What is or is not Happening in Politics but should or shouldn't be happening?

[jmcslob]

Like the long ass title says
Make a list of should be or should not be happenings in our current model of Govt

Good, Bad, Kill it, Leave it, Bang it, whatever

[yogurt_21]

obama = bad
lobbyism = bad
bailouts = bad
debt = bad
ugly people allowed in public = bad

[DannibusX]

Reps are not reppin'.

[A Cheese Danish]

obama = bad
lobbyism = bad
bailouts = bad
debt = bad
ugly people allowed in public = bad

I wouldn't say bad to the last one, only because of the humor side.
Other than that, I agree.
(inb4 "you're an idiot"/"go dems!")

[jmcslob]

Anyone notice here in America we're being shown one disaster after another followed by corruption and scandal followed by disaster etc.. etc..

It's gettin really old imo..I'm starting to just not give a fuck...

If it's so bad How come I keep finding ways to do alright...

It's like a pattern...I work my way up, some greedy fucks take to much then the economy goes down..Then I gotta work my way back up and the economy gets fucked up after some greedy fuck learns all the loopholes and exploits the shit out of em...


I'm wondering why people don't find ways to group together under a unified voice to say no fucking way...

i think maybe cause people believe groups that do that kind of stuff are bad...


//rant//

[yogurt_21]

Anyone notice here in America we're being shown one disaster after another followed by corruption and scandal followed by disaster etc.. etc..

It's gettin really old imo..I'm starting to just not give a fuck...

If it's so bad How come I keep finding ways to do alright...

It's like a pattern...I work my way up, some greedy fucks take to much then the economy goes down..Then I gotta work my way back up and the economy gets fucked up after some greedy fuck learns all the loopholes and exploits the shit out of em...


I'm wondering why people don't find ways to group together under a unified voice to say no fucking way...

i think maybe cause people believe groups that do that kind of stuff are bad...


//rant//

you know the solution don't you? you need to become a greedy fuck. then you won't be affected by what other greedy fucks do because well, you'll be screwing them too.

[jmcslob]

Yeah maybe...

Check this out..

I'm gonna give my job 6 months If I can't find a way to make $.50 more an hour or a measly $11.00 an hour and or move up I'm out....But with 6 months experience at new type of job/ not really new to me but looks better on the resume new type...


But personally I can't see not getting promoted as the job is simple as Fuck...

Earlier today I corrected my trainer and showed her how to properly figure out a simple arithmetic problem....

Ive come to realize that my company, in which I cannot not name nor talk about in an open public forum as to the NDA they make you sign says (and you start at 8$ and 50 measly cents an hour) can't get anyone to work there.

So when they come across someone with better than an 8th grade education they do what they can to keep em..LOL

I don't get it...Why people can't do this job...All you literally have to do is Not give a Fuck and say what the computer tells you to say LuLzzz.

Like The hardest part of the job is to listen to someone bitch while you relate the info from the screen to what some dumb shitz bitching about...

Ive done that at every job Ive had just in a different way But now I don't have to do it face to face I'm doin it on the phone.

I'm literally supposed to Bullshit my way through the day So now all I need to do is find a way to get paid more and have a better schedule and my ass will be happy enough...

I'm happy with where I live, I can put food on the Table and support my Hobbies and spoil my daughter and my wife..

I don't need anything else
I'm content (content the adjective)

But I'm getting sick and fucking tired of having to work up to that....
I'm tired of the stupid hours
I'm tired of putting forth effort

I just want to do my job get paid then go home and live my life

I just can't understand why that's not enough for everybody....

Sure I'd like to build the worlds fastest Super Computer but I'm happy building mid level gaming rigs...

But theirs motherfuckers out there that like boats and end up with the worlds biggest yacht just because they can when by all means a 55' yacht would have been 10x more than they ever needed....

We all have to accept limits
Sorry but having enough money for several generations to survive on without ever having to do anything but what they want is Bullshit

IMO if you don't contribute to society your fuckin worthless
That goes for those fuckin wellfare bitches too.

I think whats not happening here is there should be is a Holiday were people that contribute gets to hunt down a worthless and choke em ...LOL


///rant

[FordGT90Concept]

You're talking like a socialist ("Sorry but having enough money for several generations to survive on without ever having to do anything but what they want is Bullshit") again--and a pessimistic ("We all have to accept limits") one at that.

There are the legitimate wealthy (earned it) and the crooks. The world could do without the crooks but the legitimately weathy got their excessively heavy pockets by providing something the world really needed.

[jmcslob]

No I'm talking like a realist....It's just not practical for people to have whatever they want..Specially for those that have contributed nothing...
There is a big difference between socialism and acceptable limits...

I'm not alone in this opinion as people of the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet etc.. agree
I have no problem with standards such as those people have and they contribute to society.

I'm Literally talking about the Paris Hilton's and the Hood trash wellfare leaches

[FordGT90Concept]

It is practical for people to have what they can afford. Money is the great equalier in all modern societies.

Hilton is an heiress to her father's fortune and I'm sure she's making a great deal of money on all the stuff she does for MTV.

Welfare fraud = criminals.

[DrPepper]

You're talking like a socialist ("Sorry but having enough money for several generations to survive on without ever having to do anything but what they want is Bullshit") again--and a pessimistic ("We all have to accept limits") one at that.

There's nothing wrong with socialism. I don't mind rich people. What would I do if I was Mr Gates, shit I'd spend it on the country I live in, improved infrastructure, give the armed forces bigger donations stuff that would benefit others.

No I'm talking like a realist....It's just not practical for people to have whatever they want..Specially for those that have contributed nothing...
There is a big difference between socialism and acceptable limits...

I'm not alone in this opinion as people of the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet etc.. agree
I have no problem with standards such as those people have and they contribute to society.

I'm Literally talking about the Paris Hilton's and the Hood trash wellfare leaches

Exactly who needs a fucking yacht anyway. If I was a millionaire I'd still live in the same damn house and still game away on my pc like a regular person. I wouldn't fall for all this fancy fine wine and dining bullshit that everyone aspires to.

[FordGT90Concept]

There's nothing wrong with socialism. I don't mind rich people. What would I do if I was Mr Gates, shit I'd spend it on the country I live in, improved infrastructure, give the armed forces bigger donations stuff that would benefit others.
Every socialist state has failed--same goes for communist.

Infrastructure and "armed forces" is a government responsibility. If the wealthy started doing that, we'd be living in a feudal system.

Gates and Buffet both donate millions of dollars annually to the Bill and Melinda Gates' Foundation.



Exactly who needs a fucking yacht anyway. If I was a millionaire I'd still live in the same damn house and still game away on my pc like a regular person. I wouldn't fall for all this fancy fine wine and dining bullshit that everyone aspires to.
Excess is the reason why a lot of people work hard at their jobs except, for most of us, excess is in the form of a fancy car, house, or entertainment set. Those that make more money have loftier goals they work for be it classic car collections or $100 million yachts.

Buffet, for example, lives a very meager existance. For example, here's his house:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Dundee_HD_Omaha_NE.JPG/800px-Dundee_HD_Omaha_NE.JPG

Not all weathy people live extravagantly.

[DrPepper]

Every socialist state has failed--same goes for communist.

Infrastructure and "armed forces" is a government responsibility. If the wealthy started doing that, we'd be living in a feudal system.

Gates and Buffet both donate millions of dollars annually to the Bill and Melinda Gates' Foundation.

Excess is the reason why a lot of people work hard at their jobs except, for most of us, excess is in the form of a fancy car, house, or entertainment set. Those that make more money have loftier goals they work for be it classic car collections or $100 million yachts.

Buffet, for example, lives a very meager existance. For example, here's his house:

Not all weathy people live extravagantly.

Righty-ho I'm just going to bullet point all this.

Britian is kinda socialist and hasn't failed. Didn't even mention communism at all.

You've no idea what I meant with the armed forces thing.

I know they do I don't live under a rock.

Excess is what turns people into complete dicks. The only people who get my respect are people in the military and people who do the hard work that make these people rich.

You obviously don't have the slightest idea of meagre if that's what you classify as meagre and no not all wealthy people live extravagantly that's quite obvious in the same sense that not all poor people are sad.

[FordGT90Concept]

Britian is a parlimentary republic with lots of social programs. France used to be socialist.


They were dicks before they got excess, most of the time.

It is meager compared to what most millionaires and billionaires have. His house is actually quite comparative to a family making $100,000-200,000 a year.

[DrPepper]

Britian is a parlimentary republic with lots of social programs. France used to be socialist.


They were dicks before they got excess, most of the time.

It is meager compared to what most millionaires and billionaires have. His house is actually quite comparative to a family making $100,000-200,000 a year.

The house I live in is a typical middle class house in Britain and it is absolutely tiny compared to that. Pretty much all brits will tell you the same. Our garden is about 10 square feet and that's it. 3 bedrooms, 1 toilet, kitchen, livingroom/diningroom and thats it.

[FordGT90Concept]

Houses are bigger in the Midwest (where Buffet lives) because space is more readily available.

Let me rephrase that: Buffet's house is relatively modest for the Midwest. :p

[Wile E]

My take on it is, if I earned it, it's mine. Fuck you and earn your own like I did. I'm not here to give shit away for free, unless I choose to.

[jmcslob]

Ahhh But the problem is most of the time these people didn't earn it but simply started with the odds leveraged in their favor..So saying that they earned it is often a far stretch if not a total lie.

I believe for true progress certain shit needs to be leveraged more towards the people rather than the individual..It's almost like saying that there is safety in numbers.

The best this country has ever done was when money was properly dispersed even though the majority of the people were poor at the there was something called the "Middle Class".

@Drpepper
I so get what you were trying to say..
It's like these people have a Mental illness...Money Hoarding

[FordGT90Concept]

What odds were leveraged in their favor? Did Henry Ford have the odds leveraged in his favor? Did Bill Gates have the odds leveraged in his favor? Did Thomas Edison have the odds leveraged in his favor? No. They all had at least one brilliant idea and knew how to capitalize on it. Edison put it best: "Genius is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration." All three men are successful because they worked at it for years and didn't give up.

What I get from your post there is you are unwilling to address the 99% perspiration and want the government (aka other people) to do it for you. Laziness (masking your "safety in numbers") is the bane of capitalism and the foundation of socialism.

Money was never "properly dispersed even" in the history of the USA. In fact, "middle class" didn't become a social term until 1911 (after the industrial revolution got underway).

[jmcslob]

Edison, Ford, Gates
They put forth effort to succeed.....Ford's Great grand son does not..

Edison worked hard his entire life and succeeded

Gates got a Family loan and an Idea off a Gas station Clerk and turned it into billions

Leverage definitely exists....

Even still those people earned what they got...To many get what they got handed to them...I'm simply for everybody starting from the same place and letting the fittest succeed...That's all

[Wile E]

Edison, Ford, Gates
They put forth effort to succeed.....Ford's Great grand son does not..

Edison worked hard his entire life and succeeded

Gates got a Family loan and an Idea off a Gas station Clerk and turned it into billions

Leverage definitely exists....

Even still those people earned what they got...To many get what they got handed to them...I'm simply for everybody starting from the same place and letting the fittest succeed...That's allSo what do you propose, Ford's and Gates's families go poor when they die? If I end up succeeding tremendously and earn a shitload of money, I sure as hell want my family taken care of after I die. That's the whole reason I would've worked towards it to begin with.

Get a fucking grip, this is nothing but pure jealousy on your part. You don't have what they have, so you think it isn't fair. Well, fucking news flash, you didn't earn that money either. If you want to spread the wealth so bad, give away all your money. I'll send you my paypal.

[DaMulta]

Who said anything about making the richest people in America poor?



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E02E1DD1539EF3ABC4953DFB1668389 639EDE
ROCKEFELLER DEATH TAXES $60,000,000; Inheritance Dues Are Figured on a Total Estate of $200,000,000. $50,000,000 GOES TO U.S. Executor Garver Silent When Asked if Personal Instructions Were Left for Charities.

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July 1, 1922, Saturday

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Inheritance taxes amounttng to $60,000,000 may have to be paid by the estate of William Rockefeller, who Bird on June 24 at Tarrytown, and whose will was filed for probate in the Surrogate's Court on Thursday by the executors, William G. and Perey A. Rockefelier, sons, and John A. Garver of the law firm of Sherman Sterling. The figure would include both Federal and State taxes.



I myself even stand to inherit a large sum of zeros when my dad bites the dust. I don't think I will have a problem paying 40% or so to the Government when that time comes. I didn't work for it, and it could go towards a lot of good in the US.



Gates has said in the past he is going to leave his sons 10Million, and then donate all of the rest of his life savings.


The best this country ever has done is when the top paid super high taxes/ We built highways and all sorts of things with the taxes. We had a real middle class, and min wage at one point was worth over twice what it is now.


Also how many people really get effected by these super high taxes that it puts them in the poor house? I would ventor out to say zero.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/business/09estate.html
We just had one billionare die, and didn't have to let any of it go to taxes. Yet the Rockefellers paid 70%, and they stayed super rich.

[MT Alex]

How to Identify Legal Plunder
By Frederic Bastiat, 1850

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.

[DaMulta]

Everyone has a stake in needs and functions of government, so everyone should pay. Yet, the richest in America pay less % in taxes than some of the lower class people. Is that really fair?

If 10 of us were sitting at the dinner table, and I took 99% of all the food on the table. Some of you are going to starve to death unless I give a little.
Yet, if I was force to give some of my food. Said 40% of my 99% to the 9 other people at the table. I'm still going to eat more, and everyone else will be not as full. Just not starving to death as they were.

What happens when all the money ends up in bank accounts for just a few hands of people? DO we just print more money making what is left more worthless? You can only split a bean so many times.

[jmcslob]

So what do you propose, Ford's and Gates's families go poor when they die? If I end up succeeding tremendously and earn a shitload of money, I sure as hell want my family taken care of after I die. That's the whole reason I would've worked towards it to begin with.

Get a fucking grip, this is nothing but pure jealousy on your part. You don't have what they have, so you think it isn't fair. Well, fucking news flash, you didn't earn that money either. If you want to spread the wealth so bad, give away all your money. I'll send you my paypal.

That's not what I'm saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I'm saying is simply this.....
If you earn something then you should get it...
No I don't think when someone dies their Family shouldn't inherit their money, But It should be money or land But I don't think that should include Companies....

Ownership of companies should be given to the people that earned it such as the people that work there that put their time and effort into it... and not just some random spoiled offspring..

[momentomoir]

Heres my opinion on the rich poor and middle class
take into consideration first my family is rich as in my grandpa died a mulit billionaire rich
my imedate family is middle class and i am a broke ass mother fucker

not all rich people flaunt there money not all rich people just magically got money sure some of my family kinda did but the rest got it through blood sweat and tears they worked there asses off before they got there inheritance most of my family live in a average house dont have a yaht or anything like that
my great grandpa did he had a big house a big pond in his backyard but it took him years and years to get that he started his own steel errection company buillt the old texas stadium half of the dfw lonestar park he built his way up through this company to get to where he was imo he deserverd and shouldnt have more money taking away from him bc he got off his ass
Now poor people we have a difficult time to get a job but we cant all get the benifits of wellfare medicade(i have skin cancer i cant hear possibly diabetic and have a few other medical issues and i still cant get it) i cant get food stamps nothing yet i have no where to live neither of us have a job when i applied but yet some douchebag guy with a new challenger with 24inch rims will walk in all decked out and have a lonestar card(which is food stamps) when im standing there bearly able to pay for gas now how fucked up is that
im in need and i cant get it and this douche bag isnt in need and gets help


and i really dont like the high tax of 40% i think it should be less its really not fair to pay the government 40% i think u should have to do something more productive with the money like donate 40% to breast cancer or skin cancer


thats what i think is wrong and i think its wrong for people to judge other classes til theyve been on all 3 lvls

[jmcslob]

@ MM
Like I said I don't like leaches rich or poor and it's fucked up you can't get the temporary help that you need cause some Douche bags are living off the money that should be used to help citizens such as yourself in times of hardship.

Nothing bugs me more than to see a dirty city full of wellfare collectors....
I say Fuck Volunteer work put those people to work doing cleanup etc...
We're paying them already might as well give em a job too.

and i don't give a rats ass about those people that say it's not right to put em to work doing the jobs nobody wants...99% of the people in this country are doing jobs they don't want and if they don't like it they can seek work elsewhere.

and to the people that are gonna say it's socialism I hope they realize it's better to get SOMETHING out of these people rather than nothing.

And I have no problem with people inheriting money, Land etc..

But I do have a problem with people inheriting Companies that were built on the backs of the employees that followed the original owners dream whilst they did whatever they wanted living a spoiled ass life.

[yogurt_21]

@ MM
Like I said I don't like leaches rich or poor and it's fucked up you can't get the temporary help that you need cause some Douche bags are living off the money that should be used to help citizens such as yourself in times of hardship.

Nothing bugs me more than to see a dirty city full of wellfare collectors....
I say Fuck Volunteer work put those people to work doing cleanup etc...
We're paying them already might as well give em a job too.

and i don't give a rats ass about those people that say it's not right to put em to work doing the jobs nobody wants...99% of the people in this country are doing jobs they don't want and if they don't like it they can seek work elsewhere.

and to the people that are gonna say it's socialism I hope they realize it's better to get SOMETHING out of these people rather than nothing.

And I have no problem with people inheriting money, Land etc..

But I do have a problem with people inheriting Companies that were built on the backs of the employees that followed the original owners dream whilst they did whatever they wanted living a spoiled ass life.

I like that idea, it's not socialism then because it would simply eb the same as the govt providing jobs. In this case qualifications already exist just the same as they do when you get hired somwhere (although skills are less important here then just being broke) and we're actaully getting something back from it. We'd need to work out the logistics for diabled and sick but even for those in the hospital there are literally hours and hour throughout the day where they are stuck doing nothing. Give em a laptop and have them do csr or some other job where you don't need to be onsite.

[momentomoir]

I dont lets say my family started another fortune 500 business thats a family business and it becomes rich and profitable but we have people that arent in the family working at this place but we wanna make sure this business is passed down so things dont get changed

i think thats how it should be imo everyone should be allowed to inherit anything

[FordGT90Concept]

I like that idea, it's not socialism then because it would simply eb the same as the govt providing jobs.
Which is the very definition of socialism--government owns most of the jobs and currently, the government is the largest employer in the USA.


The problem with jobs is none other than the Democrats on the capital hill. All the entrepreneurs and business leaders look at the economy and say: "That shit ain't stable." There's an enormous federal debt and no one (even the "middle class" folk) are not confident in spending significant sums of money. Banks are the number one problem, still. Over 100 banks have failed this year and no banks are willing to establish new lines of credit to businesses willing to expand. Until that confidence is restored, this economy will not recover. More government jobs means more debt and more debt means an even more unstable economy as the dollar slips. Washington has already outpaced its limits and they did it in a careless and stupid way (making all the special interests happy)--that's why this recession is going to last a long ass time.

[jmcslob]

@MM
In cases like that the owner of the company should, as most do, decide which members of the family are worth having take over and give them shares in the Company and tbh any good business owner will have such things done before they die...

@Ford
So it's better to pay these people to do nothing?
Your probably thinking Just cut em off..

I'm sorry but to me that's just fucked up..
again rich or poor Leaches are Leaches and they need eliminated IMO it's either contribute or GTFO

[FordGT90Concept]

Unemployment is supposed to be only a temporary program to help familes as they find another job. If you're working 10 hour days on a road project, it's very difficult to apply for other jobs; moreover, most jobs these days are skilled labor--even road construction. Quite simply, there are no massive government projects these days that are suitable for unskilled labor that isn't already being done by prisioners.


If you're talking about Social Security fraud, the people on it legimately are incapable of working. No one drawing on Social Security is, by any measure, wealthy.

<social program> fraud has always been a problem. You got a better idea how to police it without making peoples' lives more miserable than they already are?

[yogurt_21]

Which is the very definition of socialism--government owns most of the jobs and currently, the government is the largest employer in the USA.


The problem with jobs is none other than the Democrats on the capital hill. All the entrepreneurs and business leaders look at the economy and say: "That shit ain't stable." There's an enormous federal debt and no one (even the "middle class" folk) are not confident in spending significant sums of money. Banks are the number one problem, still. Over 100 banks have failed this year and no banks are willing to establish new lines of credit to businesses willing to expand. Until that confidence is restored, this economy will not recover. More government jobs means more debt and more debt means an even more unstable economy as the dollar slips. Washington has already outpaced its limits and they did it in a careless and stupid way (making all the special interests happy)--that's why this recession is going to last a long ass time.

so your argument is that the welfare and disability we currently givfe away for free will be more expensive if we make them work for what they are given in whatever manner they can?

seriously?

[momentomoir]

they seriously stop giving away money to people that dont need

government:congratz for bring ur 6th child into this shit whole of alife bc u cant afford kids nor will you get off your lazy ass so we'll give u money
fat ass woman: thanks

gov. congratz on selling drugs i know u dont wanna make an honest living heres so money
drug dealer: yo dawg thax

thats how it works then you have people like me
barely making enough money cant feed theirselves while everyone and there dog is asking for money from u and having a few medical problems like skin cancer getting worse but no u tell this to the councilor do they help no

bc i dont have a kid and bc im white

[DrPepper]

bc i dont have a kid and bc im white

Yeah I'm sure that's why.

[momentomoir]

Yeah I'm sure that's why.

it is why else wouldnt u help out a homeless jobless person with skin cancer that can proove it ? why would u push some one like me aside who has no one else to go to


but some fat bitch that just has kids for welfare checks and some drug selling convict can get goverment help

[DrPepper]

it is why else wouldnt u help out a homeless jobless person with skin cancer that can proove it ? why would u push some one like me aside who has no one else to go to


but some fat bitch that just has kids for welfare checks and some drug selling convict can get goverment help

The answer is you should sell drugs or have kids.

[momentomoir]

The answer is you should sell drugs or have kids.

ya seems like it

but i would never ever bring a kid into a situation like mine

and my luck i would sell drugs and get caught

[FordGT90Concept]

so your argument is that the welfare and disability we currently givfe away for free will be more expensive if we make them work for what they are given in whatever manner they can?

seriously?
Can't answer that because, as far as I know, it has never been tried, namely, because of the very definition of "disability:" cannot work/unemployable.