Why do Americans hate Muslims?

[wahdangun]

it's really a sad sad day for me, after i read some news, about "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day", thats really hurt my feeling:(

why you my american friend, really hate us, what have we done for you? we never insult your religion, we never insult your country, but why you insult us ? why you hurt our heart ? i almost crying seeing my beloved prophet being insulted like that, it's really really hurt my feeling :(


if this some kind of "freedom" u american always said, then i'm glad i not part of it, because i don't like to insult, or hurt other feeling, i mean it's like i was bullied and someone who bully me said he has the right to bully me, and expect me to do nothing about it.



sometimes i wonder, do you mad if someone insulting you?


please my friend we just wanna peace, please stop this hatred toward us, please stop the insulting, please don't insult us even more

after all we just a human that have feeling


sincerely

"your muslim friend"

[WhiteLotus]

Every religion to date has been made fun of, poked at and joked about. Islam is the only one that takes the banter to equal insulting.

I do not like the fact that you have been bullied because of your beliefs, but you (read Islam as a whole) must learn to laugh at your own religion.

[FordGT90Concept]

why you my american friend, really hate us, what have we done for you?
9/11 and confirmed again with the shoe bomber and again with the recent Time Square attempted bombing. American's won't forget those events and, unfortunately, the actions of a few get extrapolated on to the entire population.

The only way for it to stop is for Islam to actively shutdown (or at least strongly and publically denouce) radical Islamist sects. It then take generations of good news in order to overwrite the bad.


Every religion to date has been made fun of, poked at and joked about. Islam is the only one that takes the banter to equal insulting.

I do not like the fact that you have been bullied because of your beliefs, but you (read Islam as a whole) must learn to laugh at your own religion.
I agree. That's generic across all religions as you have stated and is not specific to America. We have Freedom of the speech/press/media which translates to Americans being allowed to be more aggressive in their anti-anything material (e.g. the South Park fiasco not long ago). Then again (like the South Park case) these Islam sects start threatening acts of terrorism instead of taking some criticism and laughing at themselves/others. That, in turn, fuels the anti-Islam position of Americans.


because of this news :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100521/tc_afp/pakistaninternetfacebookislamreligion_201005210743 26;_ylt=AqlLOujyp9MQGz2HqN4lqmSOOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE2 cmlkdmg3BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtcG FraXN0YW5h
Political satire is not an expression of hatred. Acts of terrorism (willing the death of another) are.

Every person of importance has been caricatured, including President Obama:
http://costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/obama.jpg

...former President, George W. Bush:
http://www.aboutfacesentertainers.com/images/caricature/artists/norris_b/norris_b_bush_saddam.jpg

...Jesus Christ (Judaism, Christianity):
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/311128-37430-jesus-christ_large.jpg

...Buddha (Buddism):
http://www.comicbitsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/buddha2.jpg

...and Pope Benedict XVI (Catholicism):
http://www.toonpool.com/user/5172/files/the_pope_caricature_687165.jpg


Note that I did not once say we (Americans) hate Islam. Terrorism (which some fanatics support) draws a lot of negative attention.

[DanTheBanjoman]

it's really a sad sad day for me, after i read some news, about "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day", thats really hurt my feeling:(


Religion has been a world problem for the past several thousand years. It's not just your religion that is just plain wrong, it's all of them. However, you could try to learn from the Bible: Turn the other cheek. I tried finding a video of Moral orel singing that for you, but couldn't find it, sorry.

My own religion prohibits people from using the word "the" as it also happens to be the name of the only holy one, the lord of everything and creator of life itself. Every time someone uses that word I'll send death threats to those people.
I'm pretty sure that sounds retarded to you as you don't believe the same thing. That's good, as it would help get my point across. .

[FordGT90Concept]

Religion has been a world problem for the past several thousand years. It's not just your religion that is just plain wrong, it's all of them. However, you could try to learn from the Bible: Turn the other cheek. I tried finding a video of Moral orel singing that for you, but couldn't find it, sorry.

My own religion prohibits people from using the word "the" as it also happens to be the name of the only holy one, the lord of everything and creator of life itself. Every time someone uses that word I'll send death threats to those people.
I'm pretty sure that sounds retarded to you as you don't believe the same thing. That's good, as it would help get my point across. .
Did you send a death threat to yourself? You certainly earned it. ;)

[DanTheBanjoman]

Did you send a death threat to yourself? XD

Nah, I cut myself with a steak knife. That teaches me!

Btw, from 0:50 on (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9r7fz_turn-the-other-cheek_fun)

[wahdangun]

Every religion to date has been made fun of, poked at and joked about. Islam is the only one that takes the banter to equal insulting.

I do not like the fact that you have been bullied because of your beliefs, but you (read Islam as a whole) must learn to laugh at your own religion.

yeah, to tell a truth, i don't mind, about that south park episode(that's why it's not that controversy), but drawing in facebook really unbearable and plain insulting.

9/11 and confirmed again with the shoe bomber and again with the recent Time Square attempted bombing. American's won't forget those events and, unfortunately, the actions of a few get extrapolated on to the entire population.

The only way for it to stop is for Islam to actively shutdown (or at least strongly and publically denouce) radical Islamist sects. It then take generations of good news in order to overwrite the bad.



I agree. That's generic across all religions as you have stated and is not specific to America. We have Freedom of the speech/press/media which translates to Americans being allowed to be more aggressive in their anti-anything material (e.g. the South Park fiasco not long ago). Then again (like the South Park case) these Islam sects start threatening acts of terrorism instead of taking some criticism and laughing at themselves/others. That, in turn, fuels the anti-Islam position of Americans.



Political satire is not an expression of hatred. Acts of terrorism (willing the death of another) are.

Every person of importance has been caricatured, including President Obama:
http://costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/obama.jpg

...former President, George W. Bush:
http://www.aboutfacesentertainers.com/images/caricature/artists/norris_b/norris_b_bush_saddam.jpg

...Jesus Christ (Judaism, Christianity):
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/311128-37430-jesus-christ_large.jpg

...Buddha (Buddism):
http://www.comicbitsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/buddha2.jpg

...and Pope Benedict XVI (Catholicism):
http://www.toonpool.com/user/5172/files/the_pope_caricature_687165.jpg


Note that I did not once say we (Americans) hate Islam. Terrorism (which some fanatics support) draws a lot of negative attention.


yeah, but i think this terrorism was a result of hatred, and a wrong political move. and this kind of think never happen when Bill clinton (sorry if i spell it wrong), because i think Bill was really friendly to middle east.


Religion has been a world problem for the past several thousand years. It's not just your religion that is just plain wrong, it's all of them. However, you could try to learn from the Bible: Turn the other cheek. I tried finding a video of Moral orel singing that for you, but couldn't find it, sorry.

My own religion prohibits people from using the word "the" as it also happens to be the name of the only holy one, the lord of everything and creator of life itself. Every time someone uses that word I'll send death threats to those people.
I'm pretty sure that sounds retarded to you as you don't believe the same thing. That's good, as it would help get my point across. .


but if that "the" was really insulting you then i will never use it in front of you, because we respect other religion, i will use and "a" instead.

but i think it's plain wrong if we can insult other in the name of "freedom", we must respect each other.

[Black Panther]

i think it's plain wrong if we can insult other in the name of "freedom", we must respect each other.

Why do you think a caricature is an insult? A caricature is not intended as an insult. As Ford posted, there are plenty of caricatures of the Pope, the Buddha, Jesus, God, various Prime Ministers and Presidents - none of them are intended to insult, and no one feels insulted by them.


Just curious, would you feel offended if a member here were to register with the username "theMohammed"?

[mlee49]

I'm American and I dont hate Muslims.

And by the way I think it's very disrespectful to make fun of someone's religion. I'm sure you are aware of South Park and the recent episode where the portrayed Muhammad. Have you ever noticed how they make fun of Jesus? He's been on since season 1(like 5 years now) and they give him a TV show. He's had to fight Santa Clause and do all sorts of religiously disgraceful acts. Christians were outraged!

The understanding Americans have is not of hatred or to make fun of your religion.

[Black Panther]

I'm not American, I don't hate anyone.

But this makes me afraid: An Al-Qaeda front organisation has offered 100,000 dollars to anyone who kills Swedish artist Lars Vilks, who has angered many Muslims by drawing highly blasphemous caricature of the Prophet.
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100521/tc_afp/pakistaninternetfacebookislamreligion_201005210743 26;_ylt=AqlLOujyp9MQGz2HqN4lqmSOOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE2 cmlkdmg3BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtcG FraXN0YW5h)

Killing someone for a caricature makes no sense.

[DanTheBanjoman]

but if that "the" was really insulting you then i will never use it in front of you, because we respect other religion, i will use and "a" instead.

but i think it's plain wrong if we can insult other in the name of "freedom", we must respect each other.

So I can effectively take away your freedom by being insulted for no obvious reason? That's what religious people do. If I'd have to respect all of their wishes there would be nothing left to do in life for me. Perhaps you should respect the fact that I love drawing Muhammed.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100521/Capture008.jpg
I just drew this picture of Muhammed, he's smiling because he loves me. That is my believe. Why can't Muslims respect this?

The fact that your holy book tells me I'm going to hell and whatnot is insulting to me. The fact that your holy book says women are less than men (Sura 2:228) is insulting to my favourite moderator. I doubt she likes the fact that you'd like to have a female sex slave (Sura 4:24 ). The whole western culture frown upon the fact that Christians and Muslims love to be pedophiles (Sura 65:1 and we all know the Pope). Apparently terrorism is a good thing too (Qur’an 8:60, 9:111). I could go on but I'm lazy, which I know is a sin (in some random holy book anyway).

Though since I'm a fair and just person I will not just dismiss your believes. I will give my soul to the almighty Allah in all eternity if he personally comes down and tells me not to draw nice pictures Muhammed. If he does not do this there are two possibilities: He does not exist or he does not give a damn.
I have similar deals with God, Jahweh and Zeus. Only Zeus came down so far, he shared a bottle of ouzo with me and we made some jokes about Hades. After that evening he shook my hand and left again. He did not ask anything ridiculous of me.

[wahdangun]

Why do you think a caricature is an insult? A caricature is not intended as an insult. As Ford posted, there are plenty of caricatures of the Pope, the Buddha, Jesus, God, various Prime Ministers and Presidents - none of them are intended to insult, and no one feels insulted by them.


Just curious, would you feel offended if a member here were to register with the username "theMohammed"?

no, i would never insulted if user registered with such a name(because it's common name in islam), and pic in Facebook, was much worse than caricature, just see for your self.

what if everyone make caricature (just like people doing to my prophet right now) about your parent, or someone that close to you(and make fun of it), are you feel insulted.

I'm American and I dont hate Muslims.

yay, i like you

[DrPepper]

It's not that Americans hate islam. They REALLY liked those two towers and they're really pissed off about it. Anyway let's take a step back. In the western world we ridicule everything we can.

We mock Jesus the christians lord and saviour who died for their sins
http://cerdoslegion.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/jesus_fucking_christ.jpg

Isn't the original reason that pictures of mohammed are nopt to be drawn is so that he does not become an idol to be worshipped instead of god ? A true islamic person would forgive, a true christian would forgive, a true jew would forgive etc. Some islamic militants ( I hesitate to call them islamic ) are using this as an oppertunity to incite hatred so they can take power and cause choas.

[mlee49]

Fack, you met Zeus? How was he? Does he drink beer or liquor? Is he really as big as everyone says he is?
Wow, you sir are a lucky man. I'd probably do just about anything to hang out with Zeus.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Fack, you met Zeus? How was he? Does he drink beer or liquor? Is he really as big as everyone says he is?
Wow, you sir are a lucky man. I'd probably do just about anything to hang out with Zeus.

Guess what's in a bottle of ouzo... Ouzo!

[mlee49]

Guess what's in a bottle of ouzo... Ouzo!

I had to google that...

Maybe gettin tipsy with the God's isn't a good idea. You know one lightning bolt through the roof and then he's all "I'm not payin your deductable" and then your like " BS! You threw a freakin lightning bolt!" And then it just gets akward and he says hes going to the bathroom and sneaks out the back door.

[theJesus]

I am a proof that Americans mock everything.

[Steevo]

Why are Muslims on the computer? They wish to hold dear and close the teachings of old and the ideas and beliefs. So go back to goat herding and stay off my internets. I don't come here and complain the my religion was insulted on every major TV show and or movie, I laugh at it instead.

I agree with Dan here, you fail to observe my rights to do whatever the fuck I want, be it draw nude pictures of Mohohohommad, or draw pictures of jesus with a raptor head.


So, why do Muslims hate america, yet want our entertainment, internet, jobs, country, move here, get to take a translator on a driving test, get lots of free welfare from my tax dollars, and then still whine and bitch about everything?

I don't judge a book by a cover, by until Muslims moved here he had little violence beyond the normal drunk redneck crap. In the past few months we have had a little girl run down, two stabbings, one person shot and killed, and numerous other accidents and trouble with Muslims. One of the girls at work was shopping and had a muslim shove his shopping cart in front of her as he felt she was "just a woman". She was about ready to kick his ass, and she could.


I refuse to give up my RIGHT to free speech for you.

[DrPepper]

Why do you seem to hate muslims so much ? Sure in every culture there are a few assholes.

[erocker]

it's really a sad sad day for me, after i read some news, about "Everyone Draw Mohammed Day", thats really hurt my feeling:(

why you my american friend, really hate us, what have we done for you? we never insult your religion, we never insult your country, but why you insult us ? why you hurt our heart ? i almost crying seeing my beloved prophet being insulted like that, it's really really hurt my feeling :(


if this some kind of "freedom" u american always said, then i'm glad i not part of it, because i don't like to insult, or hurt other feeling, i mean it's like i was bullied and someone who bully me said he has the right to bully me, and expect me to do nothing about it.


sometimes i wonder, do you mad if someone insulting you?


please my friend we just wanna peace, please stop this hatred toward us, please stop the insulting, please don't insult us even more

after all we just a human that have feeling


sincerely

"your muslim friend"

I find what Dr. Pepper posted insulting. Not to me though, since I'm not Jesus.

I love everyone. Christ wants it that way. Hating someone because of their beliefs is just ignorant. Hating anyone doesn't get anyone anywhere. wahdangun, I can confidently tell you that the majority of Americans don't hate Muslims. Many Muslims live here. They are our neighbors and friends. Don't listen to the media as it just tries to keep us apart. If I met you, I'd shake your hand and give you a hug because we are brothers.

Your "Christian" friend.

[Black Panther]

I doubt she likes the fact that you'd like to have a female sex slave (Sura 4:24 ).

Hmmm... that depends on the circumstances. I've always wondered how it'd feel to be enslaved and spanked with the backside of a pcb on my own backside... those sharp points look nice and tingly... http://xtreview.com/images/8600gt-review/Sysconn-8600gt-back-side.jpg

[WhiteLotus]

Hmmm... that depends on the circumstances. I've always wondered how it'd feel to be enslaved and spanked with the backside of a pcb on my own backside... those sharp points look nice and tingly... [IMG]http://xtreview.com/images/8600gt-review/Sysconn-8600gt-back-side.jpg[IMG]

I am some what aroused.

[epicfail]

Hmmm... that depends on the circumstances. I've always wondered how it'd feel to be enslaved and spanked with the backside of a pcb on my own backside... those sharp points look nice and tingly... http://xtreview.com/images/8600gt-review/Sysconn-8600gt-back-side.jpg

lmfao, nice one bp lol

i decided to quit religion after my mom stopped letting me bring my gameboy to church when i turned 12 lol

[SK-1]

Hmmm... that depends on the circumstances. I've always wondered how it'd feel to be enslaved and spanked with the backside of a pcb on my own backside... those sharp points look nice and tingly... http://xtreview.com/images/8600gt-review/Sysconn-8600gt-back-side.jpg

If you need any assistance...:D

[JC316]

Why are Muslims on the computer? They wish to hold dear and close the teachings of old and the ideas and beliefs. So go back to goat herding and stay off my internets. I don't come here and complain the my religion was insulted on every major TV show and or movie, I laugh at it instead.

I agree with Dan here, you fail to observe my rights to do whatever the fuck I want, be it draw nude pictures of Mohohohommad, or draw pictures of jesus with a raptor head.


So, why do Muslims hate america, yet want our entertainment, internet, jobs, country, move here, get to take a translator on a driving test, get lots of free welfare from my tax dollars, and then still whine and bitch about everything?

I don't judge a book by a cover, by until Muslims moved here he had little violence beyond the normal drunk redneck crap. In the past few months we have had a little girl run down, two stabbings, one person shot and killed, and numerous other accidents and trouble with Muslims. One of the girls at work was shopping and had a muslim shove his shopping cart in front of her as he felt she was "just a woman". She was about ready to kick his ass, and she could.


I refuse to give up my RIGHT to free speech for you.

+1. You forgot buying up all 7-11's. Honestly, I go by people, not religion. A friend of mine is Muslim and he is great, but I have met some Muslims that I wanted to kick their ass. Yall don't want to be insulted, but most love throwing out the insults. Especially towards women, nothing will get your ass beat in Texas faster than insulting someone's girl.

This is the internet man, if you don't want to be insulted, then don't come on here. Live like the Amish and you won't have a problem.

[jmcslob]

I'm American and I don't hate Muslims or Christians and Jews But I feel they are a source of Great Humor.

And by the way I don't think it's very disrespectful to make fun of someone's religion. I'm sure you are aware of South Park and the recent episode where the portrayed Muhammad. Have you ever noticed how they make fun of Jesus? He's been on since season 1(like 10 years now) and they give him a TV show. He's had to fight Santa Clause and do all sorts of religiously Funny acts. Christians were outraged like the idiots they are!

The understanding Americans have is not that of hatred But is to make fun of your religion.
__________________Thanks Mlee I used your post and just added or deleted a few words as it was faster

[epicfail]

I'm American and I don't hate Muslims or Christians and Jews But I feel they are a source of Great Humor.

And by the way I don't think it's very disrespectful to make fun of someone's religion. I'm sure you are aware of South Park and the recent episode where the portrayed Muhammad. Have you ever noticed how they make fun of Jesus? He's been on since season 1(like 10 years now) and they give him a TV show. He's had to fight Santa Clause and do all sorts of religiously Funny acts. Christians were outraged like the idiots they are!

The understanding Americans have is not that of hatred But is to make fun of your religion.
__________________Thanks Mlee I used your post and just added or deleted a few words as it was faster

Jesus also appears in Family Guy, from what i remember hes sniped people alot (toast)

[jmcslob]

THIS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100521/tc_afp/pakistaninternetfacebookislamreligion_201005210743 26;_ylt=AqlLOujyp9MQGz2HqN4lqmSOOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTE2 cmlkdmg3BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtcG FraXN0YW5h
This is what makes you sad....Well it makes me sad too..since it's pathetic....Ok now I'm like those people that are like GET off the INTERNETS...

I will not bow before your Religious beliefs or those of anyone Else's...The only Intolerence I see here is that from ISLAM...FREE thought is a Western Idea if ya Don't like it stay the fuck off of Western sites....No disrespect intended...But what makes you think people that don't follow your religion should give a Fuck about it specially when you come on a completely different Format to proclaim insult...That is what is disrespectful friend

[FordGT90Concept]

yeah, but i think this terrorism was a result of hatred, and a wrong political move. and this kind of think never happen when Bill clinton (sorry if i spell it wrong), because i think Bill was really friendly to middle east.
Remember the U.S.S. Cole bombing (by Al Queda) and the several middle-east U.S. Embassy bombings? This problem goes back to the 1980's. The Clinton administration, dimwits as they were, ignored it. The Bush administration answered agression with agression.

[jmcslob]

The thing is Here in America we are not Intolerant of Muslims we welcome them just as we welcome everyone else besides Mexicans...and you know why because if we welcomed Mexicans we wouldn't have Cheap field labors..Wait that's not my point..


Anyways in America we welcome all religions we even Welcome that Fake as Fuck Mormon religion and over here it's completely normal for all people to worship as they please in their religious places of worship or in their homes...

We however would never Tolerate people of faith marching on the streets over a stupid Fad Social site that had people depict anyone in cartoon Form unless you were Gay or a Minority Just not Ok for religions...But it would be fine to do so in your Mosque As long as you didn't infringe upon anothers FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION

[FordGT90Concept]

We welcome Mexicans so long as they aren't part of the 500,000 the enter the USA illegally every year.

Mormonism was founded in Salt Lake City, Utah.

[jmcslob]

We welcome Mexicans so long as they aren't part of the 500,000 the enter the USA illegally every year.

Mormonism was founded in Salt Lake City, Utah.

No that's just where they settled...as no one else wanted them Weirdo's around...So Brigham Young led them to the wasteland

[theJesus]

So Brigham Young led them to the wasteland
I just thought you typed "So Bringem Young lad"

[FordGT90Concept]

No that's just where they settled...as no one else wanted them Weirdo's around...So Brigham Young led them to the wasteland
The "Latter Day Saint" movement was started (1830) by Joesph Smith in New York state. The largest denomination is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" which was founded by Brigham Young, also in New York state. They arrived in the Utah Territory by 1847 where the headquarters remain.


Point being, Mormonism started in the USA.


The only reason why Mormonism didn't get shut down is because they don't promote violence. Most cults do get raided eventually.

[mlee49]

Mormons were on South Park too. Guess we could learn alot from those people.

[jmcslob]

The "Latter Day Saint" movement was started (1830) by Joesph Smith in New York state. The largest denomination is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" which was founded by Brigham Young, also in New York state. They arrived in the Utah Territory by 1847 where the headquarters remain.


Point being, Mormonism started in the USA.


The only reason why Mormonism didn't get shut down is because they don't promote violence. Most cults do get raided eventually.
Uhm i seem to remember reading about a Mormon led massacre on On Sept. 11, 1857....
Oh they promoted Violence alright Just no one cared as long as they stayed in the wastelands


now if I could only remember such useless knowledge that would be asked on Jeopardy I'd be doing much better...but for Some Reason i seem to remember all the religious Fanatics that did something stupid on 9/11 and don't forget the British burned down the original White House on 9/11 also

[FordGT90Concept]

Uhm i seem to remember reading about a Mormon led massacre on On Sept. 11, 1857....
Oh they promoted Violence alright Just no one cared as long as they stayed in the wastelands
Indeed, but it was violence against Native Americans which the US government, unfortunately, supported.


now if I could only remember such useless knowledge that would be asked on Jeopardy I'd be doing much better...but for Some Reason i seem to remember all the religious Fanatics that did something stupid on 9/11 and don't forget the British burned down the original White House on 9/11 also
Remember, that was the result of a three-way war between France, Britian, and the USA.

The burning of the White House was on 8/24/1814.

[DaMulta]

http://www.rumorsdaily.com/brd/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hatemuslims.jpg

[DannibusX]

Why do Muslims hate Jews? Why do Muslims hate Americans? Why are Muslims planning terrorist attacks around the world and murdering innocent people?

Am I an infidel because I don't follow the Koran? Should I die because I don't believe that Mohammed is the Prophet that Islam says he is? I'll go to hell if I don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah and you'll be the people to put me there,

I didn't see one report of one Christian or one Jew flying 747's into buildings, attempting to kill the President of my nation or strike the center of military intelligence on September 11, 2001. I saw reports of extremist Muslims from Saudi Arabia, as a part of the radical terrorist group fly planes into the World Trade Center and kill innocent Americans, British citizens and people from other parts of the world. Why? Why did they do that? What did they expect from that? That we would just ignore it?

I don't hate Muslims. I live in a country where it's people have the right to worship who they want, how they want and when they want, so long as others don't get hurt. I know there's an extreme faction within all religions, even non-religions. I don't hate you because you're Muslim, hell I don't hate you at all. I want to live my life without worry that my family will be hurt, my fellow Americans will be hurt or having to pull my pistol out and have to shoot some freak trying to kill people in my vicinity.

[jmcslob]

@Ford i stand corrected I was thinking of the "Victory on Lake Champlain" or something LOL
on topic
I'd like to think I hate all religions equally...so please don't put Islam on some dammed Pedestal of high hatred

[theJesus]

What he said ^

[DrPepper]

I'd like to think I hate all religions equally...so please don't put Islam on some dammed Pedestal of high hatred

Agree'd

[Black Panther]

The fact that your holy book says women are less than men (Sura 2:228) is insulting to my favourite moderator.
How did I miss reading that? You deserve a kiss!

http://s.myniceprofile.com/myspacepic/538/53868.gif

[DanTheBanjoman]

Why do Muslims hate Jews?

Because they killed Jesus, they're just supporting their Christian friends.

[Flyordie]

Because, most of us are egotistical morons who have no self worth. Thats not a lie either. No sarcasm.

[theJesus]

Because, most of us are egotistical morons who have no self worth. Thats not a lie either. No sarcasm.
I may be egotistical and I may have very little self worth, but I am not a moron (not all the time anyways)
This is an outrage, I fucking died so you could have casual sex before marriage, and this is the gratitude I get? No way dude, I'm scratching your sins off the paid-for-by-jesus list and you're going straight to hell. Do not pass purgatory and do not collect $200.

for anybody with malfunctioning sarcasm detectors, please use this post as a reference point for calibration

[Wile E]

no, i would never insulted if user registered with such a name(because it's common name in islam), and pic in Facebook, was much worse than caricature, just see for your self.

what if everyone make caricature (just like people doing to my prophet right now) about your parent, or someone that close to you(and make fun of it), are you feel insulted.



yay, i like you

I wouldn't feel insulted at all. I have a sense of humor.

[JC316]

I wouldn't feel insulted at all. I have a sense of humor.

Same here. Most people have to pay to be caricatureized. The prophet should be honored.

[Steevo]

I know we had to pay $20 for a family caricature done at Casa Bonita.

[theJesus]

I've never understood why anybody would pay to caricatured. All you have to do is be a teacher or at least a guest speaker or something at a school and you'll get tons of them done for free.

[DaMulta]

Damn Muslims, don't they know that they are the gift of Devil?

Why else would they want to blow every person belonging to a religious beliefs including their own?

They pretend that they are not the Jew. When in fact they are worse than Jews towards the ending of our world the way we know it.

[Black Panther]

I know we had to pay $20 for a family caricature done at Casa Bonita.

Next time round post your family picture on 4chan and you'd get dozens of free results :D

[Reventon]

I hate everyone. Don't take it personally.

[jmcslob]

Seriously what do you do with a Nation full of people that take to the Streets in protest over a small group of people on FaceBook Making Cartoon drawings of a Religious figure...

They don't drink so we can't send them some Budweiser...
Can't make em a nice breakfast and talk things over cause they don't eat Bacon or Sausage...

Obviously they can't take a joke..

Maybe we can post a Bunch of those Joker "Why so Serious" banisters on all their websites LOL

Whatever you do if you find yourself in Pakistan and then drop something on your foot don't scream out "Son of a Bitch" or they may behead you...Since you must have called someones mom a bitch..

Seriously These people need to understand our culture and not take everything we do as a sign of Hatred...

I have never met one person that immigrated from Pakistan say America sucks I'm going back home...

As a matter of fact your likely to hear I own the Quicky Mart down the street or were do ya wanna go (taxi) LOL

Maybe just maybe people that come over here tell people over there that it's horrible here because those people are assholes and they don't want them to come over here and be an asshole here...Huh yeah..

[theJesus]

That last statement is probably it.

[Nick89]

I don't hate Muslims. :confused:

But I hate extremist religion.

[Kurosagi]

off topic but i hate it when i see people being stereotypical or just being racist to chinese(i'm chinese as many of you guys know) people,i mean i am sick of hearing comments like "Wow don't mess with him he can do karate" or thinking we are overly smart because lot of things are made in "china",i also hate these people who are being complete morons who think our english is bad or something and try and rephrase what we are saying back to them when we are clearly speaking the language english like everyone for them to understand,but they try to imitate our accent and the way we speak to think their clever, they even try speak chinese when they clearly can't and sound like complete morons and think we don't know english or something..hello if we live in a country thats main language is English then we do know English.

[DrPepper]

off topic but i hate it when i see people being stereotypical or just being racist to chinese(i'm chinese as many of you guys know) people,i mean i am sick of hearing comments like "Wow don't mess with him he can do karate" or thinking we are overly smart because lot of things are made in "china",i also hate these people who are being complete morons who think our english is bad or something and try and rephrase what we are saying back to them when we are clearly speaking the language english like everyone for them to understand,but they try to imitate our accent and the way we speak to think their clever, they even try speak chinese when they clearly can't and sound like complete morons and think we don't know english or something..hello if we live in a country thats main language is English then we do know English.

Back that shit up, you don't know karate ?!?!

Nah jk man.

I keep hearing rediculous stories that in England you guys aren't to display the England flag from a window incase it offends minorities ? At least thats what one of my relatives told me today.

[Kurosagi]

Back that shit up, you don't know karate ?!?!

Nah jk man.

I keep hearing rediculous stories that in England you guys aren't to display the England flag from a window incase it offends minorities ? At least thats what one of my relatives told me today.

Theres loads of rumors of that "England" crap for the world cup this year,like you can't wear the England Shirt in bars because it might offend people who are supporting their country like i don't know polish or something.

[WhiteLotus]

Back that shit up, you don't know karate ?!?!

Nah jk man.

I keep hearing rediculous stories that in England you guys aren't to display the England flag from a window incase it offends minorities ? At least thats what one of my relatives told me today.

That's bull crap. Taxis owned by the council can not, but the public can.

[DrPepper]

Theres loads of rumors of that "England" crap for the world cup this year,like you can't wear the England Shirt in bars because it might offend people who are supporting their country like i don't know polish or something.

LOL

You'd think if you moved to Britain, England or Scotland that if you were offended by that you should deport your own ass.

[Wile E]

off topic but i hate it when i see people being stereotypical or just being racist to chinese(i'm chinese as many of you guys know) people,i mean i am sick of hearing comments like "Wow don't mess with him he can do karate" or thinking we are overly smart because lot of things are made in "china",i also hate these people who are being complete morons who think our english is bad or something and try and rephrase what we are saying back to them when we are clearly speaking the language english like everyone for them to understand,but they try to imitate our accent and the way we speak to think their clever, they even try speak chinese when they clearly can't and sound like complete morons and think we don't know english or something..hello if we live in a country thats main language is English then we do know English.
Nothing could be further from the truth. A huge portion of our immigrants do not know English.

Besides, it's no different for an American in somewhere like Japan. An American can walk into a McDonalds, start speaking fluent Japanese, and the counter people will still try to give them an English menu. It's like it just doesn't compute that this person is speaking the native language. It's like it's some sort of brain block. That was in a blog posted at Gaijin Smash (http://www.outpostnine.com/gaijin_smash/). (He's an American that moved to Japan to teach English. Funny stuff.) Can't remember which one it is tho.

[Kurosagi]

Find it stupid how people won't accept other race or something can speak their language fluently.

[SK-1]

Find it stupid how people won't accept other race
Well said.

or something can speak their language fluently.

I'd feel more than stupid if I migrated to another country to live and couldn't speak the native language.

[FordGT90Concept]

Find it stupid how people won't accept other race or something can speak their language fluently.
I think it is in the genetics. People are naturally predisposed to being racist. You have to work hard to not be racist.

[Magibeg]

I think it is in the genetics. People are naturally predisposed to being racist. You have to work hard to not be racist.

This looks like the perfect time to turn this into a nature vs nurture debate ;) j/k

I think it's a combination of factors, but being brainwashed into thinking that everyone who doesn't drink your particular brand of koolaid is inferior to you is probably a good step towards intolerance.

[jmcslob]

The worst thing anyone can do actually believe they are not Racist..

every one is to some point....

[dcf-joe]

As far as a predisposition to be racist, here is the link to the Newsweek article (http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/04/see-baby-discriminate.html) that shows that "even babies discriminate."

[theJesus]

off topic but i hate it when i see people being stereotypical or just being racist to chinese(i'm chinese as many of you guys know) people,i mean i am sick of hearing comments like "Wow don't mess with him he can do karate" or thinking we are overly smart because lot of things are made in "china",i also hate these people who are being complete morons who think our english is bad or something and try and rephrase what we are saying back to them when we are clearly speaking the language english like everyone for them to understand,but they try to imitate our accent and the way we speak to think their clever, they even try speak chinese when they clearly can't and sound like complete morons and think we don't know english or something..hello if we live in a country thats main language is English then we do know English.
I only make fun of Asians that actually do speak "Engrish." When I go to a Chinese restaurant, usually less than half the employees speak English competently.

Same with Mexican restaurants.

[pepsi71ocean]

you want my honoest opinoin , and its a commonly accepted opinoin, (meaning everyone agrees.

(ok, well i know that not all Muslims are animals but the terrorist are the ones who make the news here, and what we see is just radical islam, and this is why we view them as animals, and sub human, like we viewed the japanese durnign world war two. because of their sub human actions, includign the needless torture, murdering and raping of civiians, the torure and murder, forced enslavement of soldiers, etic.

For example

I watch the tv, i see a terrorist shooting iraqui cilvians with an ak-47 so i say to my self, what an animal, then i tell the neighbor, i saw terrorist shooting civilians last night, and he said what animals, then people say the terrorist are animals,

then we see a GI(soldier) being dragged down the street by terrorist in a pick up truck, as hundreds of civilans throw stones and bottle at him, The soldier is all cut up and brused, and bleeding, and then they cut his head off, and everyone on the video chants something in arabic.

Then i say to the neighbor i saw, terrorist dragging a Soldier down the street, as the civilans throw stuff, and kick him etic... and he said if the civilans see that then that means they are aniamls, sub human etic.... then the whole people see that as all muslims hating amricans, then everyone who does that are sub humant, etic.


I know it makes a little sense but that is how we see it.

Propaganda is a powerful tool, and the terrorist are using it to great effect.

Some of the things i notice are

1. declaring war on the whole United states.

2. making civilians(non-combatants) targets

3. murdering civilians

4. beheading people

5. torture of american soldiers, which is against the Geniva convention

6. the need to creat instability, (ie bombings in iraq that kill hundreds of civilians at a time)

7. the constant chanting of "death to america death to israel"

8. hatred of christians(which i know is a radical islam thing, asthe Quoran states that people of the book hould be treated with kindness)

9. gurilla warfare,

10. the need to kill cilvians to scare them into supporting the rebels.

11. becausr the beheadings, and the torque, dragging gi's bodies throughthe street, cutting off head's fingers, limbs, and stoning soldiers to death.


12. killing of american citizens, and civilians, people who have nothign to do with the war, they are just at the wrong place at the wrong time.


And yes i suport both the war in Afganistan and iraq, mainly because we need to finish what we started, and if the radicals win then the war will come home at some point.




unforunately, man amaricans see only the part that is in the news, which is the bombings, the murdering, kidnapping and raping of soldiers,i mean sticking an electrode into a womans internals is just nothing short of in-human, and serves no value, but to torture female sldiers.

Which gets back to the whole thing of how we see you as a people, many americans look at muslims as savages, because that is what we see on the tv every night in our homes, we see how civilans are getting blown up , because the terrorist target the local school, and kill 500 children.



Fact is if this war ever came home to america, and you had terrorist blowing up schools here in the states you would have a real war on your hands, but for now the war is away, which is why i hoped one of those terrorst attemps would have worked, because if he had suceeded, i can gaurentee the american public would say, "OMG i just rememebred why we went to war, i support the war again"


I hate to sound like a warmonger, but if they had suceeded on Christman day, whith that attempted bombing in time square, American would look at that as an atack on america, but an attack on Christanity, which would just insite holy hell on top of a crroked vew of Musilms that is scene in the home of every american that lives out in farm country.



I don't mean to come of as a racist, or anything else, im just speaking my mind as it is coming out.

[DanTheBanjoman]

5. torture of american soldiers, which is against the Geniva convention

6. the need to creat instability, (ie bombings in iraq that kill hundreds of civilians at a time)

8. hatred of christians(which i know is a radical islam thing, asthe Quoran states that people of the book hould be treated with kindness)


I think no agreement specifically states "american soldiers", all the torturing done by the Americans falls under the same agreement.

You dare to claim American bombs have not killed thousands of innocent civilians?

Hating Christians is ok, just like Hating muslims is, it falls under the category "eye for an eye". Both groups are hatebreeding cults. The Bible and the Quran are equally bad. None of these books speak of kindness towards people with common sense.


The worst kind of terrorists are threadnecromancers though.

[FordGT90Concept]

Collateral damage is the reality of war.

[WhiteLotus]

Also, as far as I know, Iraq is/was not part of the Geneva convention, they don't have to abide by it.

And also Ford, the phrase "Collateral damage" is probably the worst thing that could come out of a persons mouth. "Oh we killed some innocents, oh well, we got the real guy... the other 50 are collateral damage". That just doesn't fly with me, a simple, "We fucked up and killed some innocent people, we're going to develop some weapons that limit and reduce this so it never happens again."

Actually that phrase is second only to "friendly fire". You can take your friendly fire and cram it up your ass. You fucked up, you pay the price, not label it with some some nice pretty political tag so you get of scot free.

[FordGT90Concept]

Collateral damage is what it is: damage inflicted that isn't part of the target be it structures, terrain, animals, or innocent bystandards. When you're working with weapons who's objective is to kill, collateral damage is inevitablity. Just be glad this isn't WWII where war was synonymous with carpet bombing: level a whole city to kill a dozen enemy combatants. Again, war is war.

People could have left the country especially in a war that has lasted 5+ years. They know the risks of living in a warzone and they'll have to deal with it if they decide to stay. It's no different than, for example, living in a flood plain. Something bad is likely to happen, it is just a matter of when.


Friendly fire is another reality of war. It was a serious problem in the first Gulf War (a Patriot missile system took out an allied aircraft, for example--all on board died) and there's been many incidents in the second Gulf War. Wars are fought by humans and humans make mistakes.


Not acknowledging those facts is the result of ignorance of what war means. Humans have been doing it for tens of thousands of years and that isn't likely to change any time soon. We don't live in a utopia world where everything is rainbows and sunshine. Everything we cherish today was brought about through piles of human corpses. That is a dangerous lesson to forget.

[WhiteLotus]

Collateral damage is what it is: damage inflicted that isn't part of the target be it structures, terrain, animals, or innocent bystandards. When you're working with weapons who's objective is to kill, collateral damage is inevitablity. Just be glad this isn't WWII where war was synonymous with carpet bombing: level a whole city to kill a dozen enemy combatants. Again, war is war.

People could have left the country especially in a war that has lasted 5+ years. They know the risks of living in a warzone and they'll have to deal with it if they decide to stay. It's no different than, for example, living in a flood plain. Something bad is likely to happen, it is just a matter of when.


Friendly fire is another reality of war. It was a serious problem in the first Gulf War (a Patriot missile system took out an allied aircraft, for example--all on board died) and there's been many incidents in the second Gulf War. Wars are fought by humans and humans make mistakes.


Not acknowledging those facts is the result of ignorance of what war means. Humans have been doing it for tens of thousands of years and that isn't likely to change any time soon. We don't live in a utopia world where everything is rainbows and sunshine. Everything we cherish today was brought about through piles of human corpses. That is a dangerous lesson to forget.

LIES! I WONT HEAR YOUR BLASPHEMY!!! (r)(r)(u)(u)(wh)(wh)


ps, yes i am well aware that it happens, but it doesn't make it any more right.

[FordGT90Concept]

The guy with the bigger gun is always right. :D

[DrPepper]

Collateral damage is what it is: damage inflicted that isn't part of the target be it structures, terrain, animals, or innocent bystandards. When you're working with weapons who's objective is to kill, collateral damage is inevitablity. Just be glad this isn't WWII where war was synonymous with carpet bombing: level a whole city to kill a dozen enemy combatants. Again, war is war.


I love how the media is in uproar because of collateral damage. I mean a missile from a aircraft 10'000 feet in the air landed on a building and about 3 civvies died and it's a massacre whearas in WW2 Britain and the USA firebombed Germany and Japan to nothing.

[erocker]

The Bible and the Quran are equally bad. None of these books speak of kindness towards people with common sense.

That tells me that you've read neither.

I can't say that I have either, but some..

[WhiteLotus]

That tells me that you've read neither.

The books are books of moral stories that have somehow been twisted and rewritten to suit the needs of the religion.

eg,

Jesus turns water into wine.

reality, Jesus made some wine.

Jesus magicked some fish out of thin air

reality, Jesus went fishing.

I could go on. The good religious people are the ones that know that the Bible (in this case) is just a book of moral values, nothing more.

[theJesus]

The books are books of moral stories that have somehow been twisted and rewritten to suit the needs of the religion.

eg,

Jesus turns water into wine.

reality, Jesus made some wine.

Jesus magicked some fish out of thin air

reality, Jesus went fishing.

I could go on. The good religious people are the ones that know that the Bible (in this case) is just a book of moral values, nothing more.
What the fuck does that have to do with whether or not they speak of kindness towards others?

[FordGT90Concept]

Virtually all religions have the "golden rule" but they also promote ideas that aren't so kind like women being obedient slaves to men which the bible apparently explains as being necessary to avoid conflict.

They speak of "kindness" to some "people." That is kinda the subtext to all religions, no?

[erocker]

The books are books of moral stories that have somehow been twisted and rewritten to suit the needs of the religion.

eg,

Jesus turns water into wine.

reality, Jesus made some wine.

Jesus magicked some fish out of thin air

reality, Jesus went fishing.

I could go on. The good religious people are the ones that know that the Bible (in this case) is just a book of moral values, nothing more.

Show me proof that Jesus made wine went fishing or otherwise. Saying it's just a book of moral values is completely short-sighted. But if you're content knowing your are right I'm not going to get in your way.

[DrPepper]

I don't think taking the bible literally is such a good idea. Especially applying it to modern ideology. The bible was written back when humans were fairly primitive and it was more of a guide on how to improve their lives and the live's of others. Like a survival guide for mankind sort of. The lessons told in the bible are good for bettering yourself and others but some people manage to twist holy context in ways it wasn't designed. Such as the Quran and the Bible. I think all of the stories about Jesus' miracles are exaggerated but the main point is there that if you believe in God (being kind to fellow humans) Extraordinary things can happen like advancing culture and science.

[WhiteLotus]

I rest my proof in that having the ability to conjure stuff out of thin air is about as plausible as me taking a solid gold shit tomorrow.

[DrPepper]

I rest my proof in that having the ability to conjure stuff out of thin air is about as plausible as me taking a solid gold shit tomorrow.

No-one would give a shit about the bible though if it said Jesus made some wine tbh.

[momentomoir]

no religion is kind to another
no denomination is kind to another
no country is truly kind to another
all humans dislike atleast one race or religion
With a world this big with this many problems people put blame on certain group
With government corruption putting blame on other people for cover ups cause this
With government corruption they plant thoughts in peoples mind with the word terrorist alkida or something that sounds middle eastern and people just assume muslims

Heres the thing what people should do is read up on several news sites because news is persuaded but certain groups fox nbc and abc is a few that is one sided
people should learn the history of a religion or group of people before pointing fingers

but thats just what i think

[DrPepper]

Buddhism doesn't hate other religions.

[FordGT90Concept]

Buddhism doesn't hate other religions.
It's the exception, not the norm. :p

[Nick89]

Why does the religion of peace stone women to death?

[DanTheBanjoman]

Why does the religion of peace stone women to death?

Because they're cheating sluts.

[DrPepper]

Why does the religion of peace stone women to death?

Why was she out the kitchen cheating ?

[erocker]

"Religion" as some of you call it, keeps me from killing the lot of you. (r)

[jmcslob]

^lmao

[Magibeg]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/7882761/Muslim-charged-with-plotting-genocide-of-Canadian-Jews.html

"A Muslim immigrant who called for "the slaughter of Jews" in online postings has become the first person to be charged with promoting genocide in Canada, police said on Friday."

And hopefully the last.

[DrPepper]

Hmm glad to see he got fucked. If I saw someone cheering about our troops getting killed I'd fucking deport them to the afterlife. People who emigrate to a country and say what he said should be deported or charged with hate crimes especially when they try to abuse our free speech and change our countries to an muslim country.

[Magibeg]

http://tnerd.com/2010/07/13/2-5-million-muslims-threaten-to-quit-facebook-on-21st-of-july/

[DaveK]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/davidkinsella/a1367_bm.gif?t=1279333404

[FordGT90Concept]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/7882761/Muslim-charged-with-plotting-genocide-of-Canadian-Jews.html

"A Muslim immigrant who called for "the slaughter of Jews" in online postings has become the first person to be charged with promoting genocide in Canada, police said on Friday."

And hopefully the last.
Promoting genocide is a crime? Where's the injured party? I'd expect that conviction not to stick, at least not in the USA because the 1st amendment forbids it from sticking.

[DrPepper]

http://tnerd.com/2010/07/13/2-5-million-muslims-threaten-to-quit-facebook-on-21st-of-july/

Wait til I play the worlds smallest violin for them.

Promoting genocide is a crime? Where's the injured party?

I figure that its inciting hatred rather than promoting genocide. Either way he got what he deserved. I'd die for free speech but not if people are allowed to openly try incite genocide, murder and persecution.

[FordGT90Concept]

They didn't commit a crime until they commited crime. He isn't convicted yet. He might belong in a loony bin but that doesn't mean his basic human rights should be violated.


http://tnerd.com/2010/07/13/2-5-million-muslims-threaten-to-quit-facebook-on-21st-of-july/
I think they have a point. If they weren't right, they'd forbid pages like this too:
http://www.facebook.com/ILOVELORDJESUS

[DrPepper]

They didn't commit a crime until they commited crime. He isn't convicted yet. He might belong in a loony bin but that doesn't mean his basic human rights should be violated.

He calls for the death of the jews. If even one jew dies because of that I think it would have been worth violating his rights. People abuse the right to free speech by inciting hate towards others which imo is just as bad as doing it. Example if someone in the town you live in is trying to get your neighbours to come beat you up because he says your a pedofile without proof etc is it not wrong for him to pay for any suffering you will get ?

Edit: What happened in my town was there was a boy who was rumoured to be a pedofile and it soon caught on he was and what they did was killed him and threw his family out even though he wasn't. This happened simply because someone incited the village with a few lies.

[FordGT90Concept]

As do lots of people (like neo-Nazis). The key is showing an intent to carry it out. Watch Minority Report. It demonstrates quite well the danger of making "thought crimes" criminal. Heading down that path means just looking at someone funny could mean a life sentence.

If a Jew dies and he is connected to it, then he gets locked up. Until then, keep an eye on him and who he spends his time with.


I call for the death of all members of the executive and legislative branches of the government but that doesn't mean I'd carry it out or want someone else to carry it out, does it? If someone were to act on my "call" without any direct tie to me, I am not a guilty party. I didn't commit a tangible crime.

[DrPepper]

As do lots of people (like neo-Nazis). The key is showing an intent to carry it out. Watch Minority Report. It demonstrates quite well the danger of making "thought crimes" criminal. Heading down that path means just looking at someone funny could mean a life sentence.

If a Jew dies and he is connected to it, then he gets locked up. Until then, keep an eye on him and who he spends his time with.


I call for the death of all members of the executive and legislative branches of the government but that doesn't mean I'd carry it out or want someone else to carry it out, does it? If someone were to act on my "call" without any direct tie to me, I am not a guilty party. I didn't commit a tangible crime.

Well yes it is a tough call. Personally I think having views such as Neo-Nazi, sectarian, anti-semite, racists are complete morons anyway. I actually enjoyed when I was in the Royal Navy that it has a zero tolerance towards people who behave in such manners. If someone was racist they faced severe disciplinary action even if they weren't serious. If I were to say I can't wait to go to afghanistan and kill all those paki's I'd be in severe trouble even though there was no tangible crime.

[FordGT90Concept]

Henry Ford was an anti-semite as was Thomas Edison. I wouldn't consider either "morons." I actually have very little information on why them, and others, were lead to their anti-semite beliefs. That might be an interesting story. In any event, there's always two sides to every coin. For example, if the Axis powers stood for anti-semitism, the Allies would be considered pro-semitism, no? The South during the US Civil war was pro-slavery while the North was anti-slavery. If anyone takes a position, there will always be someone to oppose it. History ultimately only remembers the side that won (e.g. a thousand years from today, how much coverage do you think slavery will have in the history books?).

Even if someone doesn't come out and say it doesn't mean they still aren't thinking it. Military ranks are all about the "chain of command" and discipline. That doesn't mean they aren't thinking it. They most likely save it for off-duty time.

People have to be held accountable for what they "say" but it isn't criminal until they "do."

[DrPepper]

Henry Ford was an anti-semite as was Thomas Edison. I wouldn't consider either "morons." I actually have very little information on why them, and others, were lead to their anti-semite beliefs. That might be an interesting story. In any event, there's always two sides to every coin. For example, if the Axis powers stood for anti-semitism, the Allies would be considered pro-semitism, no? The South during the US Civil war was pro-slavery while the North was anti-slavery. If anyone takes a position, there will always be someone to oppose it. History ultimately only remembers the side that won (e.g. a thousand years from today, how much coverage do you think slavery will have in the history books?).

Even if someone doesn't come out and say it doesn't mean they still aren't thinking it. Military ranks are all about the "chain of command" and discipline. That doesn't mean they aren't thinking it. They most likely save it for off-duty time.

People have to be held accountable for what they "say" but it isn't criminal until they "do."

Not morons in the sense they can't be intelligent but in the sense it's mostly irrational behaviour that holds very little to no grounds. Also if someone is thinking something thats fine by me. If they start preaching it and spreading hate that should be a crime. If I went out tomorrow and got a bunch of people and got them to kill someone would I not be equally as responsible since I manipulated them into doing it for me ?

[FordGT90Concept]

If I went out tomorrow and got a bunch of people and got them to kill someone would I not be equally as responsible since I manipulated them into doing it for me ?
That's the description of how most cults get brought down (e.g. Charles Manson). The same applies to war crimes. If your superior ordered you to commit a crime (like murder) and you obeyed because there was no conceivable alternative, the person in authority (generals, cult leaders, etc.) have almost as much blame as you. The key difference is that there is direct contact between them which is a clear sign of coercion. The weaker the connection between them, the harder it is to get a conviction.

[Magibeg]

There is actually a lot of crimes he could get dinged for. It's a crime in Canada to give death threats... i imagine it is in the US as well.

Also in our charter of rights:

"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

By trying to start a killing spree against a group it's affecting their right to life and security.

I'm sure there's more a good crown attorney could figure out.

[FordGT90Concept]

Death threats are often only criminal when involving coercion. The specifics vary state by state in the USA.


Words don't affect anyone's "right to life and security." If it were, every court in the world would be tied up with "death threat" cases. Death threats are, unfortunately, a common thing. There's way too many to prosecute and they only way they get any attention is usually involving stalker-like behavior (which qualifies as infriging upon the "right to life and security).

Put bluntly, I think the Canadian laws go too far to criminalize thought crimes, assuming a conviction is made.

[Magibeg]

Eh i wouldn't say that. Death threats for example are just as illegal in the US as they are in Canada. Just normally something like a death threat can't be acted upon because there is no proof. But when a large number of threats are made and they're actually recorded in a medium then some nasty laws can hit you. Compound that he was calling for a group of people to join him, that it was focused only on one specific group, and you have some nasty potential for criminal charges. It absolutely disrupts the security of other people when they're under threat of death.

[FordGT90Concept]

The conviction won't come because of his generic anti-semtic ramblings. It will be because of this statement:
"Our prime targets will be any major cities with Jews residing in them."


That's a terroism threat which basically means he's a terrorist. Because of all the acts of terrorism (bus bombings, subway bombings, aircraft in buildings, etc.), every terrorist threat is taken dead seriously. Had he not said that, and not admitted to being fanatical, I think he could have gotten out of it. He's basically turning himself in--probably for the sake of martyrdom.

He won't get a very long sentence though because he hasn't acted or coercied someone else into attacking.

[Magibeg]

Muslim attack on Christian village in Nigeria kills 8: army

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100717/wl_africa_afp/nigeriareligionunrest

[WhiteLotus]

Nigeria has always has problems like that. It's been North Vs South for a very long time. One of the reasons my friend doesn't go back "home" every now and then.

[Asiya]

Every religion to date has been made fun of, poked at and joked about. Islam is the only one that takes the banter to equal insulting.

I do not like the fact that you have been bullied because of your beliefs, but you (read Islam as a whole) must learn to laugh at your own religion.

Thank you for the advice, but its bigger then just jokes. I wish it stayed at jokes being made fun of us, I wouldn't mind at all but its worse then just jokes.
You can't really laugh when someone throws away your job application because they learned your Muslim. Or Every time a client of yours sees you, they tell your company to never send you again, although you were kind because your MUSLIM or when you get beat up in an alley made fun of in school or your mosque masjid gets burned <which happened to one I went to, and many more masjids then that! You can't really laugh at your religion, when so many of your brothers and sisters are being killed because of what a group of terrorists WHO HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM did. What would you do in this case? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Yes you would. Thanks for feeling with us, but trust me there is more then just jokes about Muslims going on... Way more...

[FordGT90Concept]

Thank you for the advice, but its bigger then just jokes. I wish it stayed at jokes being made fun of us, I wouldn't mind at all but its worse then just jokes.
You can't really laugh when someone throws away your job application because they learned your Muslim. Or Every time a client of yours sees you, they tell your company to never send you again, although you were kind because your MUSLIM...
Sue, employers legally can't discriminate against race, religion, or age if you can prove they did.


...when you get beat up in an alley made fun of in school...
There's always a group that get beat up/picked on because they are different. That issue is as old as humans.

...or your mosque masjid gets burned <which happened to one I went to, and many more masjids then that!
Churches get burned too. There's over 14 million hits for church burned (http://www.google.com/search?q=church+burned&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1). There's always been atheist -> theist, theist -> theist, and theist -> atheist hate crimes. That won't change any time soon.


You can't really laugh at your religion...
Depends on the material. If it were something making fun of the Pope, it will get a lot of laughs. If it was about burning a church down (or some other event involving death/destruction), it won't get many laughs.

[Papahyooie]

Thank you for the advice, but its bigger then just jokes. I wish it stayed at jokes being made fun of us, I wouldn't mind at all but its worse then just jokes.
You can't really laugh when someone throws away your job application because they learned your Muslim. Or Every time a client of yours sees you, they tell your company to never send you again, although you were kind because your MUSLIM or when you get beat up in an alley made fun of in school or your mosque masjid gets burned <which happened to one I went to, and many more masjids then that! You can't really laugh at your religion, when so many of your brothers and sisters are being killed because of what a group of terrorists WHO HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM did. What would you do in this case? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Yes you would. Thanks for feeling with us, but trust me there is more then just jokes about Muslims going on... Way more...

See, there's the problem. All the people doing those things were just kidding. It was all for teh lolz.

[DrPepper]

Thank you for the advice, but its bigger then just jokes. I wish it stayed at jokes being made fun of us, I wouldn't mind at all but its worse then just jokes.
You can't really laugh when someone throws away your job application because they learned your Muslim. Or Every time a client of yours sees you, they tell your company to never send you again, although you were kind because your MUSLIM or when you get beat up in an alley made fun of in school or your mosque masjid gets burned <which happened to one I went to, and many more masjids then that! You can't really laugh at your religion, when so many of your brothers and sisters are being killed because of what a group of terrorists WHO HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM did. What would you do in this case? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Yes you would. Thanks for feeling with us, but trust me there is more then just jokes about Muslims going on... Way more...

Irish people get super ripped on all the time for the actions of SOME ROMAN CATHOLICS.

Ginger people get ripped because they're ginger

Black people get discriminated against because they're black

Asians get called crap drivers because they're asian

Women are degraded because they're nothing but baby machines

Mormons get ripped because they believe Jesus was in America

Scientologists just get ripped because they're morons

African people get ripped because they're all starving

Jews nearly got wiped out because they were Jewish

Armenians almost got wiped out because they were Armenian

Native Americans almost got wiped out because they were there.

Protestants and Catholics fight even though they're the same faith

So it's nothing against muslims thats how it is. The Muslim community needs to totally distance themselves away from the radicals who are always on the news declaring that the UK Muslims should be governed through Sharia law etc etc.

[WhiteLotus]

So it's nothing against muslims thats how it is. The Muslim community needs to totally distance themselves away from the radicals who are always on the news declaring that the UK Muslims should be governed through Sharia law etc etc.
Sharia Law can suck the runny shit out of my anus after a really heavy night on the beer and curry if it ever gets fully implemented in UK law. I'm so against it it's not even funny.

[theJesus]

Just hand 'em all some video games and they'll shut up and forget about everything.

[FordGT90Concept]

So it's nothing against muslims thats how it is. The Muslim community needs to totally distance themselves away from the radicals who are always on the news declaring that the UK Muslims should be governed through Sharia law etc etc.
Completely agree with that. Imams around the world need to denounce terrorist attacks instead of embracing them (equivilent to saying nothing).

[theJesus]

Give the terrorists video games too.

[FordGT90Concept]

They got no power. :p

[theJesus]

Solar power? I'm sure they get plenty of sun over there lol

[FordGT90Concept]

That would work. XD

[SK-1]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100807/D9HELUQG0.html

[jmcslob]

Well now there are fewer Doctors in Afghanistan.....They knew the risk...

Only wish the people that did it realized that they weren't there to convert but keep them alive...Ehhhh That's what 30 years of war does to a people..They can't even see the good anymore

[SK-1]

That pretty much sums it up.:(

[erocker]

Before I call the Taliban Muslims, they are cowards first.

[jmcslob]

It's a cult.. The Taliban, that is
It's sad really, From what I know of Islam, It's not really about the violence.

It's more of a meaning But these people really don't know that because they aren't educated.

I don't mean educated by western Standards I mean educated enough to live by their own standards.
Those people have been at war almost nonstop since the early 80's.

They just need to stop.
It's like they are stuck on Pist Off