Large Hadron Collider sabotaged from the future

[DanTheBanjoman]

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,26229233-5014239,00.html

Science, gotta love it.

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah, he's wrong. The god particle may or may not exist but nature ain't going to reverse time to hide it from you. If he honestly believes that, then his methods for testing are wrong. ;)

[MRCL]

Go Switzerland! Next month they're gonna fire it up again eh? Haven't seen the newspapers raging about it yet.

[Frick]

Yeah, he's wrong. The god particle may or may not exist but nature ain't going to reverse time to hide it from you. If he honestly believes that, then his methods for testing are wrong. ;)

There was actually two scientists.

And because I'm tired and my mind is a bit off: What gives you the right to dismiss this? Do you have more knowledge than those two professors? Also, mind that one of them is from Japan!

http://declubz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/weird-japanese-girls.jpg

[FreedomEclipse]

SCIENTISTS claim the giant atom-smashing Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is being jinxed from the future to save the world.

http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/terminator-2-judgement-day.jpg
Give me your boots, your jacket & your motorcycle.....

[FordGT90Concept]

And because I'm tired and my mind is a bit off: What gives you the right to dismiss this? Do you have more knowledge than those two professors? Also, mind that one of them is from Japan!
What denies me the right to dismiss it? Logic > Knowledge

Simply imagine the ramifications if time travel (on any scale) were possible. In order to make it even remotely possible, they had to invent the concept of "parallel universes." If parallel universes existed, where did all the energy come from to split the existing universe? It couldn't have just "appeared" because Conservation of Energy doesn't allow it. The theory builds up to infinite amounts of energy being produced from nothing in a physical space that doesn't exist. It is like a snow ball of bad ideas rolling down a mountain getting bigger and more ludacris as time passes.

[Wile E]

What denies me the right to dismiss it? Logic > Knowledge

Simply imagine the ramifications if time travel (on any scale) were possible. In order to make it even remotely possible, they had to invent the concept of "parallel universes." If parallel universes existed, where did all the energy come from to split the existing universe? It couldn't have just "appeared" because Conservation of Energy doesn't allow it. The theory builds up to infinite amounts of energy being produced from nothing in a physical space that doesn't exist. It is like a snow ball of bad ideas rolling down a mountain getting bigger and more ludacris as time passes.

Clearly, you have never heard of the improbability drive.

[FordGT90Concept]

Every time I read "Large Hadron Collider," I find myself interpreting it as "Large Hardon Collider." Could they not have come up with a better name? That's about the greatest scientific/porno joke ever. What sick, depraved scientist came up with that? :(

[MRCL]

Every time I read "Large Hadron Collider," I find myself interpreting it as "Large Hardon Collider." Could they not have come up with a better name? That's about the greatest scientific/porno joke ever. What sick, depraved scientist came up with that? :(

YOu know there was a thread on TPU about this contraption, and because of that hardon collider reference (and some other off-topic discussions that evolved from that) things got a bit out of hand...

...so the real meaning of this thing is to shake up online communities!

[Steevo]

Anyone who believes is a Twat!!


Yahhh, GO TWATS!!!!!!

[mlee49]

like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

nuff said

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i love me some twats

[FordGT90Concept]

...so the real meaning of this thing is to shake up online communities!
Mission accomplished! I want my "multi-billions" back. :D

[PP Mguire]

They say their maths proves that nature will "ripple backward through time" to stop the LHC before it can create the God particle, like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.Maybe they need to learn grammar :shadedshu

[Cuzza]

Exactly what is wrong with "maths" as a shortening of "mathematics"? I know in some parts of the world "math" is more acceptable, but where I come from (and in Australia, where this article is published) "maths" is the common term.

[Papahyooie]

I'll be the first to admit that the actual workings of the LHC are above my head... but to say that something that hasnt been discovered and is only theoretical is coming back through time to prevent you from discovering it... sounds like their finacial backers are getting nervous at all the delays to me. I'm not convinced the whole thing isn't some publicity stunt... what for i'm not sure, so it must not be working. (not LHC's in general, as i'm sure they're useful) But think, when the thing was convieved the world was convinced for approximately 5 seconds that they were going to start up a black hole and suck the world into it. Now particles are coming back terminator style to sabatoge the experiments... and scientists are using the highly technical term "twat"... I'd really like to read something very detailed about thier claims and find out thier "science" behind it. I've done very in-depth research into black holes and all that back in high school (well very in depth for a high schooler im sure lol) and this all just seems a little too far out there. Once again, sounds like publicity drivel to me.

And not to get into a religion debate here, but sounds like they're taunting God, which, no matter what you believe is God, is always a bad idea. Even if pure science is your form of god, you at least have to believe in the laws of chance and probablility... for example the probablility of you accidentally creating that black hole and destroying the entire world, or whatever horrific thing might happen when you taunt your god... I personally believe in a combination of natural laws and intelligent design, and everyone knows that when you taunt gravity, eventually you will fall to your death. Why should any other law of nature be any different?

[El Fiendo]

Ehmm, I don't think the scientists claiming that particles and or god are sapping the collider are actually on the project. Therefore I don't think this is a CERN 'publicity stunt'. All the delays so far have been errors with the design which likely came about because this is the biggest damn collider there is and there are a few kinks to work out. Oh, they don't like mentioning there are other colliders in operation because they aren't very doomsday-ey.

And create a black hole? What evidence is there in ANY way shape or form that this could create a black hole? Humans have no understanding of black holes whatsoever and know even less about how they're formed. The things we do know are they're there and they have massive gravity. Past that its all theory that can't be proven outside anything of long range viewing. What this machine does is create collisions of two particles at high energy to see their resulting materials. If we look up similar definitions, we can see that fission is pretty much the same thing. We'd be far more likely to see a BIG explosion long before the creation of a black hole.

Here's some nifty information. The Tsar Bomba explosion rated as 1.31x10^36eV. From what I understand the LHC will measure around 1.5x10^13eV on its max energy collisions. If high energy fission-like reactions at the LHC can cause micro black holes...

[FordGT90Concept]

Here's some nifty information. The Tsar Bomba explosion rated as 1.31x10^36eV. From what I understand the LHC will measure around 1.5x10^13eV on its max energy collisions. If high energy fission-like reactions at the LHC can cause micro black holes...
There's a black hole over Siberia!!!! Everyone, prepare to die! *panics* :D

[Steevo]

They are looking for the "disappearing" energy to prove that strings exist and can move between dimentions in that way. Scientists have already moved three electrons out of our dimension, but have no idea what or where they went, if they just moved to a higher energy state that we cannot currently detect, or to a particle smaller than we can detect.

If the quarks are made of strings, that are convoluted, folded, and comprised of dimensions beyond ours then this whole project is for nothing. If the quarks are made of other particles with no way of escaping our dimension, then we need to move forward on that path and look for a new unifying theory.


So Billions of dollars spent to disprove strings that vibrate.

[Frick]

What denies me the right to dismiss it? Logic > Knowledge

Lack of education I would guess, with or without knowledge.

Aaaanywho, whatever.

[FordGT90Concept]

They are looking for the "disappearing" energy to prove that strings exist and can move between dimentions in that way. Scientists have already moved three electrons out of our dimension, but have no idea what or where they went, if they just moved to a higher energy state that we cannot currently detect, or to a particle smaller than we can detect.
That's why LHC was created--try to find those "disappearing" particles and the "God" particle (gives particles mass, supposedly).

[Papahyooie]

Ehmm, I don't think the scientists claiming that particles and or god are sapping the collider are actually on the project. Therefore I don't think this is a CERN 'publicity stunt'. All the delays so far have been errors with the design which likely came about because this is the biggest damn collider there is and there are a few kinks to work out. Oh, they don't like mentioning there are other colliders in operation because they aren't very doomsday-ey.

And create a black hole? What evidence is there in ANY way shape or form that this could create a black hole? Humans have no understanding of black holes whatsoever and know even less about how they're formed. The things we do know are they're there and they have massive gravity. Past that its all theory that can't be proven outside anything of long range viewing. What this machine does is create collisions of two particles at high energy to see their resulting materials. If we look up similar definitions, we can see that fission is pretty much the same thing. We'd be far more likely to see a BIG explosion long before the creation of a black hole.

Here's some nifty information. The Tsar Bomba explosion rated as 1.31x10^36eV. From what I understand the LHC will measure around 1.5x10^13eV on its max energy collisions. If high energy fission-like reactions at the LHC can cause micro black holes...

I didnt realize that the scientists claiming this werent on the project, so that makes more sense.
I know what the machine does, and one of the particle accelerator's primary functions (not this particular one, but other particle colliders) or at least they hoped, was to synthesize a micro black hole. The scientists themselves dont even know if they have actually done so though. The whole business of hadron colliding and Higgs particles is very similar to black hole theory in the first place. However, whether it was possible wasn't my point, my point was that thats what people who didnt know what they were talking about (as this particular collider isnt for that purpose) said. More likely, as you said, is a huge explosion, but seeing as how the things were created in other forms to try to simulate a black hole, its a real possibility (well, ok it "might" be lol)

[FordGT90Concept]

By my calculations some time ago, the matter that makes up a black hole wouldn't be much more dense than Uranium. If you put a lot of these unstable, heavy isotopes together, their mass is likely to stablize it. That, or there is another "natural" heavy metal like Uranium farther down the periodic table that is yet to be discovered. Basically, there's no evidence atoms would collapse upon themselves at the density of a theroretical black holes. It's just a large mass of something very, very dense and that very dense mass is constantly undergoing nuclear fission. You can't see it because fission reactions just glow, they don't burn. The immense gravity is also likely to supress flames from forming. The only ways to detect it, therefore, are in the X-Ray and Gamma range of the electromagnetic spectrum (and they have).