Mustang 5.0 GT is back

[SK-1]

Now it has a healthy dose of balls.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/auto-shows/detroit/advanced-coverage-2011-ford-mustang-5.0-gt?cid=145
http://img.techpowerup.org/091230/Capture095.jpghttp://img.techpowerup.org/091230/Capture096.jpg

[JC316]

Yep, I bet they are gonna sell the SHIT out of those cars too. And the best part, 6 speed manual is standard now. Finally got rid of the aging 5 speeds.

[DaMulta]

They should go back to a 3 speed :P

[1Kurgan1]

I'm not much for Mustangs, but I like to finally see them come to the market with a 30k car that has some power under the hood. I'm just wondering if they will shave some weight or not, I hear GT's are getting around 3700lbs. If they added power, and shedded some weight, maybe that will get Chevys ass in gear to put the Camaro on a diet.

**EDIT**
I see they mention price hike :/ Thats such a mistake, the 300hp GT is the same price as the 426hp Camaro right now... Hopefully they think this through, maybe tack on 1k or so and don't get too greedy.

They should go back to a 3 speed :P

3 on the tree, that would make for some lightning fast shifting, lol!

[JC316]

I'm not much for Mustangs, but I like to finally see them come to the market with a 30k car that has some power under the hood. I'm just wondering if they will shave some weight or not, I hear GT's are getting around 3700lbs. If they added power, and shedded some weight, maybe that will get Chevys ass in gear to put the Camaro on a diet.

**EDIT**
I see they mention price hike :/ Thats such a mistake, the 300hp GT is the same price as the 426hp Camaro right now... Hopefully they think this through, maybe tack on 1k or so and don't get too greedy.



3 on the tree, that would make for some lightning fast shifting, lol!

The GT500 is the one that weighs so much. I think that the GT weighs like 3400lbs. The larger engine weighs 10lbs more than the 4.6L does.

3 on a tree = YUCK. I like having a top end and gas mileage.

[1Kurgan1]

Oh yeah I was kidding about 3 on the tree, would be the slowest shifting ever. But I just looked, looks like manual curb weight for the 2010's is 3533 and auto's is about 3600, I guess thats not bad at all considering thats curb weight, so 3300 maybe even 3250 dry weight. Sounds like a real nice combo, looks like they got the Camaro's beat by about 300lbs out the door, granted the mufflers on Camaro's are like 50lbs together, and they have some other very heavy factory items, either way, hopefully they keep that price hike small and create some good competition.

Whats going to be the big thing is how well it takes to modifications, now that they are stepping the power up to LS neighborhood, hopefully they left it with the ability to pick up power instead of putting on as much as they could to optimize it out the door (hope thats not the case since it's a liter behind the LS's).

[FordGT90Concept]

I see they mention price hike :/ Thats such a mistake, the 300hp GT is the same price as the 426hp Camaro right now... Hopefully they think this through, maybe tack on 1k or so and don't get too greedy.
There isn't much consumer confidence in GM so Ford probably thinks they can get away with charging more for the product from a more stable company. GM/Chrysler is still a sinking ship (http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/news/companies/gmac_bailout/index.htm).

[1Kurgan1]

There isn't much consumer confidence in GM so Ford probably thinks they can get away with charging more for the product from a more stable company. GM/Chrysler is still a sinking ship (http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/news/companies/gmac_bailout/index.htm).

Auto manufacturers rely on basic vehicle sales, family vehicles, gas efficient vehicles. People going out to buy a Muscle car aren't the same. And knowing how great the LS motors are, it's just a solid platform. The Camaro has been out selling the Mustang pretty badly since it released, this bump in power could swing that, unless they jack the price up too high.

Muscle cars are about cheap speed, if it gets close to 40k to get just a basic GT, thats is everything but a muscle car, they better just toss full suspension under it then and go for sports car. But seeing as even the GT 500 has basic Mustang GT suspension (thats sad for adding 20k to the price) I would think that Ford might not even make a full suspenioned/5.0 GT for 40k.

[Wile E]

Auto manufacturers rely on basic vehicle sales, family vehicles, gas efficient vehicles. People going out to buy a Muscle car aren't the same. And knowing how great the LS motors are, it's just a solid platform. The Camaro has been out selling the Mustang pretty badly since it released, this bump in power could swing that, unless they jack the price up too high.

Muscle cars are about cheap speed, if it gets close to 40k to get just a basic GT, thats is everything but a muscle car, they better just toss full suspension under it then and go for sports car. But seeing as even the GT 500 has basic Mustang GT suspension (thats sad for adding 20k to the price) I would think that Ford might not even make a full suspenioned/5.0 GT for 40k.

The Mustang is rolling advertising tho. It's brand recognition. It doesn't matter what cars are either company's bread and butter, it's the Mustangs, Corvettes and Camaros that get peoples' attention.

Sorry to say tho, the Camaro has not outsold the Mustang in 2009. Year to date figures as of the Dec 2 posting for the Mustang is 60,096 whereas the Camaro has sold 54,100 as of Dec 5.
http://www.camaroblog.com/blog/1039519_november-2009-chevrolet-camaro-sales-figures-released
http://www.mustangblog.com/blog/1039457_november-2009-ford-mustang-sales-figures-released

And while the LS series of engines are spectacular, GM has a long track record of putting killer engines in shit bodies. I'd take a Ford over a GM any day, based solely on that.

At any rate, it excellent to see them going DOHC in the GT, with VVT to boot. They should've added VVT to the DOHC a long time ago.

[FordGT90Concept]

@1Kurgan1: That's not the point I was trying to make. Cars are very signficant investments and people won't buy new cars from an unstable company that might not be able to honor their warranties. That stops people that would otherwise buy the vehicle from buying it. Warranty repairs can easily be worth the price difference between a 426hp Chevrolet and a 300hp Ford thusly making Ford the better choice regardless of build quality and features.

[jmcslob]

@1Kurgan1: That's not the point I was trying to make. Cars are very signficant investments and people won't buy new cars from an unstable company that might not be able to honor their warranties. That stops people that would otherwise buy the vehicle from buying it. Warranty repairs can easily be worth the price difference between a 426hp Chevrolet and a 300hp Ford thusly making Ford the better choice regardless of build quality and features.
Man I would have taken either car before reading your post...

Now I'm worried about my cobalt..

Thanks Ford

[FordGT90Concept]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Uncle Sam has made it clear he won't be pulling GM off life support any time soon. I just wouldn't be keen on buying a new GM vehicle because 2010 or 2012 elections could see GM's life support abruptly ended.

[1Kurgan1]

The Mustang is rolling advertising tho. It's brand recognition. It doesn't matter what cars are either company's bread and butter, it's the Mustangs, Corvettes and Camaros that get peoples' attention.

Sorry to say tho, the Camaro has not outsold the Mustang in 2009. Year to date figures as of the Dec 2 posting for the Mustang is 60,096 whereas the Camaro has sold 54,100 as of Dec 5.
http://www.camaroblog.com/blog/1039519_november-2009-chevrolet-camaro-sales-figures-released
http://www.mustangblog.com/blog/1039457_november-2009-ford-mustang-sales-figures-released

And while the LS series of engines are spectacular, GM has a long track record of putting killer engines in shit bodies. I'd take a Ford over a GM any day, based solely on that.

At any rate, it excellent to see them going DOHC in the GT, with VVT to boot. They should've added VVT to the DOHC a long time ago.

Yep, the sports car are what attract people to a brand, even if they aren't going to buy those cars. But remember with your sales figures, the Camaro is a 2010, it hasn't been on sale for the full 2009 year. They only started selling in april, their worst month to date has been almost 7,000 sold, with jan, feb, march missed, it would most likely have cracked 70k, giving it a 10k sales lead over the Mustang in 09.

I don't care a ton about chassis, as if your going to make any serious power, any of these cars will need work on that anyways. Its nice to just see them actually make the GT a true muscle car though.

@1Kurgan1: That's not the point I was trying to make. Cars are very signficant investments and people won't buy new cars from an unstable company that might not be able to honor their warranties. That stops people that would otherwise buy the vehicle from buying it. Warranty repairs can easily be worth the price difference between a 426hp Chevrolet and a 300hp Ford thusly making Ford the better choice regardless of build quality and features.

The way I see it is, that GM most likely isn't going anywhere, just like the AMD / NV DX11 issue atm, NV isn't going anywhere, if GM fell off the map I would be surprised. I'm still kind of confused how GM is doing so bad, the Camaro is selling well, their line of trucks always has done well, they utilize a lot of the same frame structures and motors across vehicle lines. And they have cheap sports cars (cobalt) and base Camaro.

[Polaris573]

5.0 Showed up at the STL auto show this weekend. Didn't get many pictures of it though, this is the only one that turned out okay. Saturday I learned that taking pictures of black cars in a stadium is hell.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100201/_DSC2139.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

Looks nice, no GT350 there though?

[JC316]

NICE. I am starting to get a new favorite car. The challenger's stock is slipping.

[Polaris573]

No GT-350 this year, I think it's still too new. Here is some other Mustang porn though.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100201/_DSC2138.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100201/_DSC2136.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100202/_DSC2137.jpg

[SK-1]

Nice pictures Polaris. Did the blue one look good up close? I like ford blue flake.

Lol it looks like a 5.0 V6 option. Imagen the bore, or stroke, or both:p
http://img.techpowerup.org/100202/Capture167.jpg

[Polaris573]

Yeah the blue was was really nice close up, the pictures do neither of the Mustangs justice. They were both beautiful cars, but the Ford exhibit was probably the most crowded, so it was really hard to get decent pictures.

[JC316]

Was the blue one a 5.0 too? Engine looks different.

[Polaris573]

No it was just a regular GT. I couldn't get any decent 5.0 shots because the display was roped off and the engine was so covered in plastic it wasn't really worth it.

[JC316]

Ah, still sexy.