Jmcslob's carry over from Thing

[jmcslob]

OK Rhino what did you think when you watched this
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-12-2009/jim-cramer-extended-interview-pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-12-2009/jim-cramer-extended-interview-pt--2
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-12-2009/jim-cramer-extended-interview-pt--3

[FordGT90Concept]

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ALL DONE UNDER GOVT control not business...THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE..Tennessee Valley Authority...HOOVER DAM....Social Security...WAR TIME READINESS ACT....
Historians/economists debate if any of those programs actually did anything to end the Great Depression. What isn't debated is that the war-time demands of WWII ended it (everything from food stuffs, to weapons, to ships, to clothing).

Without WWII, would the Gread Depression have ended by the time FDR passed away? Probably not. We are seeing the very same trends now with job losses still way up there. 1/5th of the GDP spent on "economic" recovery does nothing more than destabilize the currency.



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It was only after the GOVT REGULATIONS that most business is even possible...
This was also the era of Ford, GM, oil, steel, etc. much like today. Again, I fail to see the connection between "government regulations" and "business...possibilities."

[jmcslob]

Historians/economists debate if any of those programs actually did anything to end the Great Depression. What isn't debated is that the war-time demands of WWII ended it (everything from food stuffs, to weapons, to ships, to clothing).

Without WWII, would the Gread Depression have ended by the time FDR passed away? Probably not. We are seeing the very same trends now with job losses still way up there. 1/5th of the GDP spent on "economic" recovery does nothing more than destabilize the currency.



This was also the era of Ford, GM, oil, steel, etc. much like today. Again, I fail to see the connection between "government regulations" and "business...possibilities."So when the GOVT Caps pollution, you don't think new Industries will rise..You don't see that as good and positive Regulation..For every need a New Business shale rise to the occasion Right? and Newer, safer ,cleaner Technologies will emerge to drive the economy, Right? but if we as a society don't push for progression for industry, industry will remain the same..And sometimes progression can't be done by sheer market will Some Regulations need to be put in place Right?


And oh yeah The liberals that caused the Housing Bubble bullshit..Barney Frank,Douchebag Bush jr. ...Who exactly Backed that Bill....Who pushed it through the Senate and Congress, so those poor Liberals could give everyone a Home, Who pushed Corporate America's Plan over the public option....Well...Who could it be hmmm. Is it the Big Banks and Corporations That took Bailout money...No it can't be those FUCKS, but it is, WTF!! and Now the Insurance Companies are running the Same line of Bullshit over Health care as the Home Banks did AND people are gonna buy that shit to HUH...It's not like were the Only Industrialized Nation that doesn't have Universal Health care. Oh wait, WTF!, we are...
and college Loans...
before deregulation the interest was LOW very LOW and Fixed

[FordGT90Concept]

So when the GOVT Caps pollution, you don't think new Industries will rise..
Industries as corrupt as the government that creates them. There's no room for honest industries anymore from simple manufacturing to hometown stores.


You don't see that as good and positive Regulation..For every need a New Business shale rise to the occasion Right? and Newer, safer ,cleaner Technologies will emerge to drive the economy, Right? but if we as a society don't push for progression for industry, industry will remain the same..And sometimes progression can't be done by sheer market will Some Regulations need to be put in place Right?
I can't name one regulation that actually helped.

Government can push for progression of industry by investing in the military and space exploration. NASA in joint ventures with the DARPA have invented everything from ultra long range radio communications to the Internet. These are technologies a private enterprise has no interest in investing in but once they see it work, they'll take it and run with it.

I don't have to list everything no government subsidized that got invented anyway (like X-Ray machines). Government is no more entrepreneurial than your average folk--they just have a larger pool of money to throw at a problem. They also spend money foolishly more often than they do righteously.

There's no money in "clean" and never will be. Government has to subsidize "clean" to make it economically competitive. I think it is wrong.

Regulations prevent "progression of industry," by lining it with red tape and list of "do nots." Do you think the atomic bomb would have been discovered if the government heavily regulated the Manhattan Project? Of course not. They gave Oppenheimer a blank check and access to the best nuclear physicists in the world and he made it happen, "no matter the cost." The reason why the Manhattan Project (and other blacker-than-black) projects work is because there are zero regulations.


And oh yeah The liberals that caused the Housing Bubble bullshit..Barney Frank,Douchebag Bush jr. ...Who exactly Backed that Bill....Who pushed it through the Senate and Congress, so those poor Liberals could give everyone a Home, Who pushed Corporate America's Plan over the public option....Well...Who could it be hmmm. Is it the Big Banks and Corporations That took Bailout money...No it can't be those FUCKS, but it is, WTF!! and Now the Insurance Companies are running the Same line of Bullshit over Health care as the Home Banks did AND people are gonna buy that shit to HUH...It's not like were the Only Industrialized Nation that doesn't have Universal Health care. Oh wait, WTF!, we are...
and college Loans...
before deregulation the interest was LOW very LOW and Fixed
All the more reason to make Congress leave the economy the fuck alone. They line their own pockets, swear they are trying to fix it, sweep the issue under the rug, and spin it when it when it crawls back out.

You want them telling you such and such treatment isn't available to you rather than an insurance company? Congress and insurance companies have a lot in common especially in the greed department. I'll tell you exactly how "universal health care" works: instead of insurance companies getting 100% of the profits and Uncle Sam gets 0%, Uncle Same will be getting an 80% cut while the insurance company gets 20%. If that figure doesn't add up to 100%, you are losing quality. If it does add up to 100%, you are still paying the same amount (one hand giveth, one hand taketh away) but Uncle Sam makes it disappear in some other program they can't afford.

How is that the USA did so well for almost 50 years before everything went to shit? Answer: The first USA corporation didn't appear until 1813. Carnegie Steel (first monopoly) wasn't founded until 1870.


Imagine what the world would be like if no business could exceed an annual gross income of $1 billion. Every Fortune 1000 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/full_list/index.html) company would have to be split into at least two if not 380 (Wal-Mart) separate chains. Competition would once again rise from the ashes and people will no longer have a reason to look to outsourcing for goods because no corporation has the money to spare to warrant shipping a product over 5000 miles. People would once again put money into their own economy by shopping because those $1 billion corporations couldn't as easily shut small businesses out.

If you also made it easier and cheaper to file for anti-competition, a $10,000 business could potentially suck $100,000 (0.01%) out of that monster in order to provide yourself some room to enter into the market.

Money could still shift from one market to another on Wall Street but the likelihood of a massive collapse is unlikely due to redundancy. Businesses that require more than $1,000,000,000 annually must register as not-for-profit.

Corporations could no longer afford multi-million dollar, sponsored vactions and events or heavily compensated employees because there isn't much wiggle room in the budget and it is unlikely your competition will do the same.

[jmcslob]

(except where safety is concerned)
The Trucking Industry
I think in 1982 Reagan Deregulated the trucking industry AGAINST The wishes of the Company Owners and Driver's. The Idea was to promote competition, No price setting meant The little guy could come in and compete with the big Companies, which was Already Happening. After the regulations went out the Door Companies looking to ship NO LONGER had to Post shipping rates and Fuel surplus% and began Closed Door Capitalist Adventures with the Very same Companies and Drivers and the New Independent Companies:) All was Good , Companies looking to ship could save upwards of 1% on shipping Costs:D But wait, Why not guarantee That 1% savings with a Locked contract with a variable Fuel Surplus% and Have a Company Guarantee your shipments:D It showed that Shipper and Delivery Company could come Together and without Regulation and Get the same Job done with competition, and in those regards it was a TOTAL SUCCESS
But with DeRegulation being such a Success why is The Trucking Industry in 92% Debt and Considered on the Verge of Collapse?
I already Know the Answer here...Do You?


Annette Holdings is the ONLY Trucking Company with More than 75 Trucks that holds No Debt they have over 500 that i know of. (a lot more actualy just don't fell like looking it up that's TMC btw)

Where the Trucking Industry Does Quite well...
1) With exclusive Contracts with companies such as Walmart...Some companies are just to large To allow actual competition So they simply Lock in Contract with a Large Corporate Trucking Companies that only Care about $.03 profit after all costs are considered
2) Special Cargo...Ferrari's,Art work, Rock Bands
3)Niche markets
4) Regulated Cargo...Yes Regulated Cargo still exists and IS STILL the HIGHEST profit Cargo you can GET period;)
Some examples...
Permit Routes This includes:
Over weight Cargo over 80,000 GVW,
Biological Waste,Semi-Toxic and Toxic waste,
Tanks,Guns, Missiles,Drugs(legal),Machinery Oversized,
Anything oversized.
My personal favorites are, Over weight Runs why be limited to 80,000 Lbs and Semi Toxic waste, I can see the Logic There with those regulations,for Public safety and Those types of Runs are the most profitable

[FordGT90Concept]

But with DeRegulation being such a Success why is The Trucking Industry in 92% Debt and Considered on the Verge of Collapse?
My dad's an owner-operator and all is well in the industry. It is not on the "verge of collapse." Yeah, he's got debt because he bought a $100,000+ truck but it pays for itself so, meh.


4) Regulated Cargo...Yes Regulated Cargo still exists and IS STILL the HIGHEST profit Cargo you can GET period;)
Some examples...
Permit Routes This includes:
Over weight Cargo over 80,000 GVW,
Biological Waste,Semi-Toxic and Toxic waste,
Tanks,Guns, Missiles,Drugs(legal),Machinery Oversized,
Anything oversized.
You mean DOT-licensed loads (including escort and HazMat). They are regulated because they pose an elevated risk to everyone they get near (especially HazMat). High risk comes with high rewards (e.g. investing in the stock market).

[jmcslob]

My dad's an owner-operator and all is well in the industry. It is not on the "verge of collapse." Yeah, he's got debt because he bought a $100,000+ truck but it pays for itself so, meh.



You mean DOT-licensed loads (including escort and HazMat). They are regulated because they pose an elevated risk to everyone they get near (especially HazMat). High risk comes with high rewards (e.g. investing in the stock market).
I was an Owner operator and all is not Fine, Somewhere along the Lines of 20% of drivers have no work, specially those driver's of RAW MATERIALS, Which also means less GNP which means most of the goods drivers are Running are imported or Agriculture type...Steel production is Down 70% which accounts for most of the trucks off the road..
I drove a 2008 Freightliner Centry class with a 48' East Heavy Duty Flat bed with the super singles and a Conestoga Kit and a 53' Van also made by East, Fuel prices didn't nail me, but Taking a load at a loss for 7 months did so I sold out and went Company until I GOT LAID OFF..I'm 1 of 12,000 drivers in OHIO that got LAID OFF and cannot FIND work in the INDUSTRY to this day....
And no I meant PERMIT LOADS that is the Technical term. You have to get the Permit first from the Local GOVT then the State and then from any STATE you will Travel through...That's all I did til the end even with a Company..The only other way to make Any money is to STAY on the ROAD


Since you seem to want AVOID the problem with this industry and Others I'll just say it.....
When to many Companies are competing for the same prize, One thing Happens In every circumstance, Regulations are thrown to the side With the help from the Big Banks, and people Begin to Gamble on Bad Business Deals and before you know it THE WHOLE country is Leveraged in DEBT..In other words, People get to GREEDY and it FUCKS everybody else.
YOU get to many people out to make a quick buck, like in the housing market...Flip This House...Fucking Idiots....You get Stock Brokers (a small Minority at that like 1%)That do Short sales....You get Companies That "order ON DEMAND" to Save Money on Warehouses and pay PREMIUM freight fees That costs more than the warehouse, You Get News Companies Like Fox and MSNBC that makes money off of Offering bad Business Advice for Money,and then you get companies like Scott Trade ...Nothing needs to be said there..If you don't get that then your Doomed anyways
That's what the REGULATIONS are there to Prevent from Happening..OF course you can always find a way to make money Minus the REGS but those are to HIGH of a RISK, That's why they are there thats why they were there to begin with...
If you have a solid business plan you should generate a surplus of Revenue Not borrow more to keep Going, in other words GAMBLE

[FordGT90Concept]

Can you link to a source that backs those claims up (e.g. department of commerce or department of transportation)?

Most trucks haul agriculture (produce, dairy products, livestock) and finished goods (cloths and manufactured goods).

Nothing will fix an industry that has no demand. It doesn't matter if it chew toys for dogs or space rockets.

It those things really were bad for business, they'd already be bankrupt. Money drives markets, not common sense.



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They are!
Politicians don't write your paycheck, corporate (any business) execs do. Even if you work for the government, they run on tax money which comes from businesses. Any way you shake it, businesses have done more for this country than the government ever did. Without them, there is no economic backbone; no economy means government has no power.

[jmcslob]

Here is an interesting Note..Rise=.4% mostly in Farmlands, Alaska and Nj..Import docks...Rest of the country sees no growth or job loss.BTW these are Seasonal #'s I bet come Winter they Plummit
http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/naics4_484100.htm
http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/news-detail.asp?news_id=68278&news_category_id=7 Big Companies start to Flop
http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/news-detail.asp?news_id=68250&news_category_id=36 Truck Sales going Down hmmm WHY?
Work in progress...The D.O.T. and the U.S. census Bureau's have not released any Numbers on the trucking Industry since 2007 Hmmmmmm why?
more to come I'll get those #'s for ya ....they seem hard to come by negative or positive
http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=22340 sales of trucks decline
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-67406170.html latest still declining
Tonnage which is freight has been in decline 15% http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=22609
steel and Raw materials
http://steelguru.com/news/index/2009/08/21/MTA3OTkx/US_weekly_raw_steel_production_down_by_40.5pct_YoY .html I live near district 2..
but but but world steel production only down 22% Hmmm imports http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/global-steel-production-down-22-2009-03-20

Maybe most trucks around you Deliver Agriculture and finished goods But in Mi.OH,PA,NY,KY,TN,WV,IN Raw materials and Steel is what Most trucks carry then Manufactured American products like CARS,Trucks, and Cocacola and other finished products, But tha's the problem here isn't it...We don't seem to want to make Stuff here cause Trade regulations have been Removed..For the Wants of Big Business...
AND yeah business makes money But it has to be done by the LIMITS in which The society they operate in decides...NOT BUTTS ABOUT IT EVER (that's why it's going to China No worries there about Regulations right)

[jmcslob]

Whats so Fucking hard to Understand here:mad:
It was Dumb ass beliefs like what you are trying to State that got this Country into this FUCKING mess Seriously...Big Business IS BAD...BIG GOVERNMENT IS BAD...WE wouldn't need big GOVT if BUSINESS had SOME FUCKING MORALS, Whats wrong with socialized Medicine>>>>NOTHING...NOTHING AT ALL...It just gives everybody HEALTH care not Just the LUCKY FEW...WHY the FUCK is it OK for A CEO to SUCK UP so much MONEY that his company can't remain profitable..And whats wrong with the ECONOMY...1 WORD (ch)***GREED****(ch) FUCKING GREED(poop) It's called trickle down economics NOT trickle into the Rich Fucks POCKET!!! The RICH of this COUNTRY SUCKED UP SO MUCH MONEY that there is now NOT ENOUGH TO GO AROUND that is in the LEAST BULLSHIT AND guess what it's coming TO AND END HAHAHA
That's right HAHAHAHA UNIONS ARE COMING BACK bringing back the Voice of the People and Big business will be REGULATED:eek:
SO tell me whats wrong with these SOCIALIZED programs
Schools, Police, Fire Fighters, Really? Health Care is a natural Progression since PUBLIC HEALTH IS A GOVT's 1st PRIORITY
I don't mean to be a DICK towards you BUT this shit is BAD and we got here from DERGULATION, the REGS were put into effect AFTER the GREAT DEPRESSION to prevent What..THIS SHIT...THIS exactly..I see your point about it's to hard for small business but I'm not talking Regs for Small Business I'm talking REGS for GINORMUS BUSINESS....
Best point...How much is a Business that costs a NATION WORTH..EASY answer Nothing...Now How Much Did BIG Business just cost us and our Children...how many trillion...Nobody put a gun to anybodies head and said GIVE bad LOANS...That was a business decision bases on GREED...Did any business really think 30:1 leveraged Loans would pay off...NO...But it does show the need to regulate the SHIT HEADS that think they can rip off everybody and get away with it.
The problem is simple Business cares for itself..the Govt needs to care for everyone....You see the conflict there....
And I'm SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of THIS HEALTH CARE DEBATE...
I love it..The HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY IS ONLY THE 34th MOST PROFITABLE Industry in the U.S. ...Yeah ok..but does that say how much money was made..No it says Cost to profit it Ranks 34th..What it does not say is what's 3.4% of a trillion $...so that's what 3.4 billion annually...That's to FUCKING MUCH..way to much

The real problem here is $ has you believing the GOVT can do no right and they are just out to fuck you so you get outraged and want what BIG business wants which is not in anybodies best interest...But it seems Big business has more $ to spread they're Brain washing Bullshit they keeps the public in distrust of the GOVT...Simple Stupid FEAR

[FordGT90Concept]

Here is an interesting Note..Rise=.4% mostly in Farmlands, Alaska and Nj..Import docks...
More people means more food, more food means more farming revenue, fewer farmers means more farming revenue per farmer.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/naics4_484100.htm
Some interesting figures but it doesn't make any comparisons to previous years.


http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/news-detail.asp?news_id=68278&news_category_id=7 Big Companies start to Flop
$75 million isn't exactly "big" by American standards. That's the point: where there is a lot of competition, "big" doesn't exist.


http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/news-detail.asp?news_id=68250&news_category_id=36 Truck Sales going Down hmmm WHY?

Work in progress...The D.O.T. and the U.S. census Bureau's have not released any Numbers on the trucking Industry since 2007 Hmmmmmm why?
more to come I'll get those #'s for ya ....they seem hard to come by negative or positive
http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=22340 sales of trucks decline
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-67406170.html latest still declining
Tonnage which is freight has been in decline 15% http://www.ttnews.com/articles/basetemplate.aspx?storyid=22609
steel and Raw materials
All vehicle sales went down due to economic recession. Trucks aren't expected to be an exception. Trucks are $100k+ investments most large companies would rather wait on. However, there are people like my dad that buy those Volvo trucks at a discount when some larger company turned a big order down. Only the people with money are in a position to buy right now.



http://steelguru.com/news/index/2009/08/21/MTA3OTkx/US_weekly_raw_steel_production_down_by_40.5pct_YoY .html I live near district 2..
but but but world steel production only down 22% Hmmm imports http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/global-steel-production-down-22-2009-03-20
USA has been getting more and more out of the steel business ever since China dumped a lot of cheap steel on the market. Couple that with reduced construction, machining, and manufacturing, a large decline is expected.


Maybe most trucks around you Deliver Agriculture and finished goods But in Mi.OH,PA,NY,KY,TN,WV,IN Raw materials and Steel is what Most trucks carry then Manufactured American products like CARS,Trucks, and Cocacola and other finished products, But tha's the problem here isn't it...We don't seem to want to make Stuff here cause Trade regulations have been Removed..For the Wants of Big Business...
AND yeah business makes money But it has to be done by the LIMITS in which The society they operate in decides...NOT BUTTS ABOUT IT EVER (that's why it's going to China No worries there about Regulations right)
Coca Cola has their own distrobution system.

If the industry that requires transportation dies, the transportation industry that supported it dies as well. Regulations aren't going to fix anything but a tarriff would on those products that are being excessively imported (like steel and cars).

We don't make it here anymore because there are regulations. It simply costs too damn much (unions, taxes, cheap imports, etc.) to set up shop in the USA anymore especially for manufacturing jobs that are easily outsourced. The federal government hasn't been doing its job to protect the American worker. This is why the manfuacturing segment has been so frail for the past two+ decades.

[jmcslob]

More people means more food, more food means more farming revenue, fewer farmers means more farming revenue per farmer.


Some interesting figures but it doesn't make any comparisons to previous years.



$75 million isn't exactly "big" by American standards. That's the point: where there is a lot of competition, "big" doesn't exist.



All vehicle sales went down due to economic recession. Trucks aren't expected to be an exception. Trucks are $100k+ investments most large companies would rather wait on. However, there are people like my dad that buy those Volvo trucks at a discount when some larger company turned a big order down. Only the people with money are in a position to buy right now.




USA has been getting more and more out of the steel business ever since China dumped a lot of cheap steel on the market. Couple that with reduced construction, machining, and manufacturing, a large decline is expected.



Coca Cola has their own distrobution system.

If the industry that requires transportation dies, the transportation industry that supported it dies as well. Regulations aren't going to fix anything but a tarriff would on those products that are being excessively imported (like steel and cars).

We don't make it here anymore because there are regulations. It simply costs too damn much (unions, taxes, cheap imports, etc.) to set up shop in the USA anymore especially for manufacturing jobs that are easily outsourced. The federal government hasn't been doing its job to protect the American worker. This is why the manfuacturing segment has been so frail for the past two+ decades.your almost making my point for me here..with just about all your answers..Really...New Regulations wont help Right? but what about the Regs that were removed that caused these problems....Nothing complex just the simple Trade laws...You know the ones Big Business lobbied to rid us of.....Not working out so great for us is it:(



Oh and there is no Information to Compare these figures as the Agencies responsible for the Figures, Have not got to them yet (wtf) they just got done with 2007...
and that's how I got my Truck as well, and that's how the owner of the Company I was working for got his Fleet...I believe it's called "Find the depressed salesman Approach" LOL you find the guy who was so happy to sell 20 trucks to an up and coming Company that made a huge down Payment and Flopped before they got the Trucks...Nothing wrong there


I'm not opposed to Deregulating all THE BIG BUSINESS LEAD REGULATIONS that hamper Innovation and slow progress.. But I'm for Regs like the FCC Net Neutrality tha promotes growth without Gamble

[FordGT90Concept]

It was Dumb ass beliefs like what you are trying to State that got this Country into this FUCKING mess Seriously...Big Business IS BAD...BIG GOVERNMENT IS BAD...WE wouldn't need big GOVT if BUSINESS had SOME FUCKING MORALS,
Big government guarentees big businesses will exist. Need I remind you that our already big ass government bought a lionshare in GM, Chrysler, and multibillion dollar banks. Give businesses the ability to regulate themselves and greed will moderate the system.


Whats wrong with socialized Medicine>>>>NOTHING...NOTHING AT ALL...It just gives everybody HEALTH care not Just the LUCKY FEW...
90% of the country is insured. It's the 10% that are crying for Uncle Sam to save them. There's already a program for those 10%: it is called Medicaid.


WHY the FUCK is it OK for A CEO to SUCK UP so much MONEY that his company can't remain profitable...And whats wrong with the ECONOMY...1 WORD (ch)***GREED****(ch) FUCKING GREED(poop) It's called trickle down economics NOT trickle into the Rich Fucks POCKET!!! The RICH of this COUNTRY SUCKED UP SO MUCH MONEY that there is now NOT ENOUGH TO GO AROUND that is in the LEAST BULLSHIT AND guess what it's coming TO AND END HAHAHA
I'll have you know that CEOs aren't even on the list of top 10 compensated careers. Positions 1-4 are all healthcare related (anestisalogist being #1). Only your Fortune 1000 companies have the money to pay tens of millions of dollars to executives. No more Fortune 1000 companies, no more tens of milliions in compensation. Big Business is bad, medium business is alright, small bussiness is good.


That's right HAHAHAHA UNIONS ARE COMING BACK bringing back the Voice of the People and Big business will be REGULATED:eek:
The UAW was the primary reason why GM had to declare bankruptcy and Ford got damn close.

SO tell me whats wrong with these SOCIALIZED programs
They cost money we don't have. Need I remind you that in fiscal year 2008, the government had $1 trillion in revenue and spent $2 trillion--that's a $1 trillion deficit and it is likely to be even worse this year.

Health Care is a natural Progression since PUBLIC HEALTH IS A GOVT's 1st PRIORITY
Government's first priority is to protect you from foreign invasion (need I remind you, George Washington was a general first and foremost). All this socialist bullshit didn't start until FDR before WWII. The country faired well for 150 years without. Remember, socialism favors the greed of the worker while capitalism favors the greed of the employer.


I don't mean to be a DICK towards you BUT this shit is BAD and we got here from DERGULATION, the REGS were put into effect AFTER the GREAT DEPRESSION to prevent What..THIS SHIT...THIS exactly..I see your point about it's to hard for small business but I'm not talking Regs for Small Business I'm talking REGS for GINORMUS BUSINESS....
I said it before and I'll say it again: regulations don't work on the broad scale of an economy. They only work an individual-based scale (e.g. you can't build a house a foot from a primary road, you can't move hazardous freight through densely populated areas, etc.). Businesses are much smarter, and greedier, than government. If government establishes a regulation, the government becomes their enemy and they direct those wits at finding ways around the regulations. Because the government can never be big enough to police an entire economy, they do it a lot and get away with it. To catch a criminal, you have to be a criminal. One greedy business knows how the next greedy businesses is getting away with murder (they are most likely doing the same). The smaller of the two wants to be on top so it tries to knock the competition down a few pegs. Business on business is a never ending fight (kind of like the trucking industry). One business doesn't always win as in the case of business versus government.



That was a business decision bases on GREED...Did any business really think 30:1 leveraged Loans would pay off...NO...But it does show the need to regulate the SHIT HEADS that think they can rip off everybody and get away with it.
The mistake was bailing them out. Had they not been bailed out, they got what was coming to them (bankruptcy).


I love it..The HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY IS ONLY THE 34th MOST PROFITABLE Industry in the U.S. ...Yeah ok..but does that say how much money was made..No it says Cost to profit it Ranks 34th..What it does not say is what's 3.4% of a trillion $...so that's what 3.4 billion annually...That's to FUCKING MUCH..way to much
That's 0.03% of the GDP. That isn't much at all. A single imaging machine costs well into the millions.


The real problem here is $ has you believing the GOVT can do no right and they are just out to fuck you so you get outraged and want what BIG business wants which is not in anybodies best interest...But it seems Big business has more $ to spread they're Brain washing Bullshit they keeps the public in distrust of the GOVT...Simple Stupid FEAR
Government needs to make sure no business can get "big" (you don't need a big government to do this, either). When there's no giants in an industry, it self-regulates.


your almost making my point for me here..with just about all your answers..Really...New Regulations wont help Right? but what about the Regs that were removed that caused these problems....Nothing complex just the simple Trade laws...You know the ones Big Business lobbied to rid us of.....Not working out so great for us is it:(
Again, regulations aren't the problem--lack of good tariffs is. Until there is good tariffs in place, the manufacturing segment of the USA will continue to shrivel and die.


I'm not opposed to Deregulating all THE BIG BUSINESS LEAD REGULATIONS that hamper Innovation and slow progress.. But I'm for Regs like the FCC Net Neutrality tha promotes growth without Gamble
Net Neutrality doesn't promote growth, it promotes consumer rights. Because I consider the Internet as infrastructure, it makes sense for the government to step in there (imagine if a neighborhood, for instance, mandated a 5 mph speed limit on their road or a business required a fine in order to use their private roads).

[jmcslob]

Big government guarentees big businesses will exist. Need I remind you that our already big ass government bought a lionshare in GM, Chrysler, and multibillion dollar banks. Give businesses the ability to regulate themselves and greed will moderate the system.



90% of the country is insured. It's the 10% that are crying for Uncle Sam to save them. There's already a program for those 10%: it is called Medicaid.



I'll have you know that CEOs aren't even on the list of top 10 compensated careers. Positions 1-4 are all healthcare related (anestisalogist being #1). Only your Fortune 1000 companies have the money to pay tens of millions of dollars to executives. No more Fortune 1000 companies, no more tens of milliions in compensation. Big Business is bad, medium business is alright, small bussiness is good.



The UAW was the primary reason why GM had to declare bankruptcy and Ford got damn close.


They cost money we don't have. Need I remind you that in fiscal year 2008, the government had $1 trillion in revenue and spent $2 trillion--that's a $1 trillion deficit and it is likely to be even worse this year.


Government's first priority is to protect you from foreign invasion (need I remind you, George Washington was a general first and foremost). All this socialist bullshit didn't start until FDR before WWII. The country faired well for 150 years without. Remember, socialism favors the greed of the worker while capitalism favors the greed of the employer.



I said it before and I'll say it again: regulations don't work on the broad scale of an economy. They only work an individual-based scale (e.g. you can't build a house a foot from a primary road, you can't move hazardous freight through densely populated areas, etc.). Businesses are much smarter, and greedier, than government. If government establishes a regulation, the government becomes their enemy and they direct those wits at finding ways around the regulations. Because the government can never be big enough to police an entire economy, they do it a lot and get away with it. To catch a criminal, you have to be a criminal. One greedy business knows how the next greedy businesses is getting away with murder (they are most likely doing the same). The smaller of the two wants to be on top so it tries to knock the competition down a few pegs. Business on business is a never ending fight (kind of like the trucking industry). One business doesn't always win as in the case of business versus government.




The mistake was bailing them out. Had they not been bailed out, they got what was coming to them (bankruptcy).



That's 0.03% of the GDP. That isn't much at all. A single imaging machine costs well into the millions.



Government needs to make sure no business can get "big" (you don't need a big government to do this, either). When there's no giants in an industry, it self-regulates.



Again, regulations aren't the problem--lack of good tariffs is. Until there is good tariffs in place, the manufacturing segment of the USA will continue to shrivel and die.



Net Neutrality doesn't promote growth, it promotes consumer rights. Because I consider the Internet as infrastructure, it makes sense for the government to step in there (imagine if a neighborhood, for instance, mandated a 5 mph speed limit on their road or a business required a fine in order to use their private roads).
I don't think you realize How much of what you said i agree with...Just in a different way..
GM, It wasn't just the Unions... Executive Salary per Car Equaled Labor per car..Which still isn't all that much (not sure i think I heard it Totals like $3000 per Car I live Near GM Lordstown and they bring it up on the news a lot)....It had a lot to do with the Mismanaged Retirement Funds for Both executive and Hourly employee's..and now they simply add that money towards a current Car...That stuff should have already been taken care of...

Health Insurance...You are most likely Correct, however those Not insured Are "The working Poor" At the least a public option should be given as a choice for those people..Which I do believe is the Idea here...The poor get Medicaid..The well off can afford Insurance, but that leaves to many Hard working people left out..

CEO's, Well they are mostly Compensated with Bonus's and what is "supposed to be an Incentive Stock options" Most CEO's forgo Stock Option's for Bonus's since If stock Takes a Hit money is Lost...So they choose Bonus's witch They do take even If the Corp they work Looses it's ass Quarter after Quarter (AIG)

Social Programs, Police and Fire need left alone, The Schools however need Some Minor Work...1 thing that comes to mind is Obama's performance reviews....Great Idea if it can be Passed

Govt's Priority, Washington's first official act as President was to create a National Distillery For drinking water...For public Health..as he realized that only Healthy troops were effective

Regulations, They do work...or at least they did until they were repealed and look where we are now.

Bailouts..Mistake...yeah mistake...

Medical profits...no that is a problem...Imagining Scanners seem to cost a lot less in other Countries....So the question is Why so much here?

Big Business, Not so big that can collapse an economy Right I agree and I also agree big Govt isn't needed either

Tariffs, That's what paid for our Govt before income Taxes and I think they can help Fix quite a few of the problems...Again Obama is for Tariffs... Tire Tariff just got put in place

[FordGT90Concept]

I don't think you realize How much of what you said i agree with...Just in a different way..
GM, It wasn't just the Unions... Executive Salary per Car Equaled Labor per car..Which still isn't all that much (not sure i think I heard it Totals like $3000 per Car I live Near GM Lordstown and they bring it up on the news a lot)....It had a lot to do with the Mismanaged Retirement Funds for Both executive and Hourly employee's..and now they simply add that money towards a current Car...That stuff should have already been taken care of...
The reason why they have such grand retirement plans is because of the UAW. Only politicians have such grand retirement plans.


Health Insurance...You are most likely Correct, however those Not insured Are "The working Poor" At the least a public option should be given as a choice for those people..Which I do believe is the Idea here...The poor get Medicaid..The well off can afford Insurance, but that leaves to many Hard working people left out.
If they were, in fact, "poor" and have a excuse for being poor, again, I point towards Medicaid.

Every aspect of the "public option" is a mistake. I think the government has done all it should in that regard (Medicaid). Every "public option" that has been tried on a smaller scale in the past (e.g. Massachusetts) has failed.


CEO's, Well they are mostly Compensated with Bonus's and what is "supposed to be an Incentive Stock options" Most CEO's forgo Stock Option's for Bonus's since If stock Takes a Hit money is Lost...So they choose Bonus's witch They do take even If the Corp they work Looses it's ass Quarter after Quarter (AIG)
CEOs are sometimes paid with stocks because if they do bad by the company, it hits their paycheck with immediate effect. Likewise, if the company does great, their paycheck shows it.

I don't condone the uses of "bonuses" as it is synonymous with "bribe."


Social Programs, Police and Fire need left alone, The Schools however need Some Minor Work...1 thing that comes to mind is Obama's performance reviews....Great Idea if it can be Passed
Fire departments are required to prevent enormous loss of lives and property. Some places could be fine without police so long as there is a court and the people are given the right to protect their property.

We don't need social programs like Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Those programs are there to reduce economic disparity.

K-12 needs major work (starting with changing to to K-8) as do all forms of higher education. Only community collleges seem to have it close to "right."


Govt's Priority, Washington's first official act as President was to create a National Distillery For drinking water...For public Health..as he realized that only Healthy troops were effective
His first official act was to assign a cabinet. The same goes for all Presidencies following him. His first major act (Judiciary Act of 1789) created the position of attorney general.


Medical profits...no that is a problem...Imagining Scanners seem to cost a lot less in other Countries....So the question is Why so much here?
Higher quality pictures with less radiation exposure. When a government is in charge of your health, they really don't care about your radiaiton exposure. The sooner you die, the sooner that money can be devote to someone more "able."


Tariffs, That's what paid for our Govt before income Taxes and I think they can help Fix quite a few of the problems...Again Obama is for Tariffs... Tire Tariff just got put in place
Yup, excise and tarriffs were to be the primary source of funds for the federal government. It wasn't until the 16th amendment in 1909 that allowed the federal government to levee an income tax (Roosevelt/Taft administration).

Note how between 1870 (big business was allowed which lead to big government) and 1930 (big government guarenteed big business a permanent position in society) is when all the shit started that we are in today. Craploads of mistakes were made back in the Civil War, WWI, and WWII that carry through today.

[jmcslob]

UAW Retirement- supposed to be funded yearly by GM...Several years of I.O.U.'s
Now Tax payers get the BILL...No argument should not have been so Massive

Public option-some people are Stuck in the working poor Group...Working at Minimum wage paying on Junk car..Car dies..can't get loan for good car, gets stuck at crappy job...and no health care..Very common

Ceo's I'm with you 100%

Social-Here in OHIO I think we have fixed the K-8 problem...Problem..Ohio supreme Court ruled the way our schools are funded is against the State Constitution....Everything that got Fixed is in jeopardy..

Washington- Yes I'm out of order...For fun do you Know What the American was executed for?

Medical Profits- LOL LMAO... Scanners are of little use when then they are Idle....That was a Local News Headline....Seems not enough people around here Have Insurance that pays for them...Being transferred to Akron...I have no opinion on that..since the local major medical center is 1/2 mile away from next closest Hospital that has 2 less beds that pretty much stay empty...Which BTW is 11 miles from the Next big Hospital which is 18 miles away from the next big Hospital...Then there is Cleveland...Maybe just Maybe part of the Problem at least around here is way to many Hospitals...Maybe fewer could lower Costs @least around here

[FordGT90Concept]

Public option-some people are Stuck in the working poor Group...Working at Minimum wage paying on Junk car..Car dies..can't get loan for good car, gets stuck at crappy job...and no health care..Very common
Government's job is to keep you from living on the streets, not make you into the next Fortune 1000 CEO.


Social-Here in OHIO I think we have fixed the K-8 problem...Problem..Ohio supreme Court ruled the way our schools are funded is against the State Constitution....Everything that got Fixed is in jeopardy..
Irony.


Washington- Yes I'm out of order...For fun do you Know What the American was executed for?
Eh?


Medical Profits- LOL LMAO... Scanners are of little use when then they are Idle....That was a Local News Headline....Seems not enough people around here Have Insurance that pays for them...Being transferred to Akron...I have no opinion on that..since the local major medical center is 1/2 mile away from next closest Hospital that has 2 less beds that pretty much stay empty...Which BTW is 11 miles from the Next big Hospital which is 18 miles away from the next big Hospital...Then there is Cleveland...Maybe just Maybe part of the Problem at least around here is way to many Hospitals...Maybe fewer could lower Costs @least around here
Scanners being idle is the result of an economic collapse. Would you like to turn the whole country into the desperate situation that Ohio and a few other states face?

Here, they get a lot of use. It was looking pretty grim towards the beginning of the year where they implemented a pay rate fix (no raise) but things seem to be looking up now.

You are correct that there are too many hospitals. Practically every town with 5000 people or more have at least a small hospital. It makes sense in the case of emergency response but it makes more sense to have more and better equiped paramedics than a hospital every 20 miles. The economics really call that shot (whether there is enough potential money in the local economy to be a viable establishment).

[FordGT90Concept]

Do you really want people like this in charge of your health?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8


They can't even properly follow the rule book and you want them to write the book of rules regarding your health? Do you see why I think it is a bad idea?