327 w/ 2 spd power glide. I was never alowed to own anything other than Chevy's growing up. Took awhile to break the habit but once I did I never looked back. :) Trucks that is!!! I own 2 Chevy cars a 1991 Camero Z28 convertable and a 1985 Monty Carlo SS.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

ATM a 2.2 Cavalier 2002 with 36k miles on it.

Only option that it came with was auto trans.

Besides that, bare, crank everything.

[Wile E]

i'll agree that it has more to do with the driver then the truck, but that doesn't explain the 3 powerchokes he has gone through. He talks shit about how dodges can't tow what fords can, and yet ive towed his 5th wheel trailer with trucks on it more than once, usually he looses his truck when he is towing over 10,000 through virginia or north.

Funny that dodges are shit and yet i tow his stuff and then tow his truck home on it..


And yes the F450 has a lower rear 4.11's to my 3.55's, but that just shows the inefficiency, that light duty ford power stroke can't do the work that the heavy duty cummins can do at the same rear.You are one of the lucky few that got a good Dodge truck. I don't have to argue about it, the failure rates of both trucks overall speak for themselves. You getting a good one, and him getting a bad one do not speak for the brands overall.

Like I said, I was a mech for many years, Dodges were the worst trucks on the road in terms of reliability. They came thru the shop more than any other.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Our Dodge was horrible.

As is our Chrysler we have now.

Our Jeep was ok, but it was an older model.

[yogurt_21]

hey Wile E can you take a look at post 49 and let me know what you'd do in the case of the ranger? It's currently my commuter.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

I'd buy a Duramax.

[pepsi71ocean]

Ditty maxes have come along way, but i wouldn't ever buy a light duty diesel for a heavy duty application.

to many reliability issues.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

I just like the way they drive :P My friend bought one with the Allison transmission and it's a blast.

[pepsi71ocean]

the Allisons are total crap. they are good but low end stuff, but ive scene alot of issues with the GMC 4500 series of top kick trucks. apparently the transmissions can't handle the towing needs of the trucks.

[pepsi71ocean]

To show the durability and the fact that Cummins is better then Ditty max and Powerchoke look no further then the Connecting Rods. Its just shows how Heavy Duty the Cummins Engines are.

http://www.generalnonsense.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=32&d=1242166535

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Well that makes me sad. I've always loved driving Chevrolet trucks most.

[FordGT90Concept]

Um, Cummins is an I-6. Power Stroke and Duramax are V-8. When you have two extra cylinders, the load on the other pistons is reduced by about 25%. That makes the Cummins and Duramax about equal. The Power Stroke actually looks the weakest but it also probably has the longest stroke so more vertical pressure is put on it than horizontal meaning the extra strength is unnecessary.

[pepsi71ocean]

Um, Cummins is an I-6. Power Stroke and Duramax are V-8. When you have two extra cylinders, the load on the other pistons is reduced by about 25%. That makes the Cummins and Duramax about equal. The Power Stroke actually looks the weakest but it also probably has the longest stroke so more vertical pressure is put on it than horizontal meaning the extra strength is unnecessary.

but that is what makes the Duramax and the Powershoke Performance Diesels.

However you are incorrect, the Powerstroke has a 4.13inch stroke compared to my 5.9L's 4.72 inches stroke. Because my truck has to displace 6L with 6cylinders compared to your 8cylinders for 6L.

The Duramax is also 3.90 if i remember correctly. The LLY06 configuration of the Duramax is the better of the Dmax series now, but still it uses aluminum heads.

The Cummins is a heavy duty diesel because of the I-6 formation, and its also that formation that gives it the better mileage and durability over the V-8 designs. Don't get me wrong we put in V-12 and V-16 diesels into sport fishing boats, but they require bokoo maintenance over the inline diesels that go into the trawlers, and they run the same RPM ranges go figure...



However if i had to pick a diesel truck to race it would be either a chevy or a ford, because off the line the 5 speed's of the performance diesels offer a narrower powerband over that of the Inline which does same job in a 4 speed, but it is alot slower out of the hole.

This is because the Inline configuration has a low RPM max over that of the V-8 design and that is because as you said before the static power and the Piston speeds from the addition of an extra 2 cylinders. But the longer rods make for a higher piston speed as well. And durability, the Inline design is uses in all applications where durability is required.

And that is why the Cummins engine will last 500,000 miles without a tune up, hell it will outlast the life of the truck, when compared to the Powerstrokes and Dmaxes lasting 150,000 miles and some.

Or in the case of my die hard Ford towing from, 60,000 miles and then he blows the bearings due to an oil breakdown, or blows a piston, chews up a turbo, and go knows why his luck is like that...

But i might convince him to go with a Cummins for conversion, found a 5.9L out of a dead 00 Ram 3500. Ive got him convinced he can go to 425 HP/880lbs of torque respectively and still get the job done, i told him his ford transmission won't hold up though.

[FordGT90Concept]

The Cummins is a heavy duty diesel because of the I-6 formation, and its also that formation that gives it the better mileage and durability over the V-8 designs. Don't get me wrong we put in V-12 and V-16 diesels into sport fishing boats, but they require bokoo maintenance over the inline diesels that go into the trawlers, and they run the same RPM ranges go figure...
They're all lighty duty engines for light duty trucks. "Heavy Duty" has nothing to do with the piston arrangement. In fact it is more or less advertising.

You only need access to one side of an inline engine to service it. They also tend to have fewer cylinders so there is fewer parts to service.

The V configuration is mostly used to prevent the engine from rocking the body of the vehicle as the pistons cancel each other out. If memory serves, V configurations can generally produce more power early in the power curve through more RPMs and even more power once it hits the turbo's boost range.


The endurance of the engine depends mostly on how over-built the design is. The 7.3L Power Stroke, for instance, was an over built engine (few problems). The 6.0L Power Stroke was under built (lots of problems).

[Wile E]

To show the durability and the fact that Cummins is better then Ditty max and Powerchoke look no further then the Connecting Rods. Its just shows how Heavy Duty the Cummins Engines are.

http://www.generalnonsense.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=32&d=1242166535

It doesn't show how bad their head sealing is compared to the other 2, or how the main bearings tend to wear faster.

The load of the engine is only spread out over 6 cylinders in the cummins, vs 8 on the other 2. It REQUIRES bigger/stronger rods.

Using an inline design has no advantages over a V design, if all else were equal. In fact, the V design has the advantage of less crank harmonics, if all else is equal.

[pepsi71ocean]

They're all lighty duty engines for light duty trucks. "Heavy Duty" has nothing to do with the piston arrangement. In fact it is more or less advertising.

You only need access to one side of an inline engine to service it. They also tend to have fewer cylinders so there is fewer parts to service.


I recant my earlier statement about the ISB engine, the ISB is a medium Duty Engine, while the ISX series are Heavy Duty. The Same Cummins 5.9L in my truck is also found in Humvees, light duty tanks/APC, tractors, marine applications, School Busses, RV's and Some heavy Duty Fords as well. SO how is it a light duty diesel, that is why the V-8 is that Cummins is coming out with for the Dodge RAM 1500.

BTW both the Powerstroke and the Dmax are classified as light duty diesels.




The V configuration is mostly used to prevent the engine from rocking the body of the vehicle as the pistons cancel each other out. If memory serves, V configurations can generally produce more power early in the power curve through more RPMs and even more power once it hits the turbo's boost range.

The endurance of the engine depends mostly on how over-built the design is. The 7.3L Power Stroke, for instance, was an over built engine (few problems). The 6.0L Power Stroke was under built (lots of problems).

Yes, the same is true for the Inline 6 engine 1-5-3-6-2-4 the firing order cancels out the other movements. Inlines are more efferent then their V-diesel counterparts.

Inlines produce more torque on the low end then their V-type counterparts, however a V-engine will sustain a higher RPM then an inline engine. but at the same time that is why Diesels use them Diesel by its self is a low end fuel. Hell that is why ships use Inlines that crank at 80-90RPM.

The 7.3 was the king shit powerstroke, to bad they didn't meet the emissions standards that Cummins can, otherwise they would still be around.


It doesn't show how bad their head sealing is compared to the other 2, or how the main bearings tend to wear faster.

The load of the engine is only spread out over 6 cylinders in the cummins, vs 8 on the other 2. It REQUIRES bigger/stronger rods.


Ive never heard of issues such as head sealing unless your talking about the #53 issue?? That was corrected with the #56 block design. Im not saying all engines are great, if you must talk about issues, lets talk about the Dmaxes oil pressure issues, or the powerstrokes injector problems....

It requires bigger stronger rods because of the higher Piston speed when compared to the PS or the Dmax. If you stuck a ditty max or a PS rod into a cummins engine it would send the piston through the head due to lack of bulk. Its longer/ heaver Connecting rods gives the Cummins significantly more low end torque compared to the lower rod size of that PS or the Dmax.


Using an inline design has no advantages over a V design, if all else were equal. In fact, the V design has the advantage of less crank harmonics, if all else is equal.

I know you are saying "if all else equil" but...

Are you sure about that? The I6 is inherently balanced by their firing order, and have secondary balancing internally and doesn't require a balancing shaft or a balance, its already harmonic in design. The same is true for the V-6-8-12 designs.

The straight-6 is a simple engine that is in both primary and secondary balance. It can be scaled up to very large sizes without causing excessive vibration. This is why cruise ships and tankers use them. They are also more fuel efficient.

Not all V engines are harmonic, for exaqmple the ford triton requires a balancing shaft, rather wise the Dodge SRT-10 engine doesn't because of its odd firing order eliminates the need for a balancing shaft.

If there is no advantage between an inline and a V-configuration then why do tractor trailers, dump trucks, and heavy applications use them over V engines?

[Wile E]

I recant my earlier statement about the ISB engine, the ISB is a medium Duty Engine, while the ISX series are Heavy Duty. The Same Cummins 5.9L in my truck is also found in Humvees, light duty tanks/APC, tractors, marine applications, School Busses, RV's and Some heavy Duty Fords as well. SO how is it a light duty diesel, that is why the V-8 is that Cummins is coming out with for the Dodge RAM 1500.

BTW both the Powerstroke and the Dmax are classified as light duty diesels.





Yes, the same is true for the Inline 6 engine 1-5-3-6-2-4 the firing order cancels out the other movements. Inlines are more efferent then their V-diesel counterparts.

Inlines produce more torque on the low end then their V-type counterparts, however a V-engine will sustain a higher RPM then an inline engine. but at the same time that is why Diesels use them Diesel by its self is a low end fuel. Hell that is why ships use Inlines that crank at 80-90RPM.

The 7.3 was the king shit powerstroke, to bad they didn't meet the emissions standards that Cummins can, otherwise they would still be around.




Ive never heard of issues such as head sealing unless your talking about the #53 issue?? That was corrected with the #56 block design. Im not saying all engines are great, if you must talk about issues, lets talk about the Dmaxes oil pressure issues, or the powerstrokes injector problems....

It requires bigger stronger rods because of the higher Piston speed when compared to the PS or the Dmax. If you stuck a ditty max or a PS rod into a cummins engine it would send the piston through the head due to lack of bulk. Its longer/ heaver Connecting rods gives the Cummins significantly more low end torque compared to the lower rod size of that PS or the Dmax.



I know you are saying "if all else equil" but...

Are you sure about that? The I6 is inherently balanced by their firing order, and have secondary balancing internally and doesn't require a balancing shaft or a balance, its already harmonic in design. The same is true for the V-6-8-12 designs.

The straight-6 is a simple engine that is in both primary and secondary balance. It can be scaled up to very large sizes without causing excessive vibration. This is why cruise ships and tankers use them. They are also more fuel efficient.

Not all V engines are harmonic, for exaqmple the ford triton requires a balancing shaft, rather wise the Dodge SRT-10 engine doesn't because of its odd firing order eliminates the need for a balancing shaft.

If there is no advantage between an inline and a V-configuration then why do tractor trailers, dump trucks, and heavy applications use them over V engines?The longer rod isn't what contributes to the Cummins low end torque advantage. It has more to do with Intake manifold sizes, valve timing, and turbo choice. They have to tune it for more low end torque and less engine speed because bigger, heavier parts are harder to rev.

Heavy industries have different requirements than that of a consumer grade pick up truck. My V vs I comment was in reference to the niche it is filling, not necessarily that it's the end all be all of engine design.

One of the key benefits to the I-6 design is the ability to cast much more strength in the block. Helping vehicles in the heavy industries, but, in terms of the grade of trucks we are talking about, it can add weight, which isn't always optimal. They also naturally take more space front to rear than a V, which would help disperse the weight front to rear better in the case of extremely large versions found on ships, but does little to help a pick up truck.

And it always come down to nuances in the design as well. A terribly designed V is obviously going to be worse than a well designed I-6. Some of the most reliable engines ever made were I-6s, that doesn't mean that the I-6 design is better for consumer grade trucks.

And note I said harmonics, not vibrations. Bigger, heavier metals are more prone to harmonics. It isn't always directly related to engine balance. Of course, the Cummins may not ever be revved to what is necessary to cause those natural harmonics, so the point may be moot.

Either way, I find the cummins in the Dodges to be unimpressive. They aren't anywhere near as good or reliable as their bigger brothers. And even when they do manage huge mileage, the rest of the damn truck had to be rebuilt enough times to make up for it.

[pepsi71ocean]

Longer rods do contribute to more torque, a Longer roded engine that sports a 10 inch connecting rod will develop more toque at a lower RPM then a rod that is 7 inches long. Alternatively a 7 inc rod will allow a higher sustainable RPM then there longer brethren.

This is because for the same displacement the engine with a longer rod will develop more torque, but at the cost of high rated RPM.

The Cummins develops its max torque at 1,500-1,650 depending on the model, and max HP is between 2,500-2,700 RPM. That is the normal range for a engine of this displacement, larger engines that sport larger inline displacements will have lower rpm's because as you said weight issues.

However the longer the rod the less wear on the piston and the piston and the cylinder walls, when compared to the Shorter rods.


For example the RR Merlin has 10 inch connecting rods, it makes max torque at 1,700RPM and max HP at 3,000. a larger crank throw, and larger coneting rods help develop the torque and the HP.

Now there are other things that can effect the TQ and HP as you said above, such as Valve duration, egg size, cam size, valve configuration, etic.

My ISB 5.9L is about 1,250lbs, is that heavier then the 700lbs for the 7.3PS yes, however the extra 500lbs i think adds to my stopping power and adds weight to the front of the truck. I know the front tires carry about 3,500lbs on them, the rear tires are about 4,000 empty.

I would rather have a truck with an engine that will outlast a truck then a truck that will outlast the engine.

the Ford 650+ series use Cummins Engines, and a Catillper option.

I think the ISB is impressive for what it was designed for. For an engine designt hat is over 20 years old i think it has matured very well.

[Wile E]

Longer rods do contribute to more torque, a Longer roded engine that sports a 10 inch connecting rod will develop more toque at a lower RPM then a rod that is 7 inches long. Alternatively a 7 inc rod will allow a higher sustainable RPM then there longer brethren.

This is because for the same displacement the engine with a longer rod will develop more torque, but at the cost of high rated RPM.

The Cummins develops its max torque at 1,500-1,650 depending on the model, and max HP is between 2,500-2,700 RPM. That is the normal range for a engine of this displacement, larger engines that sport larger inline displacements will have lower rpm's because as you said weight issues.

However the longer the rod the less wear on the piston and the piston and the cylinder walls, when compared to the Shorter rods.


For example the RR Merlin has 10 inch connecting rods, it makes max torque at 1,700RPM and max HP at 3,000. a larger crank throw, and larger coneting rods help develop the torque and the HP.

Now there are other things that can effect the TQ and HP as you said above, such as Valve duration, egg size, cam size, valve configuration, etic.

My ISB 5.9L is about 1,250lbs, is that heavier then the 700lbs for the 7.3PS yes, however the extra 500lbs i think adds to my stopping power and adds weight to the front of the truck. I know the front tires carry about 3,500lbs on them, the rear tires are about 4,000 empty.

I would rather have a truck with an engine that will outlast a truck then a truck that will outlast the engine.

the Ford 650+ series use Cummins Engines, and a Catillper option.

I think the ISB is impressive for what it was designed for. For an engine designt hat is over 20 years old i think it has matured very well.More weight anywhere hurts braking distances, not helps it.

As far as the long vs short rod argument, given the same bore, stroke and number of cylinders, and all else being equal, a long rod does not produce more low end torque and a short rod does not produce more top end. Many engine builders have proved that to be myth. There are sometimes exceptions, or extreme cases, as with anything, but overall that is just a misconception. It has little to do with power curve. The longer stroke just needs the longer rods to maintain a good rod:stroke ratio and reduce wear. Longer rods prefer to not be revved, not because of power potential, but because of wear issues.

The Dodge has a lower rev range because it's parts are heavier, and they had no choice but to design it for lower rpms.

As far as reliability, the Dodge trucks don't have it overall, compared to the Fords and Chevys. Dodges have a decent diesel going, but that's about it. And even then, I'd still take a Powerstroke (except the 6l) over it any day. I don't know enough about the newer Duramax to comment.

[pepsi71ocean]

If ford made a F450 with a Cummisn 5.9L or a 6.7L it weould be the best of both worlds IMO.

Its not a myth, that i know. Ive done way to much research on engine design and RR Merlins, and aircraft engines to find that.

For example the Olds 455 its incapable of living at high rpm. Thatis because the 455 has the longest stroke of all stock big-blocks on the market. Its 3-inch-od main bearings are also the biggest. At 6,000 rpm the Olds main bearing [rotational] speed is nearly the same as a small-block Ford at 9,000 rpm",

Therefor the Olds will turn the same amount for torque at a lower rpm. This is because a longer rod will cause the piston to pull away sooner from TDC then a shorter rod engine.

My dodge has better braking power under load or even empty then my friends F450. or my ex/gf's GMC-3500 with a Duramax in it. And we have also done tow stops and ive slowed to a stop better, and i can't get the truck to skid to a stop either.

Ive managed to win on all of the stopping under loads and empty when compared to the other trucks. Acceleration wise it was really close. I came in behind the PS, but infront of the Dmax. but then again the Dmax had alot of lag because the Dmax tuyrbo causes the truck to struggle under load as ive scene it. but then again he didn't have the 06LLY reconfiguration so he was a high risk for oil breakdown and oil pressure issues.

[Wile E]

If ford made a F450 with a Cummisn 5.9L or a 6.7L it weould be the best of both worlds IMO.

Its not a myth, that i know. Ive done way to much research on engine design and RR Merlins, and aircraft engines to find that.

For example the Olds 455 its incapable of living at high rpm. Thatis because the 455 has the longest stroke of all stock big-blocks on the market. Its 3-inch-od main bearings are also the biggest. At 6,000 rpm the Olds main bearing [rotational] speed is nearly the same as a small-block Ford at 9,000 rpm",

Therefor the Olds will turn the same amount for torque at a lower rpm. This is because a longer rod will cause the piston to pull away sooner from TDC then a shorter rod engine.

My dodge has better braking power under load or even empty then my friends F450. or my ex/gf's GMC-3500 with a Duramax in it. And we have also done tow stops and ive slowed to a stop better, and i can't get the truck to skid to a stop either.

Ive managed to win on all of the stopping under loads and empty when compared to the other trucks. Acceleration wise it was really close. I came in behind the PS, but infront of the Dmax. but then again the Dmax had alot of lag because the Dmax tuyrbo causes the truck to struggle under load as ive scene it. but then again he didn't have the 06LLY reconfiguration so he was a high risk for oil breakdown and oil pressure issues.Actually, for the same given stroke, a longer rod produces more dwell time at TDC and BDC, but higher piston acceleration after that. At any rate, leaving everything else the same, swapping for a longer rod does not change the power curve. Sure, a longer rod may not like to rev as much, but it, in and of itself, does not change the power curve at all. This was proven by multiple race engine builders on a dyno. It's better suited for lower prm use, but has no effect on the power.

And your truck has either better brakes, or just far superior tires on it. More weight will never help anything stop faster.

[pepsi71ocean]

I might eventually ask you a bazillion questions abut my RR-Merlin rebuild some day that is..

[Wile E]

I might eventually ask you a bazillion questions abut my RR-Merlin rebuild some day that is..

You know what, come to think of it, I'm more of a gasser guy than I am a diesel guy (referring to your comment in JC's thread), thinking about it, the dwell time might absolutely have an effect on a diesel's power range, considering they are compression combustion, and not spark controlled. Hmmmmmmm. I need to find some race diesel builders. lol.

So in all that debating, you may be right about the longer rods in a diesel (not sure, myself), as my comments on it were based on gas engines.

[pepsi71ocean]

Comparing a Powerstroke or a Duramax to a Cummins engine is two separate designs. What works on a Powerstroke won't necessarily work on a Cummins Engine and Visa Versa.

Powerstrokes and Dmaxes develop their torque and HP&TQ at a higher RPM for example the 7.3L devlops max HP at 3,000 RPm and max TQ at 2,000RPM. The Cummins engine by its inline design and larger rod assemblies will develope more power at lower RPM's due to the engines specifics.

The longer rods help with compression. Air is compressed until it has been heated above the autoignition temperature of diesel(about 400F); then the fuel is injected as a high-pressure spray, keeping the fuel-air mix within the flashpoint limits of diesel. There is no ignition source. Therefore, diesel is required to have a high flash point and a low autoignition temperature. Diesel flash points vary between 126°F and 204°F.

The reason for longer rods is to help off set the explosive force given by the diesel, remember were talking about 17, 18, 20:1 for pressure not 9.5 or 10:1 for gassers. Thus why gas V-8's running under high compression don't last as long as those running say 7:1. The sae is true for a gas engine running 7:1 that is supercharged. to 14:1, it will last longer then a engine running 14:1 stock.

Even alcohol funny cars are running in the 12s for compression.


Longer rods are heavier, but the weight is somewhat offset by reduced angle/load against cyl walls/bearings/journals/etc.

Also the longer the rods the slower the breathing pattern on the engine, which when turboed gives the diesel its power. without a Turbo a diesel would need a huge displacement to develop the same power.

[Wile E]

Comparing a Powerstroke or a Duramax to a Cummins engine is two separate designs. What works on a Powerstroke won't necessarily work on a Cummins Engine and Visa Versa.

Powerstrokes and Dmaxes develop their torque and HP&TQ at a higher RPM for example the 7.3L devlops max HP at 3,000 RPm and max TQ at 2,000RPM. The Cummins engine by its inline design and larger rod assemblies will develope more power at lower RPM's due to the engines specifics.

The longer rods help with compression. Air is compressed until it has been heated above the autoignition temperature of diesel(about 400F); then the fuel is injected as a high-pressure spray, keeping the fuel-air mix within the flashpoint limits of diesel. There is no ignition source. Therefore, diesel is required to have a high flash point and a low autoignition temperature. Diesel flash points vary between 126°F and 204°F.

The reason for longer rods is to help off set the explosive force given by the diesel, remember were talking about 17, 18, 20:1 for pressure not 9.5 or 10:1 for gassers. Thus why gas V-8's running under high compression don't last as long as those running say 7:1. The sae is true for a gas engine running 7:1 that is supercharged. to 14:1, it will last longer then a engine running 14:1 stock.

Even alcohol funny cars are running in the 12s for compression.


Longer rods are heavier, but the weight is somewhat offset by reduced angle/load against cyl walls/bearings/journals/etc.

Also the longer the rods the slower the breathing pattern on the engine, which when turboed gives the diesel its power. without a Turbo a diesel would need a huge displacement to develop the same power.That's true of any engine, really. Forced induction is the only replacement for displacement.

[pepsi71ocean]

But there is no replacement for displacement, lol

massive Displacement FTW!!!

Ive heard on more then one occasion that my 5.9L wouldn't produce 150HP if it wasn't turboed. and that to get the same 220HP that ide need something more along the lines of 8 or 9L's to get the same numbers.

[Wile E]

Meh, I'll stick with smaller, lighter force fed engines, rather huge, heavy hunks of iron in the front of my car. I like things to handle in addition to going fast in a straight line. lol.

[pepsi71ocean]

lol.

Well now i know who to talk to about 1,650 CID V-12 low compression supercharged aircraft replacement powerplants, lol

so do you think that fork and knife connection rod ................

lol

1,650CID 2,200HP@ 3,300RPM<-FTW

[Wile E]

lol.

Well now i know who to talk to about 1,650 CID V-12 low compression supercharged aircraft replacement powerplants, lol

so do you think that fork and knife connection rod ................

lol

1,650CID 2,200HP@ 3,300RPM<-FTW

That is one hell of a lot of supercharger to pull that off. lol. I'll take 2200HP at 3300 rpm. Just need to find a rear end with REALLLLLLY long gears. lol.

[pepsi71ocean]

Or you could get some 50 inch tires and say a 5.12, 4.56 gears. but with that torque i say you could use 4.10's and still lay rubber.

That is why the airplane im building it for its designed to cruise at 2,300-2,500RPM, which is about what i figure would be about 3/4 WOT. 375-400mph needs about 1,400HP to sustain flight at 33,000feet. means i can get from NJ to flordia in like 4 hours, lol

P-51 Airframe laminar flow wings, 300gallons and using DFI should see about 58gal per hour for burn rate, vs the 62-65 of the old double carb setup with the dual intercoolers and ADI injection.

Im planning on a 2 stage 2 speed supercharger, stage 1 is 10" stage 2 is 12", lol, running about 65inches of Hg, lol.

You should see the old V-10 design i had, that is going into another guys airplane he is designing, its based off the Dodge Viper block, however ive warned him that the V-10 i designed was about 1,063cid, while he is trying to get the same HP out of it using the 513cid(8.4L) block.

I want to build 2 of those V-10's and stick them ina 45 foot speed boat. imagine devloping 1,100 HP at 3,000RPM, and throwing surface drives and SS surface 80inchr props on it, easily 100MPH boat FTW.

I had a V-8 i started this whole thing with, never got anywhere with it before i moved tot he V-10 and finally to the V-12 design that exists now.

I spend to much time developing engines for aircraft. that i will eventually build and or buy or dream about.

[FordGT90Concept]

I wanna stick a 6000+ HP diesel locomotive engine in a pickup. :(

[pepsi71ocean]

I wanna stick a 6000+ HP diesel locomotive engine in a pickup. :(

yea get one of those Cummins N, K, or QSK series 19L 200 RPM monsters in your truck.

25 speed transmission and 5.56 gears you could tow mt everest if you wanted to, lol

[yogurt_21]

this has definetly been interesting and informitive to read. Personally I know exactly zilch about diesel engines so I had google handy to translate lol.

I can build rebuild and overhaul a 60's-late 70's V8 gas engine blindfolded but when it comes to newer stuff I can get lost.

looks like my ranger is on it's way out so I've got my work cut out for me in saving for a new vehicle. I want a 2009 4 door f-150 XLT with a 4.6l 3v (mileage) but we'll see if my ranger will last long enough. At 2 years old with 30-40k miles it'll cost me 16-18k. vs the 32-36k new. here's hoping the ranger has 40k miles left in her.

[mlee49]

Alright motor heads check it, I drive a 2004 Honda Accord EX-L, full leather power everything with sunroof. I also have a 2003 GMC Envoy SLT extended w/3rd row, DVD and power everything.

I'm no gear head but I love my two cars. Cant say I get the best MPG with the Envoy but it's great for the family car/moving time.

Any like/dislike my cars? If so why/why not?

[FordGT90Concept]

yea get one of those Cummins N, K, or QSK series 19L 200 RPM monsters in your truck.
Too small. I need a GE 7HDL16: 6,250 hp, V16, 175L. That will need a really strong straight truck chassis to take the weight. XD

The largest Cummins makes is the QSK78 (~3,000 hp, V18, 78L).

[pepsi71ocean]

Alright motor heads check it, I drive a 2004 Honda Accord EX-L, full leather power everything with sunroof. I also have a 2003 GMC Envoy SLT extended w/3rd row, DVD and power everything.

I'm no gear head but I love my two cars. Cant say I get the best MPG with the Envoy but it's great for the family car/moving time.

Any like/dislike my cars? If so why/why not?

drop and old Cummins B series 12v diesel in that GMC. They make conversion kits for it. once your done you'll get a solid 22-24mpg swinging 2.73 rears, and you'll be able to tow alot of things as well.


Too small. I need a GE 7HDL16: 6,250 hp, V16, 175L. That will need a really strong straight truck chassis to take the weight. XD

The largest Cummins makes is the QSK78 (~3,000 hp, V18, 78L).

the problem with that is your burning like 100 galls an hour, lol, you'll need a trailer just for a 5,000 gallon fuel tank, lol

[FordGT90Concept]

Ack, true. Hmm, kinda useless then. Yeah, about as useful as a showroom peice. :(

The only way it would make sense is if you used those 6000+ ponies to make money and a lot of it. I wonder if NASA is looking to outsource moving the shuttle? ROFL

[pepsi71ocean]

i think those engines are just as powerful if not more. i know that each tank bar weight like 2,500lbs a peace, lol.

[Wile E]

this has definetly been interesting and informitive to read. Personally I know exactly zilch about diesel engines so I had google handy to translate lol.

I can build rebuild and overhaul a 60's-late 70's V8 gas engine blindfolded but when it comes to newer stuff I can get lost.

looks like my ranger is on it's way out so I've got my work cut out for me in saving for a new vehicle. I want a 2009 4 door f-150 XLT with a 4.6l 3v (mileage) but we'll see if my ranger will last long enough. At 2 years old with 30-40k miles it'll cost me 16-18k. vs the 32-36k new. here's hoping the ranger has 40k miles left in her.

Just get a junkyard tranny to hold you over on the Ranger. $500, tops.

[yogurt_21]

thought about that, we'll see what i ahev to spare once I get my student loan in. Thats rigth teh yogurt is going back to school. friggin sucks, but I need a masters to get to the next pay scale.

we have a few pick a parts around here I'll check for 89-92 xlt's though I'd prefer that place out in wickenberg, they pull it for you inspect it and have it at the front desk. and they don't charge extra for it. it's their way of staying competitive with those in town after all it is an hour drive each way.

[ASCStinger]

98 Grand Pricks GTP, currently stock

I've got a Gen V M90 ready to bolt on, just need a few supporting mods (N* TB, Headers and U-bend delete, CAI, 3.5 pulley). after that probably a GMPP Handling kit and eventually a full motor build. 117k on the clock right now

Shooting for low 13's and 12's after the new motor. Right now my best run is a 14.6 on crappy kumho's

[A Cheese Danish]

2000 Ford Taurus SE Flex Fuel with 221,000 miles
And let me say that E85 sucks! Sure it is a cleaner fuel, but I don't like my car riding on it lol
Especially on long distances

[pepsi71ocean]

yea the E85 shit sucks, you get worse fuel economy with it.


At least i get a MPG increase on bio diesel, lol

[Wile E]

yea the E85 shit sucks, you get worse fuel economy with it.


At least i get a MPG increase on bio diesel, lol

Yep. That's because E85 runs stoich at much richer mixtures.

[1Kurgan1]

yea the E85 shit sucks, you get worse fuel economy with it.


At least i get a MPG increase on bio diesel, lol

E85 is awesome, there was just a test in Hot Rod or Car Craft, I can't remember which. 110 vs E85 and they got better results from E85. Yes you get about 15% less gas mileage, but the price is meant to combat that and even paying for 15% more you still are leaps and bounds under the cost of 110 and with better results.

[pepsi71ocean]

2 stroke oil+ 40 celtane Diesel=best MPG!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW!!!!!!!


all i know is that i don't see any difference between 40 and 44 celtane, and the B20 slight difference.

Best is 40celtane mixed 1oz to 1 gal of 2 stroke oil, must be TWC and that smooths the engine right down, and helped increase mileage as well. i see .almost 1mpg increase from just the 2 stroke oil its self.

[wtf8269]

E85 is awesome, there was just a test in Hot Rod or Car Craft, I can't remember which. 110 vs E85 and they got better results from E85. Yes you get about 15% less gas mileage, but the price is meant to combat that and even paying for 15% more you still are leaps and bounds under the cost of 110 and with better results.

A lot of GTP/L67 guys are switching to running E85. Basically requires bigger injectors and tuning.

[1Kurgan1]

A lot of GTP/L67 guys are switching to running E85. Basically requires bigger injectors and tuning.

Thats funny you mention that I have a 99 GP GTX with quiet a bit done to it (including L32 + Gen V blower swap). There is still issues with E85 though. It causes your seals to dry out real fast unless they are intended for E85, so running them on just bigger injectors and a tune will cause issues down the line. I was gonna post pics sometime since I'm lazy, but might as well do it now since it came up (btw nice Regal).

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/1474380/800/My-Car/GTX-Pass-Front---No-Date.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/1410307/800/My-Car/Driver-Front---Day.jpg
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/1407656/800/My-Car/Interior-Gauges.jpg
And here's an exhaust clip with it just sitting idle :D
http://1kurgan1.picturepush.com/album/41429/1407657/My-Car/Burbly-Exhaust-Clip.html

Since you got a L67 car, check out that 240 miles left with it sitting at half a tank :p Made peoples jaws drop when they seen that, was getting like 32 mpg on the freeway back from buying it.

[ASCStinger]

I get 240 miles on a full tank with my GTP rofl

my control arm bushings are both shot.. guess I'll have to do those when i throw on the GMPP handling package

[1Kurgan1]

Not sure what I get full tank now, around town it's about 18 - 20 mpg and on average like 25 - 26 on the freeway with average driving. That 32mpg I was pussy footing it so hard just to see what I could get, granted I was still doing 75, but I would back off on hills and try and keep the rpms as low as possible without it downshifting.

I really need to get my 3.5" pulley on it though, I really should be looking for a 3.3" or so though, but I got the 3.5" sitting here, so thats goin on for now.

[JC316]

32MPG is nice. My old saturn got 38MPG highway and didn't make half the power of a GTP. Of course, I could leadfoot it and still make 30+mpg

[SK-1]

Thats funny you mention that I have a 99 GP GTX with quiet a bit done to it (including L32 + Gen V blower swap). There is still issues with E85 though. It causes your seals to dry out real fast unless they are intended for E85, so running them on just bigger injectors and a tune will cause issues down the line. I was gonna post pics sometime since I'm lazy, but might as well do it now since it came up (btw nice Regal).

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/1474380/800/My-Car/GTX-Pass-Front---No-Date.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/1410307/800/My-Car/Driver-Front---Day.jpg
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/1407656/800/My-Car/Interior-Gauges.jpg
And here's an exhaust clip with it just sitting idle :D
http://1kurgan1.picturepush.com/album/41429/1407657/My-Car/Burbly-Exhaust-Clip.html

Since you got a L7 car, check out that 240 miles left with it sitting at half a tank :p Made peoples jaws drop when they seen that, was getting like 32 mpg on the freeway back from buying it.

Very nice ride...

[pepsi71ocean]

i get about 530miles to 6/8ths of a tank or about 30 gallons.

It depends its usually between 16-18mpg, depending on how i pedal it. if im good on the pedal i can break 18mpg. if im lead footed it drops to about 16.

[1Kurgan1]

30 gallon tank lol, what kinda truck you got? Or a car with a huge tank, if it's a truck though I'm pretty impressed thats not bad MPG, must be a 6 popper, an 8 would drop way under 16 if you were a leadfoot.

[pepsi71ocean]

Its actually a 35 gallon tank, but i usually fill up about 8 gallons shy, so i have a buffer, so i usually fill up around 1/4 tank in the winter and no less then 1/2 a tank in the summer

its a Dodge RAM 3500 with dulle wheels in the back. and 3.55's in the pumpkins, its also 4wd.

Has a 5.9L CTD in it, with a modified airfilter.

[1Kurgan1]

Nice, I suppose that massive straight 6 lugs around allowing you to squeez out that pretty impressive mpg. Anything done to it besides the air filter, turbo diesels can get shockingly quick.

[pepsi71ocean]

well witht he 3.55's your cruise down the road doing 1,500rpm @55mph. you don't see any boost increase until 1,600ish. As long as your keep below 1,700ish rpm's your mpg is great.

Even under towing the same is true, the truck will tow 12,000lbs down the road running 4psi boost at 1,600rpm doing 60mph. Doing so will net you about 16mpg give or take.
Even with that, your mpg differs on the weight of the objects you are towing. For example i towed a 16,500lbs 5th wheel trailer down to Florida from new jersey and averages about 15.5ish doing a consistent 58mph. That thing was an air dam i'll tell ya, triple axle the tung weight alone was ~5,500lbs in the truck bed. (made my truck sit level for once, the springs on my truck are designed to carry weight, and so the back is about 3.5 inches higher then the front)

The turbo's bypass valve either opens or closes to control the boost, the more boost the worse your fuel economy. Hard starting also requires massive boost(12-15lbs) or high rpm, usually 2,100rpm is the best of both worlds. Doing hard starts are only necessary when towing a heavy load.

Normally you don't hear the turbo's whine (unlike Fords, or Chevys) during any travel movement, unless there is a load under the engine. And even then its not noticeable. the AirFilter mod i did really opens up the truck. I like the whine of the turbo when going down the highway, that and the massive CFM of the airfilter allows the engine to breath better.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah I was following a F-350 TD down the freeway earlier today and was maybe 4 car lengths back and I could hear the whistling from there, was kind of shocked as I was behind him. Thats some nice rpms though for towing, doesn't sound like weight stresses it too much.

Thats how I got my killer mpg on the way back home with my car, 70mph is 1,750 rpms real easy on gas lugging around like that. But I know what your saying about liking to hear it, I liked hearing that sound in my van (that blue one behind my car) it's a 2.5L Turbo, but such a small and low PSI turbo it just wasn't audible unless wide open. And I like hearing the SC on my GTX, but I gotta be on it for that to be putting out any boost, so I can't hear that all the time :(

[Tomcat81970]

97 Grand Prix GTP... i decided to post since we were on the topic of L67s... and yes that is wtf8269's Buick in the pics...

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/Tomcat11708/side.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/Tomcat11708/finialfront.jpg
This is with the old 3.4"...
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/Tomcat11708/enginefinished34.jpg
Im running a 3.0" pulley as of now, everything else is accurate...
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/Tomcat11708/newgtpworldsig.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

Nice GP, How does your tranny handle the 3.0"? Here's the mods I got done:

-TOGs
-TOG type DP
-SLP Catback
-S1X cam
-Fenderwell CAI
-GMPP Hanlding Kit
-KYB AGX adjustable struts
-L32 Swap + Gen V w/41k
-MSD Wires
-42.5# Injectors
-DHP PCM (got a spare comp I need to get a real tune for then selling this)
-Boost,Oil,Amps Gauges + Aeroforce Gauge
-Thrasher shift kit
-F1 Hood
-Blacked out Tails

Think theres a few things I'm missing, but it whoops my friends LT1 Camaro and I don't even have a smaller pulley on it yet. Got a 3.5" thats going on soon. Just deciding if next tax season to get a SS IC and a smaller pulley, don't want to gib my tranny and that would most likely put me high 12's on street tires.

[wtf8269]

My mods as of right now:
GO: ZZP 3.4"|DIY FWI|ZZP 3" DP|Magnaflow duals|Tune|180º|AL104s STOP: F-Bodies|ZZP SS Lines|Centric Premiums TURN: AGXs|Vogtlands|GMPP Sways/STBs|Moog sway end links|BMR Lateral & Trailing Arms|WBS Performance Control Arms SHOW: Yoko paint, black bottom|Debadged|Yoko tails|Black Konig Villains|Custom Grille|Tinted Headlights/Fogs|6000K HIDs

Decided to stay supercharged instead of going turbo, because I can afford SC mods now as opposed to later and I'm impatient lol. I've got a Racetronix fuel pump and ZZP headers to go on in the next couple weeks. Probably an XP or S1X later this summer. I have a LS1 TB that I got for dirt, but I don't think I'll be keeping it unless they make GenV adapters (I've only been able to find GenIII adapters).

[pepsi71ocean]

Yeah I was following a F-350 TD down the freeway earlier today and was maybe 4 car lengths back and I could hear the whistling from there, was kind of shocked as I was behind him. Thats some nice rpms though for towing, doesn't sound like weight stresses it too much.

Thats how I got my killer mpg on the way back home with my car, 70mph is 1,750 rpms real easy on gas lugging around like that. But I know what your saying about liking to hear it, I liked hearing that sound in my van (that blue one behind my car) it's a 2.5L Turbo, but such a small and low PSI turbo it just wasn't audible unless wide open. And I like hearing the SC on my GTX, but I gotta be on it for that to be putting out any boost, so I can't hear that all the time :(

Thats because its a Cummins. The Cummins has a flat torque curve starting around 1,500rpm. So your in the best of both worlds, the engines love to cruise around 1,500-1,700rpm. and will do it all day long towing anything.

[Tomcat81970]

My tranny is surviving for now... ive heard from some of the other guys it should be fine as long as its not abused to often and no hard launches... i cant resist punching it sometimes, but i rarely floor it... it has HORRIBLE exhaust leaks i need to fix... damn thing sounds like a tank... but whats really awesome is the supercharger wine... it changes drastically with pulley drops, much higher pitched and louder...

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah I can't wait to get a pulley swap, even the 3.5" should be very nice as I have far more than the supporting mods for it. Like I said next year need SS IC, will prob look for one used and go to a 3.2" as I have a Gen V. Then thats about as far as I will go on the poor stock trans.

[frankie827]

i drive a 2000 mercedes benz clk 430. i'm a huge mercedes benz fan. i'm saving up for a used w209 clk 55 amg. that or i may just put a supercharger into the car. unfortunately, parts for benzes are much more expensive than parts for domestic or asian cars.

[1Kurgan1]

Nice Mercedes, I really like how the mid sized Mercedes cars look.

[pepsi71ocean]

My tranny is surviving for now... ive heard from some of the other guys it should be fine as long as its not abused to often and no hard launches... i cant resist punching it sometimes, but i rarely floor it... it has HORRIBLE exhaust leaks i need to fix... damn thing sounds like a tank... but whats really awesome is the supercharger wine... it changes drastically with pulley drops, much higher pitched and louder...

that is why god invented Coffee cans, lol. have done that before a few times on an exhaust system, lol

[frankie827]

Nice Mercedes, I really like how the mid sized Mercedes cars look.

i love 'em :)

[Papahyooie]

200? Honda CR-V
WOULD drive a 1975 Plymouth duster if I hadnt blown the engine... that'll be remedied soon as i stop spending money on computers and bikes.

2007 Suzuki gsxr-600 with powercommander IIIUSB, micron intake/exhaust, carbon fiber accessories.

Pics when I get home

[1Kurgan1]

Gixxer, I'm jealous, I would really like a 750.

[Papahyooie]

I was going to get a 750, but the bastards wouldnt finance me for that much... stupid credit. Not that I have bad credit, just too young, so not "enough" credit... you'd think having bought another bike before and paid it off early would convince them, but noooo... oh well lol. They say the 600 beats the 750 off the line anyway. Dunno, never raced one myself. Blows away the yzf's tho. Forgot the pics... tomorrow.

[1Kurgan1]

600 might take the 1000 off the line, but the 750 isn't too much heavier than a 600. Either way launching a crotch rocket takes perfection so anything can beat anything off the line if one person is just slightly off.

But about the credit, paying off loans earlier isn't something they like, you would actually look better to them paying it off on time. They hate it when they can't collect their interest. You should toss up some pics of the bike though and the duster.

[ASCStinger]

looking into buying a 98 transam with 58k on the clock

found the gtp has a leaky master cylinder when I replaced my driver's front hub this afternoon, which also means the booster is on its way out. also the driver's tie rod end is frozen right up. along with the combination of quite a few other problems I've known it to have, I'm thinking it may be time to sell it to someone who has a lot more time for TLC than me.

[Papahyooie]

600 might take the 1000 off the line, but the 750 isn't too much heavier than a 600. Either way launching a crotch rocket takes perfection so anything can beat anything off the line if one person is just slightly off.

But about the credit, paying off loans earlier isn't something they like, you would actually look better to them paying it off on time. They hate it when they can't collect their interest. You should toss up some pics of the bike though and the duster.

Yea I know, but i only paid it off like 5 months early, and it was financed for two and a half years. And meh the 750 is quite a bit heavier than the 600, as far as i know they are on the 1000's frame, or at least thats how it used to be. Not really sure about 05 and above, so i could be wrong. Im sure they're probably real close now that they've leaned them up a little bit. Sad when Im too lazy to google it... Oh well. I'll get pics up today.

[1Kurgan1]

looking into buying a 98 transam with 58k on the clock

found the gtp has a leaky master cylinder when I replaced my driver's front hub this afternoon, which also means the booster is on its way out. also the driver's tie rod end is frozen right up. along with the combination of quite a few other problems I've known it to have, I'm thinking it may be time to sell it to someone who has a lot more time for TLC than me.

LS1 is goodness, especially if it's an M6. Sorry to hear about the GTP though.

Yea I know, but i only paid it off like 5 months early, and it was financed for two and a half years. And meh the 750 is quite a bit heavier than the 600, as far as i know they are on the 1000's frame, or at least thats how it used to be. Not really sure about 05 and above, so i could be wrong. Im sure they're probably real close now that they've leaned them up a little bit. Sad when Im too lazy to google it... Oh well. I'll get pics up today.

Actually the 750's are pretty much a 600 frame with a 750 motor, always have been. Thats why they were so competitive. A few years back Motorcycle mag. ran a track test with all the crotch rockets for 600 - 1000's. The 2nd fastest around the track was a GSXR 1000 and the first was a GSXR 750!

From what I'm finding Dry weight the 08 600cc is 363lbs and the 08 750 is only 368lbs. But either way that 600 is a screamer.

[cdawall]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090608/0522091653.jpg

my current car only mods done to it is the intake.

looking at getting these rims on it

http://www.1010tires.com/images/wheels/super/DC5_BLACK_RED_lg_super.jpg

thinking an 18x8 would work very nicely on this car.


not bad overall only complaint i have on it is the gov'r locks me out over 108MPH which the little 4SPD auto does@~5000RPM in 3RD :(

it replaced a '90 civic LX 4DR sedan with a rebuilt B16 in it that topped 140MPH drafting on the freeway.




oh and for the truck thing family hauler 1999 suburban with a 350 vortec and 4L60 rebuilt to 4L80 specs beats you all :p

[1Kurgan1]

You should keep that as a daily commuter, save that money and buy a nice project car. I wish I had a DD, because now I have to drive my GTX in the snow :(

[Papahyooie]

Yea DD's are good things to have. Like this one time I didnt have a DD, and I had to ride my bicycle for 6 months...

Ok so thats a different kind of DD, but w/e lol.

[1Kurgan1]

Yea DD's are good things to have. Like this one time I didnt have a DD, and I had to ride my bicycle for 6 months...

Ok so thats a different kind of DD, but w/e lol.

Thats what happens when you use your fast car as a DD then it breaks, I'm just hoping this doesn't happen to me before next tax season.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

chickens

[1Kurgan1]

_FBi;4879']chickens

You might want to post more than that, doesn't really tell us too much.

[Wile E]

You might want to post more than that, doesn't really tell us too much.

Supercharged chickens with custom suspension and alignment?

[1Kurgan1]

Supercharged chickens with custom suspension and alignment?

Thats a fast chicken :eek: Speaking of SC i wish i wasnt so poor need my smaller pulley on my car :/ But want to paint the front bumped that bastards messed up and were nice enough to drive off, on 3 diff occasions now :/

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i kid, i drive this, g/f's car

http://www.suzuki-alto.info/gallery/photos/2001/suzuki-alto-photo-large.jpg

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

wish it were

http://tokunaka.hp.infoseek.co.jp/bjha22s.JPG

[From_Nowhere]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090612/hrecon.jpg

Honda Recon.

[Kreij]

Nice FN,

http://img.techpowerup.org/090623/Kawasaki_Prairie_700_4x4_Green.jpg

My Kawasaki 700 is my second vehicle. lol
Just bought my wife a Kawasaki 360 4x4.

[DaveK]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/davidkinsella/Image2604.jpg

Man power woo :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/davidkinsella/Image2842.jpg
Caliper/V-Brakes SUCK, absolutely useless when wet, they wear the rim and when going downhill and holding the brake lightly it heats up the tire and can cause it to blow, I'm trying to see if I can get a rear disc fitted.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/davidkinsella/Image2843.jpg

Will be doing some light mountain biking on Sunday :D

[WhiteLotus]

S Reg Peugeot 206 80K on the clock

[A Cheese Danish]

I just bumped my 2000 Ford Taurus up to 221,700 miles the other day.
My goal is to atleast get to 300K before something explodes.

[1Kurgan1]

I just bumped my 2000 Ford Taurus up to 221,700 miles the other day.
My goal is to atleast get to 300K before something explodes.

I'm impressed, those trannys are garbage.

[CanonGlass3]

Well In My Dreams I Drive a
2010 Mercedes-Benz E-550
http://www.generalnonsense.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=48&stc=1&d=1247974786
Base - $56,300 then $25,212 in Accessories and Upgrades + $875 Transportation Charge. Total
$82,387

:D

[1Kurgan1]

And what do you drive when you aren't sleeping? lol

[Steevo]

Wife drives a 07 Highlander 4WD sport, I drive a Olds Achieva with porting and a better exhaust for a everyday, fun car is a 94Celica with too many mods to list, and I get in trouble if i drive my 85 C-10 chevy 400 Small Block with mods, plus the tires are bald again and I replaced them just a couple years ago and haven't even put 5000 miles on it.

[CanonGlass3]

And what do you drive when you aren't sleeping? lol

:rolleyes:1990 GMC Safari
http://www.kuruma4u.com/items/188.jpg
in a Blue fade to dark blue paint job >_>
or drive my parents cars >_>
http://www.motorsportscenter.com/uploads/yellowminicooperdriving.jpg2002 mini cooper

http://www.valiantautos.com/inventory/Honda/Pilot/2003_SLV_509344/images/5.jpg
2003 Honda Pilot EX

Images Brought to you by Bing Decision Engine (http://www.bing.com)

[Wile E]

Wife drives a 07 Highlander 4WD sport, I drive a Olds Achieva with porting and a better exhaust for a everyday, fun car is a 94Celica with too many mods to list, and I get in trouble if i drive my 85 C-10 chevy 400 Small Block with mods, plus the tires are bald again and I replaced them just a couple years ago and haven't even put 5000 miles on it.

Lots of power and being a giant fuckin idiot kid while in a vehicle both tend to do that to tires. I should know, I suffer from the same tire wear issues. lol.

[Papahyooie]

Woohoo so my "what do i drive" profile has changed again! My little bro finally got his driver's license (at 17...) so I had to give my parents back thier 2000 Honda CR-V and buy my own car. SO I bought... *drumroll*........ a 98 FORD ESCORT 4 DOOR!!! :o

If I had figured on having to buy a car this soon, I would have waited on buying the bike, cause I would rather not waste money on a car I can afford at the moment, while still paying my bike payements. Its a good car, defininitely not falling apart... but yea...

Now you know why I dont race, Wile E :p

Its ok, my gixxer will still outrun all your puny cars, Muahaha! :mad:

EDIT: ok just for kicks i googled it... they actually make body kits for 4 door escorts!:eek: Now that would be funny...

[Wile E]

lol.

You could always swap the engine and trans for the Zetec motor, using ZX2 mounts, and build it. A turbo on a stock Zetec can net you around 225 to the wheels. :D

[Papahyooie]

Actually i was looking around at the zx2's and people said they were pretty quick for what they were. The car only has 100k on the odo, but i will probably double that within the next year... any idea how long these things last? Hell, if it dies, I might just do that. By that time I'll have spent all my money on my duster though.

[1Kurgan1]

By quick they might mean faster than your average Escort, they are high 15's/low 16's cars. Nothing really too crazy, a friend had one, I wasn't too impressed with it. Escorts seem to be a crap shoot though, the motors do actually seem reliable for the most part as do the trannys as they are just to weak to break anything, so your probably good.

[Wile E]

Yeah. Escorts seem to hold up well, in my experience.

[Papahyooie]

Well, 16 is still pretty quick for an economy car. Not that a 4 door would likely make the same with an engine transplant. And not that the car would be really worth it unless the engine did die soon, but it runs great so im not too worried about it.

[1Kurgan1]

Well, 16 is still pretty quick for an economy car. Not that a 4 door would likely make the same with an engine transplant. And not that the car would be really worth it unless the engine did die soon, but it runs great so im not too worried about it.

Eh not really, my 91 Accord 5 speed wouldn't have been too far off, and any Ecotec cheapo cavy will prob beat a ZX2 a 16 is going to be like a 85mph trap, I could do that on a pedal bike :p

[thatguy16]

I think i have posted this on every forum im on today. Anyway... here it is, finally got some nice pictures of it.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/Coreyhm1/DSCF45272.jpg

[JC316]

NICE! A fellow mustang owner. I drive a 1996 Mustang GTS. The GTS is a rare, stripped down version of the GT. Only 5479 of them made in 1996.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/SDC13336.jpg

[Wile E]

I think i have posted this on every forum im on today. Anyway... here it is, finally got some nice pictures of it.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/Coreyhm1/DSCF45272.jpg

V6 with the Cobra-R wheels? Really like the shot, btw.

NICE! A fellow mustang owner. I drive a 1996 Mustang GTS. The GTS is a rare, stripped down version of the GT. Only 5479 of them made in 1996.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/SDC13336.jpg

I didn't realize you had a GTS, JC. That was a nice find. Still too damn bad the color is such a PITA tho. lol.

[thatguy16]

NICE! A fellow mustang owner. I drive a 1996 Mustang GTS. The GTS is a rare, stripped down version of the GT. Only 5479 of them made in 1996.

Nice! A friend of mine has a white GTS :)
V6 with the Cobra-R wheels? Really like the shot, btw.



I didn't realize you had a GTS, JC. That was a nice find. Still too damn bad the color is such a PITA tho. lol.

Yea, its just a V6.

It has 03/04 polished cobra wheels, true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers, and cold air intake. nothing special. The rest of the mods are to make it look good. This car was just ugly stock lol.

[Wile E]

Nice! A friend of mine has a white GTS :)


Yea, its just a V6.

It has 03/04 polished cobra wheels, true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers, and cold air intake. nothing special. The rest of the mods are to make it look good. This car was just ugly stock lol.

Hey, gotta start somewhere. Now grab an 8.8" rear (did the 2000+ v6 cars still come with the 7.5", or did they actually get the 8.8" as well? Can't remember.), and do a 4.6 swap. :D

[JC316]

V6 with the Cobra-R wheels? Really like the shot, btw.



I didn't realize you had a GTS, JC. That was a nice find. Still too damn bad the color is such a PITA tho. lol.

I didn't either till two days ago, but I have confirmed it by the body code, the manual drivers seat, the lack of fog lamps, ABS, cruise, and a spoiler. Agreed on the color, that laser red is such a BITCH to match.

[thatguy16]

Hey, gotta start somewhere. Now grab an 8.8" rear (did the 2000+ v6 cars still come with the 7.5", or did they actually get the 8.8" as well? Can't remember.), and do a 4.6 swap. :D
mines actually a 1999, so 99-04 did come with the 7.5. And as soon as i get a job, im going to get a newer GT, or 94-01 cobra. This will remain the DD. I just finished getting a new clutch put in it. But when the motor goes, ill keep it for a project car, no doubt.
I didn't either till two days ago, but I have confirmed it by the body code, the manual drivers seat, the lack of fog lamps, ABS, cruise, and a spoiler. Agreed on the color, that laser red is such a BITCH to match.

sounds like my rio red. Theres only been one shop to get it right, it took him re-painting it three times to get it matched. I still have to take it back to the last body shop that done a repair, my passenger side front fender has a orangeish color to it. Its suppose to have a lifetime warranty, so they are fixing it. :D

heres one more i got, oh yeah mines factory spoilerless too.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/Coreyhm1/DSCF4538.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

Could look for an M90 and toss that on there also.

[Wile E]

Could look for an M90 and toss that on there also.

With the 3.8, I'd rather have a centrifugal supercharger. They can use the top end.

[thatguy16]

Could look for an M90 and toss that on there also.

The m90 is best for the pre 99 V6s (94-98 singleport V6's). For what i would have to do in order to put a M90 on my car, the M90 would only compensate for the loss of power. i would have to convert my motor to a singleport with a loss of ~50hp, and the M90 would gain maybe that 50-75hp back.

The only way for me to S/C would be a Eaton M112 kit, or something like a pro charger ect.. Which would get me in the 300rwhp range.

[Wile E]

The m90 is best for the pre 99 V6s (94-98 singleport V6's). For what i would have to do in order to put a M90 on my car, the M90 would only compensate for the loss of power. i would have to convert my motor to a singleport with a loss of ~50hp, and the M90 would gain maybe that 50-75hp back.

The only way for me to S/C would be a Eaton M112 kit, or something like a pro charger ect.. Which would get me in the 300rwhp range.

Twin turbo 4.2L stroker build. :D

[thatguy16]

Twin turbo 4.2L stroker build. :D

Sounds good to me! :D:D

now... if i can just get a hold of some rich persons credit card...

[Wile E]

Sounds good to me! :D:D

now... if i can just get a hold of some rich persons credit card...

Well then, might as well throw in a Kenny Brown built IRS and a T-56 to round out the package. lol.

[btarunr]

Suzuki SX4 VXi 1.6 L petrol (2008).

[Wile E]

Suzuki SX4 VXi 1.6 L petrol (2008).

Nice little cars. Desperately need more power tho. lol.

[btarunr]

There's nothing you can do with > 1.4 L on Indian roads and traffic lol (for sedans that is). Most sedans settle around the 1.5L mark.

[Craigleberry]

1994 EF Ford Fairmont :)

[1Kurgan1]

The m90 is best for the pre 99 V6s (94-98 singleport V6's). For what i would have to do in order to put a M90 on my car, the M90 would only compensate for the loss of power. i would have to convert my motor to a singleport with a loss of ~50hp, and the M90 would gain maybe that 50-75hp back.

The only way for me to S/C would be a Eaton M112 kit, or something like a pro charger ect.. Which would get me in the 300rwhp range.

To run the M112 your going to need an adapter plate anyways, could make on for the M90 instead of going to single port, then grab an Gen V M90, would take some fabbing, and the M112 will net more power, but the M90 route saves a lot of money if you can fab an adapter up. I believe Gen V M90's go from $300 - $500 used.

With the 3.8, I'd rather have a centrifugal supercharger. They can use the top end.

Right, but I meant it more as a homemade, save money project since M90's can be JY'd pretty easily.

[Wile E]

To run the M112 your going to need an adapter plate anyways, could make on for the M90 instead of going to single port, then grab an Gen V M90, would take some fabbing, and the M112 will net more power, but the M90 route saves a lot of money if you can fab an adapter up. I believe Gen V M90's go from $300 - $500 used.



Right, but I meant it more as a homemade, save money project since M90's can be JY'd pretty easily.

Oh, if you're talking JY projects, twin turbo is the way to go. There are countless good turbos in the yards waiting for a good home. A couple of T3's out of TBird Turbo coupes, or a couple a 16G's out of DSM's, or something along those lines. Would put out way more power than the eaton blowers, and spool almost instantly.

[1Kurgan1]

Oh, if you're talking JY projects, twin turbo is the way to go. There are countless good turbos in the yards waiting for a good home. A couple of T3's out of TBird Turbo coupes, or a couple a 16G's out of DSM's, or something along those lines. Would put out way more power than the eaton blowers, and spool almost instantly.

Yeah, those would work probably better, but would require 2 turbos for almost any JY'd turbo setup, and pipe bending plus making a working twin turbo setup is a bit more complicated than a single. But yeah that would work to, cheap speed, it's where its at.

[FreedomEclipse]

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1162397/2/istockphoto_1162397_empty_shopping_trolley.jpg

shes a real beauty, nice shiny metalic finish with red spoiler. 0-60 in about 3.2 seconds going down a steep hill. no muscle car even comes close to what my baby can do.

though....we do have a very very minor issue reguarding steering

[1Kurgan1]

Wooden handles on a full metal cart, you crazy brits.

[FreedomEclipse]

Wooden handles on a full metal cart, you crazy brits.

its red plastic actually..... unless you come from a place that has no supermarkets

[Steevo]

1994 EF Ford Fairmont :)

My first car was a firemont, station wagon, shit brown brushed on primer, blue cracked out vinyl interior. It overheated constantly and even when not overheating would spark knock like a bitch on 91 octane.

[1Kurgan1]

its red plastic actually..... unless you come from a place that has no supermarkets

Looks brown on my screen, and I'm an assistant overnight manager at a grocery store, lol

My first car was a firemont, station wagon, shit brown brushed on primer, blue cracked out vinyl interior. It overheated constantly and even when not overheating would spark knock like a bitch on 91 octane.

I'm assuming that motor didn't last very long.

[Steevo]

Not really. I killed it and bought my truck. It died harder a short while after as my dad still insisted it was "OK" and he drove it around for awhile.

[Solaris17]

1988 Mazda RX-7 drop top 5spd with short shift

quick pic

http://img.techpowerup.org/090802/IMG_0092.jpg

lol crookid pic damn phone

http://img.techpowerup.org/090802/IMG_0093.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

That needs a LS motor, would turn it into a pretzel though I bet.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i wants

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Evolution_IV_%28CN9A%29_-_White.jpg

or


http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo23/zee20/073.jpg

black one

[MRCL]

This is what I have driven for almost two years...

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/9171/picture00016ue4.jpg

A 98 Opel Corsa B GSi, 106hp punishing 1085 kilogram. Its a nice car, lil rocket. But... Tomorrow will be his last day on the roads, because I just bought a Scooby today:

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3109/4501/32772250001_large.jpg

Not the actual car, I can pick up mine tomorrow. A 99 Subaru Impreza 2.0 Turbo WRX, HURR!

[1Kurgan1]

Nice buy on the subie, hopefully it's not as riced, should be afun car no matter what the weather is.

[MRCL]

Nice buy on the subie, hopefully it's not as riced, should be afun car no matter what the weather is.

Its a rice racer alright, its a bit tuned from the garage I bought it from. However it does look mature, the chassis does not grind on the streets, it doesn't have 30" bling bling rims... it looks like what it is; a ralley car.
I can go pick it up in eleven hours :)

[Ashe]

I drive a 2002 Nissan Maxima 6 cylinder. Its the mom mobile with a good engine. lol.

We're hoping to restore an old 1953 coup with our income tax returns this year. It's been a dream hobby for a while now.

[MRCL]

My new car since one hour! :):):)
To quote the power glove kid: Its so bad!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0309 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0310 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0311 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0312 - Copy.jpg

[erocker]

Looking for a new (used) car. I'm thinking 99-04 Subaru or I'll be dumb and get something classic that's going to need to be worked on all the time. No more Jeeps for me.

[pbmaster]

1994 Mazda B4000 4x4 LE pickup truck. Great truck really, power everything, and it all works! Had to get the radio and speakers replaced though. Passenger window gets stuck sometimes though :-/

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m233/pbmaster_2006/100_1541.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m233/pbmaster_2006/100_1542.jpg

[FordGT90Concept]

I drive a lemon:
http://img.techpowerup.org/090827/lemoncar.jpg

[UrbKlr]

I drive a 93 Z24. Bought it for $450 CDN as an auto. I 5 speed swapped it and painted it. This is the reason I have neglected my computer for 4 months until now :p. It is freaking fast thou. Rim's and 3400 swap are next on my list ;)

My car on V6Z24 (http://www.v6z24.com/registry/urbklr/)

[erocker]

I'm getting the urge to go out and get a 2010 Mustang GT now. I drove one today and it was impressive. It felt like I was driving something German with grunt.

[SK-1]

I'm getting the urge to go out and get a 2010 Mustang GT now. I drove one today and it was impressive. It felt like I was driving something German with grunt.

The new suspension really helps the new GT.The suspension is revamped with stiffer springs, larger anti-roll bars, better tires and AdvanceTrac Electronic Stability Control, which is now standard on all levels.:)

Interior is also much more refined now.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Still not exactly got that German feel.

While it may be much grippier, the way bumps are transferred to the cabin aren't quite Deutsch ;)

That being said, I'd 'stang up again before every buying ANY asian car that isn't a Subaru, Mitsu or Mazda.

[Wile E]

The new suspension really helps the new GT.The suspension is revamped with stiffer springs, larger anti-roll bars, better tires and AdvanceTrac Electronic Stability Control, which is now standard on all levels.:)

Interior is also much more refined now.

Bah, I don't want stability control standard. I hate that crap.

[Solaris17]

My new car since one hour! :):):)
To quote the power glove kid: Its so bad!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0309 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0310 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0311 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0312 - Copy.jpg

is it a standard?

[MRCL]

is it a standard?

Its a 99 Subaru Impreza 2.0 GT. They have 220hp at stock, mines around 250. Its lowered around 30mm, I don't have the exact numbers in mind. The rest is pretty much standard. I plan on installing a new sound system tho, the stock one is unbearable.

[JC316]

Its a 99 Subaru Impreza 2.0 GT. They have 220hp at stock, mines around 250. Its lowered around 30mm, I don't have the exact numbers in mind. The rest is pretty much standard. I plan on installing a new sound system tho, the stock one is unbearable.

No, he is asking if it's a stick shift, or an automatic transmission. A manual here is called a standard.

[MRCL]

No, he is asking if it's a stick shift, or an automatic transmission. A manual here is called a standard.

Lol. Okay, didn't know that. Yes, its standard, a car like this with automatic transmission? Where would the fun be in that?;)

[1Kurgan1]

Its a 99 Subaru Impreza 2.0 GT. They have 220hp at stock, mines around 250. Its lowered around 30mm, I don't have the exact numbers in mind. The rest is pretty much standard. I plan on installing a new sound system tho, the stock one is unbearable.

Nice new wheels, if you remove the white decals will look very nice, glad to see there isn't a massive fart cannon on the back. You should have a lot of fun in that, looks to be in fantastic shape for a 10 year old car.

[Wile E]

Nice new wheels, if you remove the white decals will look very nice, glad to see there isn't a massive fart cannon on the back. You should have a lot of fun in that, looks to be in fantastic shape for a 10 year old car.

I agree. The stickers need to go. Pure rice. Other than that, it's a very sharp car.

[MRCL]

Nice new wheels, if you remove the white decals will look very nice, glad to see there isn't a massive fart cannon on the back. You should have a lot of fun in that, looks to be in fantastic shape for a 10 year old car.

It is in fantastic shape. And it sounds great even with this "tiny" exhaust.

I agree. The stickers need to go. Pure rice. Other than that, it's a very sharp car.

Thank you (both lol). Actually I like the stickers. But I'm thinking about recoloring it (my friend is a professional car painter) maybe in dark red or a darker blue. Until then, the stickers stay. However when people refer to my car as a race car (because of the race flag decal and the wing), I always tell them its not. Its a rally car :P

[Laurijan]

My ride lol

http://img.techpowerup.org/090906/HPIM2026.jpg

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

where is the engine?

[El Fiendo]

Just drove an '07 Trailblazer with a Corvette V8 under the hood. I decided to take it out on the freeway. Several things then proceeded to happen.

First, hoards of ladies were quoted as saying 'Mmmm moist' in reaction to my passing. Second various cars spontaneously burst into flames from the sound of the engine, and third, I made the Kessel Run in 11.5 parsecs.

This thing was some serious hot shit. I think I'm going to be buying her to replace my '97 Ford Explorer when the lease is up in 2 years.

[1Kurgan1]

You mean a Trailblazer SS, or a norm Trailblazer with a swapped in Vette motor?

[El Fiendo]

Trailblazer SS.

It's a pretty sexy beast I must say. Oh, and as a note the lease is on the SS and will be up in 2 years. That doesn't read too good in my previous post.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah those are pretty sweet SUV's, The LS2 really makes them move out.

[El Fiendo]

Agree wholeheartedly. The awesome thing is, for being such a sporty and zippy little beast, its still got air ride shocks and the ability to tow 6600 pounds, 500 short of my dad's '07 Ford F150. I'm in love, which sucks because it ain't mine.

[pepsi71ocean]

Since i was posting in another thread i figure ide post a picture of my baby.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4889/65311109039654925982154.jpg

That is roughly 6,600lbs of flagstone in the pickup's bed. I took the load home from West Va and averaged 16 through the mountains:), and 16.8:D through south Jersey.

[MRCL]

Since i was posting in another thread i figure ide post a picture of my baby.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4889/65311109039654925982154.jpg

That is roughly 6,600lbs of flagstone in the pickup's bed. I took the load home from West Va and averaged 16 through the mountains:), and 16.8:D through south Jersey.

If you were to drive such a (very nice) vehicle here in Switzerland, you'd immediately have witty environmentalists chasing you in their Hybrids accusing you and you alone guilty of destroying the earth and penguins. The good thing however, you can simply roll them over.

[1Kurgan1]

I havent got any pictures of my car I was too happy with, and today I looked outside and the lighting seemed almost perfect. So finally got a pic that I am happy with.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/2286600/img/My-Car/GP-GTX-Good-Lighting.jpg

[paulieg]

I'm driving a 2007 Nissan Frontier Nismo 4x4 crew cab. I love my truck. What I don't love is the $600 I had to drop on new tires.

[erocker]

Just bought this:

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/D50056A.jpg

2005 Mazda6. It's loaded, leather, low miles, moonroof, V6, 5Spd stick, heated seats, I've been holding out trying to find this card and I finally found it.. at a good price too. :D

[Solaris17]

Lol. Okay, didn't know that. Yes, its standard, a car like this with automatic transmission? Where would the fun be in that?;)

EXACTLY! it would be a real downer if it was an automatic

and thanks JC

[JC316]

NP Solaris.

Damn those GTX's are so nasty looking, I love how your car looks Kurgan. That thing would have been awesome with an LS1 and a rear drive platform.

[1Kurgan1]

I'm driving a 2007 Nissan Frontier Nismo 4x4 crew cab. I love my truck. What I don't love is the $600 I had to drop on new tires.

Just bought this:

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/D50056A.jpg

2005 Mazda6. It's loaded, leather, low miles, moonroof, V6, 5Spd stick, heated seats, I've been holding out trying to find this card and I finally found it.. at a good price too. :D

Nice pickup, I always liked the Mazda 6's, nice family sedan with a bit of get up and go with 4 doors, good mix of everything.

NP Solaris.

Damn those GTX's are so nasty looking, I love how your car looks Kurgan. That thing would have been awesome with an LS1 and a rear drive platform.

Yeah I really love the look of the thing, thats not the factory hood, but looking at it with that hood on there it looks way to close to an 05 GTO, I actually like it better, too bad it wasn't LSx powered and RWD.

[matthewbroad]

My new car since one hour! :):):)
To quote the power glove kid: Its so bad!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0309 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0310 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0311 - Copy.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090826/Foto0312 - Copy.jpg

I love you:) One of my fav cars

[1Kurgan1]

Got another good pic today coming out the car wash, still wet because apparently they don't invest in good dryers :/

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/2296457/800/My-Car/99-GP-GTX-Carwash.jpg

[erocker]

Took some pics of my new car.
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/DSCN1660.jpg http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/DSCN1659.jpg http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/DSCN1658.jpg http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/DSCN1657.jpg http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/DSCN1656.jpg

[MRCL]

Hooray for four-door sportscars!

[jmcslob]

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/2620256023_5af5f9dc55.jpg
I only owed $23,000 of a $126,000 loan Before the Economy went to shit, I was able to sell it for $56,000 ($33,000) I only had it for 18 months..Now all I have is a 2008 Chevy cobalt:(
This pic was on I-80 Near Toledo Ohio after completely Splatting a rather large deer

[Cuzza]

hey erocker, how is the gearbox on the mazda? I drove one of those once but it was an automatic with tiptronic shift which was slow and shit.

[Cuzza]

btw here's my honda

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/SV402757.jpg

[mlee49]

My Honda :)

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/Front pasenger.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/front drivers.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/rear pasenger.jpg

[UrbKlr]

Finally finished up getting the z looking nice! Now, on too the 3400 swap!:D

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/10432_179943839304_730704304_3709325_1138966_n.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/10432_179943769304_730704304_3709321_4443529_n.jpg

[Wile E]

Finally finished up getting the z looking nice! Now, on too the 3400 swap!:D

http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/10432_179943839304_730704304_3709325_1138966_n.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/091013/10432_179943769304_730704304_3709321_4443529_n.jpg

Don't waste your time with such a small upgrade. Grab a 3800 SC'd and throw it in there. :D

[UrbKlr]

Don't waste your time with such a small upgrade. Grab a 3800 SC'd and throw it in there. :D

3400 is a much simpler swap and the 3800 is a useless boat anchor in these cars. 3400 cammed, with LS6 valve springs and 14PSI boost is what I'm aiming for :D

Also going from 130WHP to 190WHP isn't a small upgrade for the small amount of work needed for the swap(r)

[1Kurgan1]

The difference in weight is minimal between a 3400 and 3800 as far as I know, maybe 40lbs. Once you start putting down some serious power in a front wheel drive you can throw handling out the windows anyways. The 3800 will make you more power, easier, with a better aftermarket. If your really worried about weight grab a ecotech and push some air through it.

[Cuzza]

My Honda :)


I used to work for honda and I spent a lot of time around that model accord. The V6 sounds fantastic if you take the exhaust off!

[UrbKlr]

The difference in weight is minimal between a 3400 and 3800 as far as I know, maybe 40lbs. Once you start putting down some serious power in a front wheel drive you can throw handling out the windows anyways. The 3800 will make you more power, easier, with a better aftermarket. If your really worried about weight grab a ecotech and push some air through it.

The 3800 swap isn't easier, and requires alot more work. It is a 90 Degree V6 whereas the 3400 is a 60 Degree. I was planning to 3800 swap it but the cost and work threw me away from it. My plans right now are to mild build a 3400 then turn it into a 3400/3500 hybrid and blow it. An ecotech would require a massive amount of work and wiring, plus I want the V6 sound and torque, so I'll pass on that.

[1Kurgan1]

The 3800 swap isn't easier, and requires alot more work. It is a 90 Degree V6 whereas the 3400 is a 60 Degree. I was planning to 3800 swap it but the cost and work threw me away from it. My plans right now are to mild build a 3400 then turn it into a 3400/3500 hybrid and blow it. An ecotech would require a massive amount of work and wiring, plus I want the V6 sound and torque, so I'll pass on that.

I didn't say it was easier :p The 3400 plan sounds solid, just wont be as much power in that path or as much easy power.

[UrbKlr]

The 3800 will make you more power, easier

I misread that then:o. Starting to think a full 3500 swap, but really don't want to mess with wiring and the computer for 20HP more...

Edit: One big thing is I don't have much time off to work on the car, and don't want to pay somebody to do it. I can swap a 3400 in about a day or two.

[1Kurgan1]

I still say really think about the 3800 swap. Thats a massively popular Fiero swap and they got less room to work with than your car. Those Fiero sites would be the best place to go fro on swap info, it might not be as bad as you think. A lot of the Fiero guys swap in the 3800, toss on a turbo, and some injectors, set it up for 15psi and hit 12's on street tires and high 11's on slicks, seen one guy running that exact setup and trapping 119 in the 1/4, cheap easy power, he said he had about $1600 invested only.

[Wile E]

Yeah, the initial swap may be harder, but the 3800 is a much more robust engine, capable of much more HP.

And if you just going to leave the 3400 with a stock bottom end, you might as well not even swap engines, and just put FI on your 3100.

[UrbKlr]

Yeah, the initial swap may be harder, but the 3800 is a much more robust engine, capable of much more HP.

And if you just going to leave the 3400 with a stock bottom end, you might as well not even swap engines, and just put FI on your 3100.

It's a 3.1L MPFI, not a 3100...or I would:o. I am considering the 3800, will look into it more. But as far as I know you have to mess with a lot of the wiring and much needs fabricating. I'm looking for something semi-easy on gas, quick, and reliable(With the 3800 is no doubt). All in all I would spend less on the cam'ed 3400/3500 hybrid and get just about as much power. Link me to that Fiero swap site man:D I'll do some reading.

[Steevo]

A guy on 60degreev6 has alot of useful info on these cars and HP outputs. Buy a late gen 3400 out of a wrecked car and get the brain box, have it flashed and open it up. 240 Crank HP easy.

[RevengE]

91 GTI and a 05 focus as my daily driver. the gti is put away for the winter.

[RevengE]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090608/0522091653.jpg

my current car only mods done to it is the intake.

looking at getting these rims on it

http://www.1010tires.com/images/wheels/super/DC5_BLACK_RED_lg_super.jpg

thinking an 18x8 would work very nicely on this car.


not bad overall only complaint i have on it is the gov'r locks me out over 108MPH which the little 4SPD auto does@~5000RPM in 3RD :(

it replaced a '90 civic LX 4DR sedan with a rebuilt B16 in it that topped 140MPH drafting on the freeway.




oh and for the truck thing family hauler 1999 suburban with a 350 vortec and 4L60 rebuilt to 4L80 specs beats you all :p

why in gods name would you put those wheels on that car.

[JC316]

Been a while since I posted in here. Got a few exterior upgrades and some interior upgrades, but no pics of the interior stuff yet.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/Stripes/SDC14750.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/Stripes/SDC14751.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/Stripes/SDC14741.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/Mustang%20GT/Stripes/SDC14752.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

You should pick up some Cobra R rims for that JC, that or take off those 205's :p

91 GTI and a 05 focus as my daily driver. the gti is put away for the winter.

Looks like balloons on the rims, why not go a bit wider on the tires? Nice looking VW though.

[JC316]

You should pick up some Cobra R rims for that JC, that or take off those 205's :p



Looks like balloons on the rims, why not go a bit wider on the tires? Nice looking VW though.
No cash for Cobra R's, but believe me when I say that I am trying. Rear tires are at about 40% left, so a change will be happening soon. Unless I get some cash flow, I will probably wind up putting 245/50/R16's on it. Will look a damn sight better than whats on it.

[pbmaster]

This is my main commuter when it's not so DAMN cold outside...2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250R. The red one is what I'm getting next Ninja 650R, and the Monster one, Ninja ZX14 is what I dream about lol