Buell [Archive] - General Nonsense Forums

CyberDruid

11-15-2009, 05:46 AM

October 15th HD announced the sale of MV Augusta and the end of the Buell line. Oddly enough this has not phased the Buell owners. Poking around on the various Buell-related message boards revealed if anything a more ardent desire for them. With a deft kick in the nuts to all who paid $12-13K for their 1125r Sportbikes HD slashed the price to $7K in an effort to rid their Hog-filled showrooms of anything Buell.(slap)

Although HD immediately reassured future and current Buell owners they would cover their warranties and provide hard parts for 7 years who knows what the future may bring. HD themselves are hard up for cash: their reserves will not cover their upcoming obligations. Chances of MV Augusta selling for more than 50-60 million in the depressed market makes it even less likely HD will be in the black come 2010. So fuck them(nutkick)

So much for the back story, this thread is for and about all things Buell. I've been a Buell fanatic from the first time I heard then saw one back in 1988. I followed their evolution with interest but being a broke hippy (u)working for Greenpeace(r) and living in my van I knew it would be a while before I could afford one.(nutlick)

So it was not until 2001 I finally had enough dosh to splosh. I found a limited edition 2000 X-1 Millenium at a local dealer and from then on I knew I could no longer ride an inline 4. In 2005 I bought a 500cc single cylinder Buell P3 Blast for my Wife. And then in 2007 I bought a Ullyses with the all-Buell 1203 XB powerplant. It was supposed to be some sort of adventure-touring bike but it failed by being too tall, too heavy, too powerful, too unsuspended and unweildy to navigate off road and caught a lot of wind on the highway. When the 1125r with the Helicon BRG-Rotax liquid cooled powerplant came out I traded the Ully in on a 25th Anniversary Signature Edition 1125r.

And that's my Buell history :D

Anyone else riding Buell or want to ride Buell out there?

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9032/millenniumx1.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/millenniumx1.jpg/)
X-1 Millenium (Mine had clip ons and a White Brothers exhaust on it when I bought it. I changed to factory bars and a Race ECM with Buell Pro Race Header and Can).

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6659/2006buellblast5460x0w.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/2006buellblast5460x0w.jpg/)
P3 Blast (I put a windshield and saddlebags on my Wife's bike along with the Buell Pro exhaust and K&N airfilter kit with fatter jetting).

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6682/carid2051.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/carid2051.jpg/)
Barricade Orange Ullyses XB12XT (mine had hard luggage).

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2416/081125r344.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/081125r344.jpg/)
2008 25 Anniversary Signature Edition 1125r (mine has factory side fairings, blue windscreen, custom seat, and an HMF exhaust with Jardine Pro Tune III Fi Tuner Card).

MT Alex

11-15-2009, 06:19 AM

Greenpeace? How the hell am I supposed to see at night without my whale blubber lamp? You damn hippies always trying to keep common folk in the dark.:p

Nice bikes, though. I always thought they were the best of the HD line. Those damn loud pipe hog throwbacks suck, unless you think driving a front end loader down the highway is fun. On a B'mer or Ducati (or I'm sure a Buell, for that matter) 100 mph feels like 50 mph. A hog? 50 mph feels like 100 mph!

CyberDruid

11-15-2009, 02:10 PM

Replace Whale Blubber with biodiesel from Reefer plants and you'll be able to see all sorts of things in the dark: even stuff that is not there :p

I tend to get pretty manic about my hobbies...for years it was VW Beetles and Buses (or Nazi Scrobbies as I call them): I found out about any part that would make them go faster or run longer between the inevitable breakdowns. And then it was my woodworking shop...and I spent a lot of time building that up and probably spent more time at the shop than I did at home. And then it was the PC business and PCs in general for many years and now I have come full circle back to gearhead heaven with the Buells.

Much like VWs the early Buells needed almost constant tinkering to keep running...but then became more and more refined (the further they got from HD parts and design) until there is really nothing to do to them except add gas and change the oil. They don't even leak or burn oil anymore.

SO all that is left is the riding experience and some minor customization...which is good because I've gotten over being greasy bloody and smelling of transmission fluid.

CyberDruid

11-29-2009, 01:49 AM

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Wile E

11-29-2009, 05:39 AM

Holy fricken cams, Batman!!! That thing lopes like crazy. Has to have a killer top end.

Spd Frk

11-29-2009, 02:10 PM

Holy fricken cams, Batman!!! That thing lopes like crazy. Has to have a killer top end.
Those are not cams .Thats a single crank pin engine .Both pistons are on the same crankshaft pin.Thats what makes that sound that Harley posers like and want you to think are cams.Killer top end for a Harley maybe but any sportbike 600cc and more would walk away from that 1930s tech peice of crap.

CyberDruid

11-29-2009, 02:23 PM

Those are not cams .Thats a single crank pin engine .Both pistons are on the same crankshaft pin.Thats what makes that sound that Harley posers like and want you to think are cams.Killer top end for a Harley maybe but any sportbike 600cc and more would walk away from that 1930s tech peice of crap.

Not only are you a * you are an ignorant *. The engine has cams, heads and pistons designed and engineered by Buell. Although the engine is an Evo Sportster it has a higher redline better fuel economy fuel injection and a lot more torque and HP than any HD of the same displacement. And it's 1203 cc.

Bike has the Race ECM and Pro Buell Header and Can. On the Dyno it puts out 97 lbs of torque and 98 HP at the wheel.

No IL4 comes close to the torque output and that's what makes the bike fun to ride. Only an idiot would want to run 170MPH on the street.

Spd Frk

11-29-2009, 02:57 PM

1Kurgan1

11-29-2009, 11:45 PM

Was I wrong that the engine is a single crank pin engine? Wow lots of engine work on a 1203cc and a hole 98 horsepower .Only a * would think thats alot.If an idiot would go 170 on the street why put performance parts on your bike.

That about 80 - 85 hp/liter, you really are ignorant if you think thats not much, especially on something that light. Remember his bike isn't a crotch rocket it's a sport bike, and it's torquey.

Wile E

11-30-2009, 12:14 AM

Those are not cams .Thats a single crank pin engine .Both pistons are on the same crankshaft pin.Thats what makes that sound that Harley posers like and want you to think are cams.Killer top end for a Harley maybe but any sportbike 600cc and more would walk away from that 1930s tech peice of crap.

My friend, I have worked on all manners of engines for so long in my life, that I know the difference between the standard burble of a Harley-style engine, and the burble caused by long duration cams with lots of overlap.

And yes, I was referring to killer top end for a "Harley". And his Buell would kill those sport bikes from a dig. Buells have torque curves most sport bikes could only dream of.

Personally, I aim to buy a Busa, so I'm not a Harley or Buell fan, but I respect them for their unique attributes.

Mussels

11-30-2009, 02:57 AM

its an engine on wheels. stop the fucking pissing contest over it.

Wile E

11-30-2009, 03:41 AM

its an engine on wheels. stop the fucking pissing contest over it.

Meh, you're just jealous.

Mussels

11-30-2009, 03:46 AM

Meh, you're just jealous.

not a fan of bikes - had my jaw crushed thanks to one.

Wile E

11-30-2009, 03:52 AM

not a fan of bikes - had my jaw crushed thanks to one.

Then you're just a fairy for not getting back on and riding again. (r) (nutkick)

1Kurgan1

11-30-2009, 05:40 AM

its an engine on wheels. stop the fucking pissing contest over it.

That could be said with comparing anything. It's just money stop the pissing contest, it's just a car stop the pissing contest, it's just a computer stop the pissing contest. It sounds good, but really, anyone alive has something they are proud of.

not a fan of bikes - had my jaw crushed thanks to one.

Most of my injuries are me being a little too sure of myself. I almost died on a snowmobile, but didn't make me hate them any, it was my mistake, I love riding snowmobiles each year to this day.

Mussels

11-30-2009, 05:44 AM

kurgan: you cant see all the edits i can see ;) - things got naughty in here

oh and until you've had to eat food through a straw for like, 3 months - you havent been injured

Wile E

11-30-2009, 07:41 AM

kurgan: you cant see all the edits i can see ;) - things got naughty in here

oh and until you've had to eat food through a straw for like, 3 months - you havent been injured

Still wouldn't stop me from doing something I love. I love drag racing. If I was in a wreck that put me in ICU for a year, I'd still go back to racing. It would be the same if I owned a bike.

Face it, you're a weak little pansy-boy. (r) And I thought you aussies were supposed to be tough. (u) :D

Spd Frk

11-30-2009, 10:16 AM

That about 80 - 85 hp/liter, you really are ignorant if you think thats not much, especially on something that light. Remember his bike isn't a crotch rocket it's a sport bike, and it's torquey.
Sport bikes are crotch rockets.I geuss I dont think thats much power because Im used to the 164 rear wheel horsepower that my 1000cc ZX10 puts out.Why are Harleys graded on a different curve with you guys.

pbmaster

11-30-2009, 04:38 PM

Sport bikes are crotch rockets.I geuss I dont think thats much power because Im used to the 164 rear wheel horsepower that my 1000cc ZX10 puts out.Why are Harleys graded on a different curve with you guys.

There is a pretty big difference between sport bikes and crotch rockets. My Ninja 250R puts out around 30 HP at the rear wheel, but it will still beat almost any car I see on the road off the line. Harelys and the like also don't rev to over 13k RPMs either, that's why the power curve is graded differently. Your ZX10-R is also an inline 4 cylidner bike. Completely different machine.

1Kurgan1

11-30-2009, 05:56 PM

kurgan: you cant see all the edits i can see ;) - things got naughty in here

oh and until you've had to eat food through a straw for like, 3 months - you havent been injured

No, didn't figure there was any edits since there was only yours and Wile E's post after mine, but I have been hurt details below :(

I broke all my ribs on my right side, on the back of those ribs, then I cracked my sternum in half, broke my right arm, 2 ribs that broke punctured my right lung which filled completely with blood, another rib lacerated my liver, another bruised my kidney, then I broke a huge chunk off my hip. Courtesy of my snowmobile accident, I woke up one day with my pastor in my room praying for me... and I'm like "wtf I'll be fine". Same with at the scene of the accident, I was in shock and my mom was crying, I'm on an ambulance stretcher and I'm the one telling her it will be ok.

But like I said, this was caused by me, I should have been more cautious, and I would never just give up on snowmobiles. Everyone was so shocked when I hoped back on one, I don't see why, was rider error before, lets just hope it doesn't happen again. If it does oh well, expect me to be back for more punishment again.

Sport bikes are crotch rockets.I geuss I dont think thats much power because Im used to the 164 rear wheel horsepower that my 1000cc ZX10 puts out.Why are Harleys graded on a different curve with you guys.

Sport bikes look a bit like crotch rockets, but they are a more grunt type motor, they don't spin to the same crazy RPM's. For example, a Suzuki GSXR 750 puts out like 20 - 30 more whp than CD's 1203cc Buell. And another good example is, your 1000cc bike is almost double the whp of CD's bike that has a bigger motor.

CyberDruid

12-01-2009, 03:34 PM

The reason I got pissy is I hate trolls. A troll is someone that comes into a thread and craps on it. And there's no reason for anyone to crap on anyone's thread here. Am I wrong? Is this how the Forum is going to be moderated?

I'd just as soon the whole thread was deleted as suffer trolling. If the mods don't think it's important then I guess this will be where trolls run free. Not my call.

I started the thread to discuss the Marque... not as some sort of pissing match. I never claimed Buells are the greatest bikes ever made, or that they have more horsepower than bike X.

But I cannot help but take offense at someone calling my bike a piece of Harley shit when it isn't. If that's not trolling what is?

It's not about my bike it's about respect.

WhiteNoise

12-01-2009, 07:56 PM

Crotch Rocket is just slang for sport bike. /end

I'm not a Buell or HD fan but I do think they are cool and I'd own a Buell for sure. All that torque gives me a hard on.

I ride Kawasaki myself. I'm on my 2nd Ninja. I've owned around 14-15 motorcycles in my 30 years of riding.

1Kurgan1

12-02-2009, 12:13 AM

Crotch Rocket is just slang for sport bike. /end

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/galleries/ig/Bike-Types/index.01.htm

I tell you what, I'm sure not calling his Buell a "naked bike". Riding a bike like his Buell (a sports bike) and riding a Crotch Rocket, theres a reason it's called a crotch rocket, I wouldn't ride the Buell in the same manner, and it most likely would ride much better and be more comfortable.

WhiteNoise

12-04-2009, 09:45 PM

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/galleries/ig/Bike-Types/index.01.htm

I tell you what, I'm sure not calling his Buell a "naked bike". Riding a bike like his Buell (a sports bike) and riding a Crotch Rocket, theres a reason it's called a crotch rocket, I wouldn't ride the Buell in the same manner, and it most likely would ride much better and be more comfortable.

crotchrocket
Term used to describe sportbikes., which are street bikes derived from race-bike technology. Often used in a derogatory manner.
I'd rather own a Harley than a crotchrocket.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crotchrocket&defid=136164

Crotch Rocket
Definition: A term describing aggressive sportbikes, usually in reference to their compact but high-performance capabilities.
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/motorcycleglossary/g/crotch_rocket.htm
Pronunciation: kroch rok-it

Motorcycle Glossary Dictionary Term - Crotch Rocket
Crotch Rocket: A term some people use to describe a high-performance sportbike motorcycle. If you want to know more about the real world of sportbikes and forget about the commonly used term, Crotch Rocket, check out a good sportbike forum. These forums allow you to converse with real sportbike riders and racers. We also don't encourage new riders to buy sportbikes as their first bike. It's better to buy a cheap bike to learn on. A new sportbike is fast, touchy, and doesn't have much margin for error. It also costs a lot to repair when you tip it over while you're learning to ride.
http://motorcycleviews.com/glossary/crotchrocketterm.htm

I can go on all day...the term Crotch-rocket has always been slang for sport bikes in general.

1Kurgan1

12-04-2009, 11:42 PM

crotchrocket
Term used to describe sportbikes., which are street bikes derived from race-bike technology. Often used in a derogatory manner.
I'd rather own a Harley than a crotchrocket.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crotchrocket&defid=136164

Crotch Rocket
Definition: A term describing aggressive sportbikes, usually in reference to their compact but high-performance capabilities.
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/motorcycleglossary/g/crotch_rocket.htm
Pronunciation: kroch rok-it

Motorcycle Glossary Dictionary Term - Crotch Rocket
Crotch Rocket: A term some people use to describe a high-performance sportbike motorcycle. If you want to know more about the real world of sportbikes and forget about the commonly used term, Crotch Rocket, check out a good sportbike forum. These forums allow you to converse with real sportbike riders and racers. We also don't encourage new riders to buy sportbikes as their first bike. It's better to buy a cheap bike to learn on. A new sportbike is fast, touchy, and doesn't have much margin for error. It also costs a lot to repair when you tip it over while you're learning to ride.
http://motorcycleviews.com/glossary/crotchrocketterm.htm

I can go on all day...the term Crotch-rocket has always been slang for sport bikes in general.

I don't care what definitions say, I wasn't arguing the definition, I know that the term Crotch Rocket can be used for Sport bikes, I wasn't arguing that, if you check back, you'll see I was saying that I personally think it makes more sense to call them Sport Bikes. There is an obvious difference between a Sport Bike and a Crotch rocket, or if I put it in your words, a Crotch Rocket and a Crotch Rocket (that doesn't make much sense now does it?). To show the difference I personally label them different because they have different goals and it makes things less confusing (check my previous crotch rocket or crotch rocket statement).

I too could go all day also, it makes no sense, and a ton of things don't go by their technical names, but a nick name. I mean think of Crescent Wrench or Dremel, I could go right down to any hardware shop and ask them where ther Black and Decker Dremels are at and they would bring me right to them, when they technically aren't a dremel.

Spd Frk

12-05-2009, 03:31 PM

I have to apoligize to Cyber Druid for my short sighted rant on him and his bike.Im a welder not a writer and its hard for me to put into words the narrow bands of thought that I expeirence when I see this brand name.I think of the assholes that flick their ciggerete butts and spit at me from their cars and trucks with the Harley decal prominent in their back window.This happens so often that I consider it a road hazard that is to be avoided.I think of the poser bitch on a sportster that gave me a thumbs down as we passed on the road.I thought of the group of Harley riders I recently crossed paths with and heard rice burner and something something Jap bike being yelled at me.I truly forgot where I was.So instead of cellibrating a fellow bike rider and I think the only other person to put a video on T.P.U. of their bike I trash talk him and his bike.This I truly regret and hope that you will accept my sincere and humble appology.

CyberDruid

12-06-2009, 01:07 AM

Spd Frk

12-07-2009, 11:26 PM

Just so you know the HD guys hate Buells and Buell riders too.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4984/t90015.jpg
Does that look like a Harley?

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2870/dyno090.jpg
How about those?

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6919/dyno1125r.jpg
Baseline on the 1125r box stock

I didnt know they hated you too.They yell rice burner at me.I tried to think of what they yell at you.All I could think of was meat and potatos burner or double cheeseburger basket burner or maybe coney dog burner.This just made me hungry.As for the bike,before this thread I would have simply called it a sport bike.But after reading the post I would say that it looks like a sport bike with a crotch rocket motor.

1Kurgan1

12-08-2009, 01:09 AM

I would call that a crotch rocket, it has the fairing to go with it.

http://www.partsandmotorcycles.com/bikes/wp-images/807top.jpg
vs.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/content/images/600/08YZFR1_blk_1_aafcc218.jpg

Bottom bike is a Yamaha R1, notice the fairing, here's what I would call a sport bike (like CD's). And the top bike is the same one CD mentioned, the 1125R. The one thing though is, even with an extra 125cc's on the R1, the Buell still is down about 15 - 20hp oddly.

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006-Kawasaki-Z750Se-small.jpg

Thats a bike my friend had it's a Kawasaki 750S, was a nice bike, a lot like a crotch rocket, but much more road friendly. Easier to ride, didn't have to lean forward as far or even at all, with the bigger windshield you could sit up and ride a lot more comfortably. But it didn't have the RPM's like a crotch rocket or the power, it was faster than my other friends old 600, but any newer 600's or 750's would have ripped him apart.

CyberDruid

12-13-2009, 04:08 PM

One thing about HD power is that it likes to puke a mist of water vapor and oil from the breathers in the head. For emissions Buell had theintake scarfing up the snot but I prefer to blow it into a can.

I took some Tygon 3603, some watercooling fittings and replumbed it into a aluminum bottle.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/693/ice019.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/ice019.jpg/)

n00bs will probably think it's a NOS bottle. Smaller catch cans don't work well...the amount of blow by and turbulence just sprays the puke right out of them.

1Kurgan1

12-13-2009, 08:59 PM

That catch can looks nice, I like it.

Steevo

12-15-2009, 04:46 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_XTZ_750

My brother owned a gold one. Top speed was 120MPH gear limited. Quick to get there, easy to ride.

A friend picked up a Agusta that was 1000cc and after a few trips on that I decided inside a car/truck was much safer for me. The speedo and all else was in Italian/Km so what ever 250Km/H is.

It was too fast, I followed it through a corner, losing badly in my truck and started to flat slide and almost ditched the truck (400 small block 12.5:1 popups, 650CFM quadrapuke, dual 2.5" exhaust with almost straight pipes, balanced rotating assembly, "3/4" cam or whatever that means)

Better dead in a tin can than splattered.

CyberDruid

12-15-2009, 11:35 AM

HD killed off MV Augusta too. MV is a great marque and it's sad to see irresponsible corporate stewardship bring them down.

I'll be tinkering on the bikes some more today. I have an HMF exhaust arriving for the 1125r. Not sure I really want to make the bike any louder but I do like to mess about. I might just run it for a day then list the HMF on eBay if it's too annoying.

CyberDruid

01-12-2010, 01:06 AM

These madmen from Norway are riding their antique Nimbus Sidecar rigs around the world. They make a stop by Erik Buell's Racing Garage to repair their machines, listen to Erik Jam out on the guitar and drink whiskey.

Crazy bastards(toast)

oVEZBIVqOdI

Papahyooie

01-12-2010, 01:55 AM

I'm not a buell fan. My friend in high school had a (i think) 500cc blast or something like that, and it sounded terrible. Kind of like a dirt bike...

That being said, CD you ride whatever the F*** you want! And dont let anyone tell you different. People who snub thier noses at any type of bike are totally missing the whole point of riding bikes: freedom. Its about the wind in your hair, strapping your bags on for the weekend, scraping your toes on the corners, lifting the front tire, getting smacked in the face with a bird... all those things you just cant do in a car. (ok convertables just don't compare, dont gimme that shit)
Anyone whos gonna look down on someone for what they ride is missing the point, and dont deserve to call themselves bikers. Every year I go to mississippi for the little sturgis rally (still havent gone to SD, since i've been of age anyway) and theres 2 honda cruisers, 2 yamaha cruisers, 3 harleys, one kaw cruiser, a suzuki m109r, i've ridden an 83 kaw 750LTD, a suzu GS500, and my gixxer, and anyone else who wants to tag along. CCs range from 500 to 2000, american and japs all together, and we ALL have a blast.

So ride your buell man. Long as you love it, screw everyone else.

CyberDruid

01-23-2010, 12:11 AM

Just to show you cannot keep a good man down http://www.ebracing.com/shop/index.htm

I ordered a Race Use Only ECM from Erik tonight. Me so happy. Can't wait till they have the full race exhaust listed. I might have to sell one of my organs.

Papahyooie

01-23-2010, 12:35 AM

mmm racing ECM.... you'll have some fun with that! (toast)

Wile E

01-23-2010, 09:11 AM

CyberDruid

01-23-2010, 02:21 PM

Programmable or no?

No, I got the $250 version that cannot be programmed using the Buell SW. It probably can be hacked by ECM spy and the BDFIII tuner though.

The programmable one is $750 :o

According to the info this one is "Plug and Play" for open exhaust and freer flowing intake.

Frankly I don't have the dosh to pay a tuner so PnP is best right now.

I'll let you know how it works out :)

Wile E

01-24-2010, 04:09 AM

No, I got the $250 version that cannot be programmed using the Buell SW. It probably can be hacked by ECM spy and the BDFIII tuner though.

The programmable one is $750 :o

According to the info this one is "Plug and Play" for open exhaust and freer flowing intake.

Frankly I don't have the dosh to pay a tuner so PnP is best right now.

I'll let you know how it works out :)
Cool. I was just curious. I'm definitely interested in how it pans out for you.

Now, what octane gas does it require? And just out of curiosity, is there anywhere nearby you can do a before and after dyno run for cheap? That would be hella cool.

In case you couldn't tell, I really like power mods on anything with an engine. lol.

CyberDruid

01-24-2010, 01:55 PM

And I like anyone that reads posts about Buell motorcycles and doesn't piss in my Wheaties :D

The HD Dyno is close by. For $65 I can easily get a back to back set of data to peruse. My only concern is the HD guys using the Race ECM as an excuse to deny me warranty service. I might have to buy my AR-15 back and go Waco on them if that happens.

Soooooo I am not sure if I even want them to know...I'll see if I can find a non HD Dyno service...that might be better for me.

CyberDruid

01-24-2010, 04:08 PM

xWw_9RNW3y0

I can do that(u)

(slap)

:p

pbmaster

01-24-2010, 07:18 PM

Rule of the internet: Pics(vid) or it didn't happen lol

VulkanBros

01-24-2010, 07:53 PM

Nice bike..the Buell......but..The One and Only (for me):
Ducati 916....

CyberDruid

01-24-2010, 08:38 PM

Yes the Ducati is in a class of it's own. And like any high strung Italian machine the cost of maintenance is also in a class of it's own. For me the true cost of ownership begins after the purchase: what will it cost to keep the beast on the road? My 2000 X-1 needs very little to keep in tune. Hydraulic pushrods may not be sexy like Desmodromic valve actuactors but guess what: I don't have to pay out the ass to keep riding. To me that is a HUGE plus. Not sure how the BRG Rotax powered 1125r will fare in that regard. I know it requires shimming much like a Ducati but not sure about the intervals or the dealer charges.

And you have to be built like a jockey to fit on a Ducati. Seriously. I'm 6-4 so there's another reason I love Buell: built for big fat Americans :)

But if I just wanted a "coffee table" bike to park in my living room and drool over the Ducati is first choice.

Wile E

01-24-2010, 11:33 PM

I love the sound of the Ducatis as well.

I'd probably just buy a jap bike tho. GSXR or similar.

VulkanBros

01-25-2010, 06:25 PM

Well..I am not familiar with the american measurements...I am 1.92 centimeters
and I have no problem fitting on my 916....

I am currently trying to sell my 916 and when that happens, hopefully I´ll get a Triumph Daytona 675....nice little bike or a Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade....nice bigger bike...

I terms of cost to keep the Ducati running...yes you are right....they are not cheap ... thats one of the main things, why I am looking for at new (to me) used bike...but man...the sound and handling of the 916 is phenomenal...I have had a few bikes in my life (Honda VFR 800 and a Kawasaki ZX 10) .... and nothing comes close the the Ducati in terms of handling (and sound).....

Papahyooie

01-25-2010, 11:08 PM

Ducatis... fast, agile... and ugly as hell. :p just kidding, to each his own. I'd like to have one just to say i had it lol. But i'd probably never ride it for fear of messing it up, and it makes me sick when bikes dont get ridden.

CyberDruid

01-26-2010, 11:53 PM

I have a friend in California that owns one and rides it as much as he can. It's a beauty...factory carbon fiber everything, Termignoni exhaust, all the things you expect from a classic Duc. I'm jealous but I do love my Buell.

EBR has shipped out a Race ECM with a street calibration mapped onto just for me. I'm tinkled pink. Should be here Friday. It's supposed to snow Friday :o

Papahyooie

01-27-2010, 12:54 AM

It's supposed to snow Friday :o

DAMN THE LUCK! Hate it when that happens.

CyberDruid

01-27-2010, 12:59 AM

The nicely priced Race ECM from EBR is creating Havoc with the aftermarket ECM Hackers. They get between $350 and $800 to remap a stock ECU with calibrations they have derived using their own bikes and dyno facilities. Over at badweatherbikers.com a regular cat fight broke out with the aftermarket guys jumping EBR...which is simply bizarre. I mean who better to produce and market a remapped ECM than the guy who designed and built the bike in the first place?

Papahyooie

01-27-2010, 01:03 AM

maybe a link to this? I'd like to see exactly what youre talking about, sounds interesting. looking for it now myself, but if its a forum i doubt i'll find it.

edit: grr cant see the forums at my work anyway

CyberDruid

01-27-2010, 03:19 PM

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/531998.html?1264605288

Not only is it supposed to snow I have to drive out of town to take my 3-year old to a dentist. So Friday will be shot. If it's clear Saturday I might go over to the dealer and get Dyno Runs done back to back to see the difference between stock and race ECMs.

CyberDruid

01-27-2010, 05:21 PM

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Wile E

01-27-2010, 10:51 PM

I needz more dyno runs.

Imsochobo

01-28-2010, 01:47 PM

and where is this awesome, except that the bike deffy is cool :D
I do like, wonder what a lil turbo wud do to this bike!

Doesnt look nice, but:
A proper engine with turbo :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud_gXPCMUDw&feature=related

And the guy deffy knows his stuff :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShacMAn_HK8

CyberDruid

01-28-2010, 08:41 PM

Exclusive interview with EB http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/682/5642/Motorcycle-Article/Erik-Buell-Interview-Exclusive.aspx

CyberDruid

01-30-2010, 02:10 AM

The bike is finally right. It was needy and now it is fit. Uploading a couple of vids. Huge Snow Storm happening right now so no road vids...but even though it was 27F I had to get on the road...and if it had not started snowing I would still be out there:)

More everything...smoother, better throttle action at lower speeds and more usable RPM, faster accelleration, it's amazing.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8323/ecm005.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7104/ecm006.jpg

CyberDruid

01-30-2010, 06:38 PM

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Wile E

01-31-2010, 04:08 AM

Track days only my ass. More like for every day that isn't an inspection day. lol.

CyberDruid

01-31-2010, 01:50 PM

(Sgt Schultz Voice) I see nothing I hear noooooooothing

CyberDruid

02-02-2010, 02:01 AM

Most dyno data represents WOT maximum power. EBR mapping addresses critical partial throttle drivability. This is not dictated by emissions requirements. When trying to stay connected to what is happening at the edge of traction, the feeling to the rider and behavior of the engine is everything.
Feel and control of traction = confidence.
There is MUCH more consideration regarding on track performance embedded in EBR's map construction.
Starting and warm-up strategies, correction tables, throttle transition character ( accell AND decell ), engine braking behavior, torque production throughout the rev range and throttle position, etc.
Building a map on a dyno is only part of the puzzle. WOT power graphs represent WOT power. Discussing power gains @ 4000 rpm at 100% throttle is irrelevant. How the engine responds @ 3% throttle when cracking open the plates mid-corner at the edge of traction is very important.
EBR will strive to implement the DECADES of racing experience into every product.
If the end user feels the Race ECM mapping improves his/her personal experience, that's money well spent.
I'd bet the power gains will make them smile as well.
Again, no engine management system (or Map) will be a "one size fits all". The end user must consider if their bike configuration is within the stated specification. Communication is the key here. Planning your upgrades to work as a complimentary system will pay off in the end. Call and let Erik's guys help you eliminate frustrating variables. The EBR data base for popular component combinations will grow for sure - just keep in mind the parts for sale through EBR have been developed through the above process.
EBR sells what they race and race what they sell.

Posted on my ECM thread at BadWeb by an EBR elf.

CyberDruid

02-03-2010, 02:47 PM

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/79/533824.jpg

Chassis dyno. This data is generated on a Superflow cycledyn chassis dyno. A standard rear wheel and tire @ 35psi. These pulls are done in 4th gear (17x44 sprockets) useing a "roll on" type run with a constant 10% load on the eddy brake. There is no forced air into the airbox in the dyno cell. Adjustments to the fueling table (for RAM air / high speed load compensation) are made based from on track data logging.
The RR spec airbox REALLY allows the engine to breath.
Buell also owned a Dynojet 250 eddy brake chassis dyno which allowed comparison of different makes and models for "apple to apple" back to back tests.

So far EBR has built 3 1190RR SuperBikes and one is in the hands of a race team in Europe for testing and development.

http://pegasusraceteam.com/html/buell_1190_rr.html

No shots of the complete bike yet but it has some significant differences.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9339/dbbuell1190rrshowerhead.gif

CyberDruid

02-13-2010, 03:32 PM

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=43&article_id=2119

Great interview with Erik Buell (recent).

CyberDruid

04-20-2010, 01:39 AM

Update on the 1125r.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/bikes017.jpg

Wile E

04-20-2010, 01:56 AM

EBR sticker?

CyberDruid

04-20-2010, 12:01 PM

And Bar End Mirrors and Flush mount turn signals.

Over 11K miles and still smiling.

Q7CiEkA170M

CyberDruid

04-21-2010, 01:54 AM

Did some more tinkering tody.a

I modded the Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor by extending the lead and relocating it over the front throttle body. Theory behind this mod is that IAT location at the mouth of the snorkel will give false high temp readings and lean out the mixture whenever the bike is not moving along at a good clip. This only happens at low speeds like stop and go traffic (or climbing a steep gravel drive;)). But having the IAT sensor reading the actual air about to get sucked into the engine makes sense to me. Not sure why Buell located it where they did, maybe to fool the EPA since most testing would be done with the bike on a dyno so the IAT sensor would read way hot.

And I like to tinker.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3429/iatrelocate010.jpg
Here's the finished deal. The IAT is the thing stuck in the lower airbox on the front left. There's an inner airbox cover (removed) that seals onto that flat piece. With the inner cover in place the only place air enters the sealed box is through the snorkel (the narrow slot at the very front of the flat piece). By removing the inner cover there is much less restriction. The outer airbox cover has a good sized gap around the perimter providing at least double the intake area of the snorkel. Downside is without the sealed airbox the Ram Air effect is lost so no power boost at 140 MPH+ . And it's louder and vibrates my gentlemen's parts when I'm humping the airbox like a Silverback Gorilla.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1817/iatrelocate005.jpg
Here's the snorkel. Where I fished the lead through that grommet is where the IAT used to locate. As you can see it is getting slammed by both radiator exhausts and the header pipe. So at slower speeds it's reading a false high temperature.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6681/iatrelocate002.jpg
With the filter off it's pretty clear the IAT sensor is in the immediate airstream that enters the throttle body. If the bike sits for a long time the reported temp rises, but not as dramatically as before.

I was racing against a storm front so I made do with what I could scrounge together. I would prefer to use a proper Deutsch plug and Techflex heat resistant sheathing like the rest of the bike. Maybe later.

EDIT: Ha, the temps were higher in the airbox so I went back to stock. Just goes to show you can't expect to improve on the factory set up that easily.

CyberDruid

04-23-2010, 02:29 PM

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4926/dbbuell1125rexperimenta.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1019/webri.jpg
1190RR

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3787/webf.jpg
1125R with their crazy looking bodywork.

TechnicalFreak

05-01-2010, 09:00 PM

Sunday - knee to the street..
Beautiful rides.

CyberDruid

05-09-2010, 07:00 PM

I managed to revive her P3 after it sat idle for 5 years. Panic set in when i could not get the beast to fire off last night. But this morning I solved the problem and was able to ride her Blast up out of the shop and park it with the rest of the Buells.

The kids are finally old enough (3 and 6) that Mama is ready to ride again. And Papa is feeling pretty good too, cause when Mama's happy, everybody's happy.

And the best part of the story for me is not buying anything from Harley to get it done. God love Advance Auto Parts for having an AGM battery for a Buell Blast in stock. The rest was just grunt work...pulling and purging the fuel tank...rebuilding the carb...new DOT4 in the brake system...pulling the side cover to let out a cup of water, then a quart of oil...Novus 2 and S100 on the plastics...air up the tires. About 20 hours or so and her old P3 is running and looking good again.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers017.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers075.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers079.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers088.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers089.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/CyberDruidtheModGod/Mothers090.jpg

Mr McC

05-14-2010, 11:25 AM

I have always disliked Harleys, but I have always loved Buells: somebody needs to resurrect this company as I feel that the absence of Buell's unique approach is a very sad loss for the biking community. Didn't the Americans bail out Ducati not so long ago? Surely somebody can provide the investment to ensure that the Buell continue to grace our streets?

CyberDruid

05-14-2010, 12:10 PM

I know the feeling. But in truth Erik has only wanted one thing: to build an American GP Motorcycle to compete at the highest level of the sport. That's how he started and that's where he's still going with his company. HD leased the production rights for no-VIN race-only bikes to Erik for two years. He immediately formed EBR (Erik Buell Racing) which you can investigate here (http://erikbuellracing.com). Though sad for those of us looking forward to the street versions of his creations it is much more in line with Erik's vision of making the best race bikes in the world.

Considering the MILLIONS the top MFRs spend to keep their bikes on the podium and in the consumers' fickle field of view it's flat out amazing that a single individual with a handfull of employees is able to nip at their heels and show the world what a guy from Wisconsin can do. The latest from EBR is the 1190. These 180 HP bikes derive from the 1125r and use some of the same parts but are strictly for Racing. Pegasus Racing in Germany is currently fielding a pair of these lovelies and I look forward to seeing some good results in the near future.