New Camaro affordable lol

[DaMulta]

I find it funny that they said they would keep this car affordable, and true to it's roots.

I went and looked the other day. Around 30 thousand for a v6, and around 40 thousand for the v8 version. Hell the SS was 4 thousand over sticker price tag.

For that kind of money I think I would rather have a Charger......

[Wile E]

I would never buy a Charger. If I was in the makret for a new muscle car, I'd rather just buy a Mustang GT Premium for 30k, and call it a day. Chargers are mopar junk.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Chargers can't turn, Camaros can.

When demand dies down you'll be able to get base model Camaros around the 20-25k mark.

Also, take it from someone who's driven one... It's like an F body on steroids.

The V6 is faster than the stock F body V6 and the V8 blows it away!

[LittleLizard]

Or a monaro. I bet is cheaper and good performing as a camaro

[T3hPwn3r3r]

The American equivalent was actually more expensive.

[JC316]

I would go for the Challenger before any of the new sports car. It may be a porker, but it's damn sexy.

[Wile E]

I would go for the Challenger before any of the new sports car. It may be a porker, but it's damn sexy.

So you'd rather have good looking junk than a car that's built better but looks not as good?

[DaMulta]

Stupid me I meant the Challenger....not the Charger

http://www.dodge.com/en/2010/challenger/

[JC316]

So you'd rather have good looking junk than a car that's built better but looks not as good?

What makes it junk? I mean the Hemi isn't that bad, I think it uses the T-56 tranny, which is good. Seems to be solid to me.

[Wile E]

What makes it junk? I mean the Hemi isn't that bad, I think it uses the T-56 tranny, which is good. Seems to be solid to me.

Chrysler makes the least reliable vehicles of the American makers.

[JC316]

Chrysler makes the least reliable vehicles of the American makers.

Depends on the car IMO. I know that the interpid and seabring had HORRIBLE motors. I know that the automatic transmissions have issues and the trucks had suspension issues, but I haven't heard anything bad about the Challenger yet.

[DaMulta]

That's not so bad 23k for the v6 Challenger. 250hp, but you have to get an auto transmission. Yet the RT with the 5.7-Liter V8 HEMI® VVT Engine is 31k.

[JC316]

No way would I buy a 6 banger in ANY American sports car, especially in something as heavy as a Challenger or a Camaro.

[Wile E]

No way would I buy a 6 banger in ANY American sports car, especially in something as heavy as a Challenger or a Camaro.

The only way would be if it was turbo or SC. NA V6 in an American car automatically means it is not a muscle car, regardless of the model.

[erocker]

i would never buy a charger. If i was in the makret for a new muscle car, i'd rather just buy a mustang gt premium for 30k, and call it a day. Chargers are mopar junk.

+1

[1Kurgan1]

Honestly most of the new muscle cars aren't that appealing, they look great, but they come lacking options (which is exactly what I like), but they still manage to almost tip the scales at 2 tons... I mean how? Best bet for a brand new muscle car is the Mustang sadly, you can get the Camaro SS and be faster, but part for part after the weights just going to make it harder. A GTO is really the best bet on something newer thats a muscle car.

[JC316]

Honestly most of the new muscle cars aren't that appealing, they look great, but they come lacking options (which is exactly what I like), but they still manage to almost tip the scales at 2 tons... I mean how? Best bet for a brand new muscle car is the Mustang sadly, you can get the Camaro SS and be faster, but part for part after the weights just going to make it harder. A GTO is really the best bet on something newer thats a muscle car.

But the GTO is Aussie built and the parts (Non engine) are EXPENSIVE. I bought my Xbox 360 off from a guy that broke a wheel on his. It was 350 + 200 to ship it from Australia...

[1Kurgan1]

But the GTO is Aussie built and the parts (Non engine) are EXPENSIVE. I bought my Xbox 360 off from a guy that broke a wheel on his. It was 350 + 200 to ship it from Australia...

Yeah, the rims are very expensive, it would have been best for him to sell the 3 he had and pick up and aftermarket set of 11" wide rims for sticky goodness. But the rest of the parts aren't that cheap, they are around 3600 lbs, and have a serious power advantage on the Mustang, just a L92 head swap with a cam and you could be looking at over 450whp... thats some cheap speed. I've seen some blown ones going for around 20k, so tempting.

My personally feeling is, once you start breaking 3600 - 3700 lbs, it just becomes too much for anything thats not considered a luxury car. Part of the reason I am not a big fan of the new SHO, I mean I've had 5 of them, but being almost 4400lbs, thats too heavy as even a luxury car. Don't need to be sub 3000lbs I would say asking for a 3600lb muscle car aint asking for much, I just dont understand why these cars are so heavy, give me roll down windows, manual seats, radio delete option, sacrifice it all in the name of pure speed, or at least give the option too be able to.

[JC316]

Yeah, the rims are very expensive, it would have been best for him to sell the 3 he had and pick up and aftermarket set of 11" wide rims for sticky goodness. But the rest of the parts aren't that cheap, they are around 3600 lbs, and have a serious power advantage on the Mustang, just a L92 head swap with a cam and you could be looking at over 450whp... thats some cheap speed. I've seen some blown ones going for around 20k, so tempting.

My personally feeling is, once you start breaking 3600 - 3700 lbs, it just becomes too much for anything thats not considered a luxury car. Part of the reason I am not a big fan of the new SHO, I mean I've had 5 of them, but being almost 4400lbs, thats too heavy as even a luxury car. Don't need to be sub 3000lbs I would say asking for a 3600lb muscle car aint asking for much, I just dont understand why these cars are so heavy, give me roll down windows, manual seats, radio delete option, sacrifice it all in the name of pure speed, or at least give the option too be able to.

Yeah, like my Mustang. Nearly 300HP and 3200lbs. I can hang with the S197 stangs, I bet I could even make the LS1 GTO think twice. I will tell you one car that intrigues me and that is the Mazda RX8. If I were in the market for a sports car in the 15K range, I would be looking at it. 238HP out of a 1.3L Rotary engine is just flat out interesting to me.

[1Kurgan1]

Eh, if your 6ft tall, you would rethink the RX8, I sat in one and I'm 6' 3" I literally had to tilt my head and it still hit the roof, with the moonroof open I would be getting a nice hair restyling. MY friend who was 5' 8" fit just about perfect. And I don't know, rotarys just don't impress me. They make a nice amount of power for their size, but they suck more gas than a V8 that makes more power, hp/liter don't matter much if it takes more gas to get it done and has to have air forced through it to make anything decent.

Also for 15k, you could get something much better, I like how the RX8's look for the most part, but they were over priced, and under powered.

[JC316]

Eh, if your 6ft tall, you would rethink the RX8, I sat in one and I'm 6' 3" I literally had to tilt my head and it still hit the roof, with the moonroof open I would be getting a nice hair restyling. MY friend who was 5' 8" fit just about perfect. And I don't know, rotarys just don't impress me. They make a nice amount of power for their size, but they suck more gas than a V8 that makes more power, hp/liter don't matter much if it takes more gas to get it done and has to have air forced through it to make anything decent.

Also for 15k, you could get something much better, I like how the RX8's look for the most part, but they were over priced, and under powered.

I am 5'10". It would be one to look at for me, but I would probably be siting in a Mach 1, 99+ Cobra, or a C5 vette.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah any of those last 3 would be much better, for 15k you can get a 2000ish C5, just going to be a all around better car. I would like to get a C5 at some point, but with a kid, it would suck to not be able to drive everywhere with it in summer, so I may never have my Corvette :/

[Wile E]

15k would see me spending around 3k on a clean and solid s13, and dumping 12k into it. lol.

As far as muscle cars tho, the Mustang is the best bang for the buck, no matter how you look at it. Sure, the 90's F-bodies might have a killer drivetrain, but the chassis is complete garbage. GTO's and Corvettes are too overpriced, and Chysler is just junk.

And I also agree that these cars are getting ridiculous in weight. Not an once over 3400lbs is acceptable to me. Preferably, they need to be 3200lbs or under.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Camaro is the best muscle car on the market now, id rather buy an evo still

[JC316]

_FBi;16325']Camaro is the best muscle car on the market now, id rather buy an evo still

In Jamaica, I would too. All the twists and turns on the mountain roads would make an EVO a LOT of fun. My ideal car for driving in Jamaica would be a 300zx twin turbo. The drivers over there scare the HELL out of me, while riding in a bus to the zip line, there were several times that I thought someone was going to hit us.

[1Kurgan1]

15k would see me spending around 3k on a clean and solid s13, and dumping 12k into it. lol.

As far as muscle cars tho, the Mustang is the best bang for the buck, no matter how you look at it. Sure, the 90's F-bodies might have a killer drivetrain, but the chassis is complete garbage. GTO's and Corvettes are too overpriced, and Chysler is just junk.

And I also agree that these cars are getting ridiculous in weight. Not an once over 3400lbs is acceptable to me. Preferably, they need to be 3200lbs or under.

GTO's and Corvettes aren't actually over priced, C5's for around 15k isn't bad at all, and I've seen a few SC'd or TC'd GTO's for 18 - 20k, one of them was putting down something like 620whp, thats a lot of power, a newer car, and under 20k, hard to argue with.

[JC316]

GTO's and Corvettes aren't actually over priced, C5's for around 15k isn't bad at all, and I've seen a few SC'd or TC'd GTO's for 18 - 20k, one of them was putting down something like 620whp, thats a lot of power, a newer car, and under 20k, hard to argue with.

Yeah and the C5 in stock form is deceptively faster than the 348HP suggests. Those suckers will MOVE. Probably the fastest car that I have ever ridden in.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

In Jamaica, I would too. All the twists and turns on the mountain roads would make an EVO a LOT of fun. My ideal car for driving in Jamaica would be a 300zx twin turbo. The drivers over there scare the HELL out of me, while riding in a bus to the zip line, there were several times that I thought someone was going to hit us.

Jamaica me crazy :|

[Wile E]

GTO's and Corvettes aren't actually over priced, C5's for around 15k isn't bad at all, and I've seen a few SC'd or TC'd GTO's for 18 - 20k, one of them was putting down something like 620whp, thats a lot of power, a newer car, and under 20k, hard to argue with.

Yet, for much less, I can have a Mustang, and dump what I saved into making it faster. The fact is, the Mustang still has the bang for the buck crown, and pretty much always has.

[1Kurgan1]

Yet, for much less, I can have a Mustang, and dump what I saved into making it faster. The fact is, the Mustang still has the bang for the buck crown, and pretty much always has.

And for much less you also get a car that cant handle unless you invest more money into it. Also a much older car as I assume you mean a 5.0, older car will always be a cheaper route of coarse.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Research EP82 [GT Starlet]

[Wile E]

And for much less you also get a car that cant handle unless you invest more money into it. Also a much older car as I assume you mean a 5.0, older car will always be a cheaper route of coarse.

I'm talking about of a similar year to a Corvette. So a C5 Vette vs a Fox-4 GT of similar condition and mileage. With the money I save on initial purchase, the mods I can throw into the Stang make it faster in every arena.

Vette is just an overpriced car if your main concern is the end results for the money.

And if you are talking new cars, well, a quick search online still shows the Mustang to be the best bang-for-the-buck muscle car.

[1Kurgan1]

I'm talking about of a similar year to a Corvette. So a C5 Vette vs a Fox-4 GT of similar condition and mileage. With the money I save on initial purchase, the mods I can throw into the Stang make it faster in every arena.

Vette is just an overpriced car if your main concern is the end results for the money.

And if you are talking new cars, well, a quick search online still shows the Mustang to be the best bang-for-the-buck muscle car.

To get a GT of equal year to Vette performance is going to take a good amount of money, and thats just in terms of speed, you are going to need to be forcing some sort of air, or be running headers, cam, and a few other bolt ons. Then move to the handling department, honestly 15k for a Vette is a great price for a car that can do everything well right out of the box.

As far as best muscle car, maybe, but 2010 raised the base price, its over 31k now for a GT, and a Camaro 1SS is about 31k (its actually $200 cheaper than a Mustang GT), for the exact same price you get over 100hp more, and the GT is even getting pretty piggy now getting close to 3600lbs, there is only a 300lb weight difference, and they seem to handle about the same.

If I was going to a lot to buy a "new muscle car" I would probably choose the Camaro, but I just don't think I would buy one right now as I think they are all to heavy or under powered. I didn't think the Mustangs were that expensive now, thats unreal, the Camaro traps a good 7 - 8mph faster than a GT.

[Wile E]

To get a GT of equal year to Vette performance is going to take a good amount of money, and thats just in terms of speed, you are going to need to be forcing some sort of air, or be running headers, cam, and a few other bolt ons. Then move to the handling department, honestly 15k for a Vette is a great price for a car that can do everything well right out of the box.

As far as best muscle car, maybe, but 2010 raised the base price, its over 31k now for a GT, and a Camaro 1SS is about 31k (its actually $200 cheaper than a Mustang GT), for the exact same price you get over 100hp more, and the GT is even getting pretty piggy now getting close to 3600lbs, there is only a 300lb weight difference, and they seem to handle about the same.

If I was going to a lot to buy a "new muscle car" I would probably choose the Camaro, but I just don't think I would buy one right now as I think they are all to heavy or under powered. I didn't think the Mustangs were that expensive now, thats unreal, the Camaro traps a good 7 - 8mph faster than a GT.Who cares if it takes FI and a suspension to beat the Corvette? It's still faster and cheaper. Out of the box performance is of zero concern to me.

And I wouldn't buy a new mustang or camaro, tbh. They are both too heavy, but the Camaro is even worse. I would never buy one, EVER at those kind of weights. It's getting out of hand. They weigh as much as a small truck, and if GM still designs their cars like they have for most of their life, the chassis is still shit, like all the earlier F-bodies.


And what are you talking about? A GT starts at $28k.

[1Kurgan1]

Who cares if it takes FI and a suspension to beat the Corvette? It's still faster and cheaper. Out of the box performance is of zero concern to me.

And I wouldn't buy a new mustang or camaro, tbh. They are both too heavy, but the Camaro is even worse. I would never buy one, EVER at those kind of weights. It's getting out of hand. They weigh as much as a small truck, and if GM still designs their cars like they have for most of their life, the chassis is still shit, like all the earlier F-bodies.


And what are you talking about? A GT starts at $28k.

I don't care that it takes FI or anything to beat it, but what I'm saying is FI isn't cheap, and by the time your done putting FI and full suspension on that Mustang, it isn't going to be too far under 15k, infact it could be over 15k, so it wouldn't be cheaper in the end. And thats most likely putting it together yourself, which takes time, paying a shop to do it and most likely it would easily be over 15k, like I have been saying 15k is not a bad price for a Vette.

And I definitely agree on the weights. I feel the Mustang weight is fine, but if they add on anymore to it, then it won't be, ad it has picked up some weight, so hopefully it doesn't gain anymore. But I still think it's lacking some power for a modern muscle car, they should at least be aiming for LS1 power figures, I mean heck the LS1 came out 12 years ago.

[Wile E]

I don't care that it takes FI or anything to beat it, but what I'm saying is FI isn't cheap, and by the time your done putting FI and full suspension on that Mustang, it isn't going to be too far under 15k, infact it could be over 15k, so it wouldn't be cheaper in the end. And thats most likely putting it together yourself, which takes time, paying a shop to do it and most likely it would easily be over 15k, like I have been saying 15k is not a bad price for a Vette.

And I definitely agree on the weights. I feel the Mustang weight is fine, but if they add on anymore to it, then it won't be, ad it has picked up some weight, so hopefully it doesn't gain anymore. But I still think it's lacking some power for a modern muscle car, they should at least be aiming for LS1 power figures, I mean heck the LS1 came out 12 years ago.
No, it wouldn't be more than 15k. A clean Fox-4 GT goes for around $4000. $11000 is enough for an engine build with good rods and pistons and FI, AND a full suspension if you take the time to find the best prices. No matter how you look at it, it's cheaper to go faster in a Mustang instead of a Vette.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

a c4 with a SB 427 would be a nice runner or turbo 350 :)

[1Kurgan1]

No, it wouldn't be more than 15k. A clean Fox-4 GT goes for around $4000. $11000 is enough for an engine build with good rods and pistons and FI, AND a full suspension if you take the time to find the best prices. No matter how you look at it, it's cheaper to go faster in a Mustang instead of a Vette.

If 2000ish Mustangs were that cheap around here, then I would agree completely, but on average they are around $6000 - $7000 for a clean car, and seems to be the same on most Mustang forums too. For those prices, you wouldn't be doing any motor work, probably cobbling together the cheapest turbo kit you can fab, then putting the rest towards suspension, because an off the shelf half way decent turbo or sc kit is going to put you right around 10k in, then need to work on suspension, i nthe end I would rather spend the extra $1,000 - $2,000 for the Vette.

[JC316]

On top of that, the mustang was a cheap sports car, tends to have the living crap beat out of it from day 1, Vettes on the other hand cost a crapload more and are more of a status symbol, so they are likely better taken care of. Also, the resale value is better.

[Wile E]

On top of that, the mustang was a cheap sports car, tends to have the living crap beat out of it from day 1, Vettes on the other hand cost a crapload more and are more of a status symbol, so they are likely better taken care of. Also, the resale value is better.

These things don't concern me. Only speed. Plus I get to be faster, and have more than 1 passenger.

And all the $15k Vettes I've seen are high mileage cars, and the fact that they are now only $15k, shows that they don't hold there value that well.

[1Kurgan1]

These things don't concern me. Only speed. Plus I get to be faster, and have more than 1 passenger.

And all the $15k Vettes I've seen are high mileage cars, and the fact that they are now only $15k, shows that they don't hold there value that well.

Before you were saying that they were expensive, now they dont hold their value well? A basic C5 was maybe a bit over 40k, sitting at 15k almost a decade later and having lost a little more than half of it's value is quiet good. Something like a cobalt will loose that 50% value in like 2 - 3 years, and a decade old Mustang will have lost almost 75% of it's value.

Either way, not arguing you can't go fast for less, but the best route to that is buying something someones already done things too, used car, used parts, mark downs all around. By the time summer lands I should be able to tango with C5's without too much of an issue and I'll only have about $6,500 into my car. I havent browsed many classifieds right now, but I seen a 600whp Buick Regal (god what a wicked sleeper) for $12,000.

[Wile E]

Before you were saying that they were expensive, now they dont hold their value well? A basic C5 was maybe a bit over 40k, sitting at 15k almost a decade later and having lost a little more than half of it's value is quiet good. Something like a cobalt will loose that 50% value in like 2 - 3 years, and a decade old Mustang will have lost almost 75% of it's value.

Either way, not arguing you can't go fast for less, but the best route to that is buying something someones already done things too, used car, used parts, mark downs all around. By the time summer lands I should be able to tango with C5's without too much of an issue and I'll only have about $6,500 into my car. I havent browsed many classifieds right now, but I seen a 600whp Buick Regal (god what a wicked sleeper) for $12,000.

They are expensive for what you get, but they started at a much higher price as well. $45k down to $15k is not an example of something that holds value well. Never said anything about any other cars and their value retention.

And I disagree about buying a pre-modded car. 9/10 times they are beat on worse than the majority of the stock cars out there.

And luck can land a spectacular deal in anyone's lap. Those deals however, are not the status quo.

[1Kurgan1]

In general no car holds value well after being bought, except maybe a super car, thats why I doubt I would ever buy new, even buying a year old is just a much better choice. The nice thing about Vettes though is, they dont ever really dip under 10k ever (as a good condition driver), most cars will continue to depreciate until they get to $2,000, and by that time they are old enough to find rusty or abused ones for around $1,000.

But when looking to buy any sports car, especially something like a Mustang or a F Body, they most likely have lived a hard life, modded or not, even in V6 forms, almost anyone with a V6 muscle car (which they aren't) thinks they are also driving the fastest thing on earth. But it does take some wise shopping, and picking out a car thats been built to be abused, that way it doesn't matter so much.