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DaMulta
05-19-2009, 04:23 AM
Have to give a big fat Thank You, and then sadly fuck you to Lincoln!

These happen to be my Fav cars of all time. They all just ride like dreams!

Mark II
http://www.myclassicsandhotrods.com/listings/2047_1956_Lincoln_Mark%20II_IMG_3214.JPG
http://www.myclassicsandhotrods.com/listings/2057_1956_Lincoln_Mark%20II_IMG_3225.JPG

Mark III
http://www.lincolnversailles.com/LCM3/LCM3%20Home%20Front.jpg
http://www.lincolnversailles.com/LCM3/LCM3%20Home%20Back.jpg

Mark V
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/11/18/automobiles/600-low-span.jpg
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/svcc/Boyd1979Mark5.jpg

Lincoln Mark V Limo
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2005/12/2006BJCCA2_1316_34.jpg

Mark VI
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3343/4361/33357180002_large.jpg

Mark VII
http://media.motortopia.com/files/4269/vehicle/46b66a63d6518/Mark05.jpg

Mark III
http://www.theautochannel.com/media/photos/lincoln/96_lincoln_mark8.jpg

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THEN WTF DO YOU GUYS NEED TO GET BITCHED SLAPPED?????


WTF WTF WTF BELOW NEVER EVER RELEASED!





The Lincoln Mark 9 Coupe's designers began work on the 2001 concept by studying Lincoln's heritage.

"In our exploration, we learned that two Lincoln coupes - the 1940 Continental and the 1956 Continental Mark II - followed by the iconic Continental sedans and convertibles of the 1960s, had tremendous cache and were incredible design statements. Interestingly, they all have design elements that are still appropriate in a modern context." Said Lincoln Design Director Gerry McGovern.

"When a brand has such a strong design heritage as Lincoln, the challenge is to recognize the past without being held back by it," McGovern says. "Between the 1940s and the 1960s, Lincolns were about beautiful proportions, elegant sophistication and restraint. These are qualities we can realize in a modern context without being at all retrospective."

The Lincoln Mark 9 Coupe concept was typically American. Big, bold, imposing and luxurious. The interior featured a symmetrical dash with indirectly illuminated jewel-like instruments, Marlboro red and dark cherry leather two-tone upholstery and polished metal accents.





Mark IX
http://www.babez.de/lincoln/mk9/newtitel.jpg

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Lincoln-Mark-9-Coupe-rear.jpg

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/2001lincoln_mk9_3.jpg

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/2001lincoln_mk9_5.jpg

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/2001lincoln_mk9_7.jpg

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/2001lincoln_mk9_9.jpg

http://images15.fotki.com/v10/photos/9/9586/3309319/LincolnMK_9_03-vi.jpg

http://images15.fotki.com/v10/photos/9/9586/3309319/LincolnMK_9_07-vi.jpg

http://images15.fotki.com/v10/photos/9/9586/3309319/LincolnMK_9_15-vi.jpg

At the 2001 New York Motorshow Lincoln showed this Mk 9 Concept. Intrinsic details of the MK 9's exterior, such as the chrome-accented upper shoulder line that runs the length of the vehicle, are applied with absolute precision. Gloss black paint highlights the superb execution of the body surfaces. The face of the MK 9 incorporates an evolution of a Lincoln signature grille flanked by twin xenon gas discharge headlamps. The turn signal indicators are integrated into each lamp unit.

Intrinsic details of the MK 9's exterior, such as the chrome-accented upper shoulder line that runs the length of the vehicle, are applied with absolute precision. Gloss black paint highlights the superb execution of the body surfaces. The face of the MK 9 incorporates an evolution of a Lincoln signature grille flanked by twin xenon gas discharge headlamps. The turn signal indicators are integrated into each lamp unit.

Inside the MK 9, a combination of Dark Cherry Red and Marlboro Red leathers with accents of polished metal create a luxurious lounge environment. Dark Cherry saddle leather is used for the flooring, and white leather is used for the headliner. The front seats - which are cantilevered off the center console to improve passenger foot space - take their design influence from the Eames Lounge Chair, a mid-20th Century American classic, which was designed for comfort.

The MK9's controls are a combination of advanced digital and analog interfaces. Navigation and telematics information is displayed on a reconfigurable screen in the center console that is operated by retractable controls that sit flush when not in use. The transmission selection is by an electronic, column-mounted paddle shifter. The center and roof consoles have dimmable electro-luminescent light panels behind translucent metallic surfaces. Individual spotlights mounted in the headliner use fiber-optic technology.


Lincoln Mark X

http://www.kris.1000lecie.pl/dream1/2004%20Lincoln%20Mark%20X%20concept-fVr%20at%20show=mx=.jpg

http://www.babez.de/lincoln/markx/pic02.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v53/photos/9/9586/3309319/MARKX_15-vi.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v53/photos/9/9586/3309319/MARKX_16-vi.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v53/photos/9/9586/3309319/MARKX_17-vi.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v53/photos/9/9586/3309319/MARKX_18-vi.jpg

http://images5.fotki.com/v53/photos/9/9586/3309319/MARKX_19-vi.jpg

from Ford Press Release) "The focus with Mark X was on pure, integrated design. Our holistic exterior and interior design approach instantly shows its rewards…"

– Marek Reichman, Chief Designer

* Mark X’s sumptuous interior and integrated exterior design theme embody future Lincoln luxury.
* Mark X is Lincoln’s first convertible with a power-folding, retractable, glass-roofed hard top.
The forward-looking design aspirations of Lincoln vehicles in the 21st century are expressed by the Mark X, Lincoln’s first two-door convertible concept with a power-folding, retractable, glass-roofed hard top.

Mark X, pronounced "Mark Ten," is a two-seat luxury convertible roadster that blends design elegance with driving athleticism. The use of rich materials, varying textures and contrasting colors represents an evolution of the current Lincoln design philosophy.

Throughout its history, Lincoln has used the Mark name to signal a truly special vehicle. It began with Edsel Ford’s first Continental, the Mark I. Next followed the 1956 Continental Mark II, which quickly became a classic because of its high quality, clean styling and consumate good taste.

The 1969 Mark III went on to sell more than 30,000 units, making it at the time, Lincoln’s most successful new model ever. Other Mark vehicles were introduced in the 1970s, ‘80s and ‘90s.

The Mark X concept is designed to demonstrate the potential of the Lincoln brand by stretching its DNA to a sophisticated roadster. While a concept at this point, Mark X illustrates one possibility for expanding Lincoln into new luxury niches.

"The focus with Mark X was on pure, integrated design," said Marek Reichman, chief designer. "Our holistic exterior and interior design approach instantly shows its rewards, competing against the best personal luxury convertibles in the world."

Based on the rear-wheel-drive Ford Thunderbird architecture, Mark X features a 3.9-liter, 4-valve DOHC V-8 aluminum engine mated to a five-speed automatic transmission delivering 280 horsepower and 286 foot-pounds of torque. Its athletic stance is accomplished through 19-inch, 12-spoke machined aluminum wheels with P245/40/R19 Michelin tires on the front and wider P275/35/R19 tires in the rear.

Clean Surface Design

Mark X’s surface language is a model of precision engineering. Emphasis was placed on integrating design into the functional aspects of the car from the expansive grille to the innovative door handles to the sleek rear fascia. The result is an uncluttered exterior where essential details like the delicate contrast of Atlantic Pearl paint, chrome accents and well-placed Lincoln emblems are subtle, yet drape the vehicle in elegance.

The focal point of Mark X’s exterior is a new Lincoln grille. The polished aluminum egg-crate grille features a rhythmic pattern of solid horizontal and vertical chrome trim. Mark X’s grille may appear on future Lincoln vehicles.

Two High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps use an arc capsule to generate a faster response and produce double the amount of light compared to a conventional headlamp.

Mark X’s sleek 185-inch profile is accentuated through the refined use of a chrome finisher along the upper shoulder line that wraps the entire vehicle and a subtle shoulder break that runs front to rear. Understated breaks also appear on the rear deck and hood while heated exterior rear view mirrors with directional indicators are elongated for visual emphasis.

Occupants access Mark X using slender polished aluminum door handles that are flush-mounted to the driver and passenger door surface. Thumb locators set in the door handles allow the handles to reveal themselves when pushed. Both doors can also be opened by remote keyless entry.

To ease ingress and egress, one-piece hinges on the inside driver and passenger doors move the doors forward and out to give increased foot clearance at the front compared with conventional hinges.

Mark X’s boattail rear fascia offers pure and clean surfaces without typical bumper offsets. The wide, Light Emitting Diode (LED) tail lamps center the Lincoln emblem. The LEDs light up 200 milliseconds faster than traditional bulbs, consume less power and outlast more conventional lighting sources. Consistent with the vehicle’s integrated design theme, the dual exhaust pipes are neatly placed into Mark X’s sloping rear.

At nearly 15 cubic feet, Mark X’s leather-lined trunk is spacious. The fully powered two-piece glass roof is choreographed to stow smartly into the rear deck in less than 30 seconds without interfering with trunk space.

Inviting and Indulgent Interior

Mark X’s high-quality interior showcases Ford Motor Company’s tripling of investment in interior design.

The interior workmanship of Mark X is flawlessly crafted. The right combination of contrasting colors and textured materials presents a modern and luxurious cabin. Mark X’s Lime Sorbet interior is complemented with White Corian accents, polished aluminum, dark chrome, natural grain leather seating, plush sheepskin flooring and tailored tone-on-tone stitching throughout.

The instrument panel integrates a softly illuminated, jewel-like instrument cluster that combines analog with digital technology. A solid flowing center console constructed of ribbed dark chrome separates driver and passenger, unites the interior with the exterior and conceals a storage unit in the rear bulk head. A laser-inscribed "Lincoln Mark X" vanity plate above the glove box suggests an air of luxury.

A four-spoke, power adjustable steering wheel wrapped with leather and dark chrome features cruise, volume and navigation controls. Mark X’s SelectShift transmission allows the driver to shift from manual drive to a five-speed automatic from the steering wheel or shifter in the center console.

A multi-functional, 7-inch LCD information panel is operated by a mouse located in the center console and displays satellite navigation, climate control status and vehicle dynamics like seat memory or tire pressure.

Occupants further benefit from Mark X amenities like rain-sensing windshield wipers, an automatic dimming interior rear view mirror and Lincoln’s exclusive THX®-certified audio system with six speakers, automatic mute control and automatic volume adjust. Dual zone climate control with pollen filtration allows a 30-degree F difference in temperature settings for the driver and passenger.





WTF FORD/Lincoln?

1Kurgan1
05-19-2009, 04:42 AM
What exactly is going on here? Guess A) Lincoln will no longer make 2 door RWD cars or guess B) you like those concept cars?

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 04:57 AM
B)

I'm mad they killed off the Mark Cars



Just like a ton of people were mad when they killed off the Camaro.

1Kurgan1
05-19-2009, 06:18 AM
The Mark cars were interesting, usually a Mustang motor put in a family car. I actually have a 96 Continental sitting out in my feild, most likely parting it out, but it has the 280hp 4.6L DOHC with 32 valves, moved pretty good for a boat.

JC316
05-19-2009, 08:12 AM
The Mark cars were interesting, usually a Mustang motor put in a family car. I actually have a 96 Continental sitting out in my feild, most likely parting it out, but it has the 280hp 4.6L DOHC with 32 valves, moved pretty good for a boat.

Actually, the Conti only produced 260HP, but still nice. I had a Mark VIII of my own for a while, but it was junk and eventually scrapped. I would like to get another one, but for now, my Mustang GT is nice.

1Kurgan1
05-19-2009, 09:23 AM
Actually, the Conti only produced 260HP, but still nice. I had a Mark VIII of my own for a while, but it was junk and eventually scrapped. I would like to get another one, but for now, my Mustang GT is nice.

So it did, I see it was the Mark VIII with 280hp. I already mentioned my motor in the other thread, but might as well here too since you had a Mark VIII too bad you didn't keep that motor for a swap.

JC316
05-19-2009, 09:34 AM
So it did, I see it was the Mark VIII with 280hp. I already mentioned my motor in the other thread, but might as well here too since you had a Mark VIII too bad you didn't keep that motor for a swap.

Agreed. I would have probably swapped it out, but I can get plenty from the 4.6 in my stang when I get the money.

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 12:32 PM
They did release a few of these babies....This is STOCK!
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The 1993 is the fastest one(besides the one above lol). It will out run the 1998 Ver by a whole car length.

Also the 93 280 HP and WOULD out run every GT in the 90s BUT the Cobra seeing that it has the supercharger, but it fits right on the mark.....

Buy one of these
1996 mark viii M8-SCT-CHIP
Hell you can get it at autozone the mustange one will work 1993-96 all same parts on mark/ Matches up with 1996 Cobra parts.
Price: $325.00
http://lsc.netherealm.net/chip.html

Adds about 20 house power and makes it shift more like a street car should(or install a shift kit like I did)

I have owed two......


Take out the fuel pump and replace
* Outflows stock uints by over 50%
* Direct factory replacement
* Works great on everything from stock to nitrous or supercharger equipped models.
http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/MarkVIII/ViewDetails/graphics/fuelpump.jpg
255 lph......$129.00

I added the 190 and I could spin the tires in 3ed gear/no chip.....just the fuel pump....


Then install 30 pound injectors
http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/MarkVIII/ViewDetails/fuelinjectors.html
259.00



http://www.nitrostreet.com/injectors.htm

Looking around 370-400Hourse Power


Agreed. I would have probably swapped it out, but I can get plenty from the 4.6 in my stang when I get the money.

The Stang GT is a 16 Valve single cam

While the Mark is like the Cobra

32 Valve 4 cams

1Kurgan1
05-19-2009, 02:16 PM
The 90's Cobras (4.6L's) didn't have a Supercharger, they were just the 4.6L DOHC motor. 03-04 were the SVT's that got the first M112's tossed on them. He knows more cams/valves in the Mark motor, but he's just saying the 16 valve can make plenty power, which it can with the right mods, after all the Mustang aftermarket is massive.

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 02:45 PM
his is better at low speeds than a full out run.

He is a mechanic I know he very well knows lol

The cobra did not get the DOHC till 1996

All those after market can go on a mark also which is kind of kool.


Damn I always thought the R had the supercharger on it....hmmm

Anyways

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1994-1995-1996-1997-1998-ford-mustang8.htm

EDIT with video link it did come with one"CRAZY ME I ALWAYS THOUGHT it had a a supercharger"....it's just 5.4 liters.....I would what that would cost to mod that on......hmmm

It's 3500 for the mark to get that super charger(whats in that video above).

The R did come with one just like I thought
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/96-Ford-Mustang-Cobra-SVT_162228.htm

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 02:51 PM
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98 Mark VIII LSC vs 98 Cobra Vert

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 03:02 PM
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Love this video

1Kurgan1
05-19-2009, 06:02 PM
his is better at low speeds than a full out run.

He is a mechanic I know he very well knows lol

The cobra did not get the DOHC till 1996

All those after market can go on a mark also which is kind of kool.


Damn I always thought the R had the supercharger on it....hmmm

Anyways

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1994-1995-1996-1997-1998-ford-mustang8.htm

EDIT with video link it did come with one"CRAZY ME I ALWAYS THOUGHT it had a a supercharger"....it's just 5.4 liters.....I would what that would cost to mod that on......hmmm

It's 3500 for the mark to get that super charger(whats in that video above).

The R did come with one just like I thought
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/96-Ford-Mustang-Cobra-SVT_162228.htm

Yeah the Cobra R was a 1 year only run(1 year for the mod motor ones, I know 93 and 95 had them, but those were 5.0's) as far as I know, it was 385hp and was a pretty bare bones (light weight) and rare ride meant for the track, in my mind they made it to face off against the ZO6 that was coming out in 2001. That Video you linked was not a stock Cobra, that was a slew of aftermarket parts on their, including the supercharger, as that was a centrifugal SC and any that Ford or SVT puts on their cars are a Roots blower or a Whipple. And notice thats a 4.6L like the other Cobras where as the Cobra R was a 5.4L, but that shouldn't cost much to mod as I am pretty sure it's the same motor as the Lightnings had, except instead of low compression piston, it had high comp ones since it didn't have an SC on it. Also should be able to use most parts the 5.4L's in any of the basic trucks could use.

But yeah 96 was the year of the 4.6L change over, was kind of strange that they switched the Mustang body style in 94, but kept the 5.0L only to switch it out 2 years later.

yogurt_21
05-19-2009, 07:14 PM
holy essay post batman!

I think ford is more worried about profitability right now than classics. once they get back on their feet you can get your buddies together and petition to bring it back.

JC316
05-19-2009, 07:42 PM
The Stang GT is a 16 Valve single cam

While the Mark is like the Cobra

32 Valve 4 cams

Doesn't matter. All I would have to find is a 96 cobra intake and the GT's computer will control it. Just have to get it tuned for the Cobra engine and it would be fine. Well documented on the mustang forums that I go to.

Edit:

With a PI headswap and LT headers, I could eat a Mark VIII alive, already come close to smacking a stock one around. And yes, the stang is a ton faster off the line than a Mark VIII, it's when the mark hits second that I need to be afraid. Damulata, did you do the 1-2 accumulator spring upgrade? Did you J-Mod or put an aftermarket shift kit in? Also, slap 4.10 gears in that Mark and make a high 13 second quarter mile stock.

DaMulta
05-19-2009, 07:48 PM
You should add 30 pound injectors with a high end after market pump. Any higher and it would just flood out unless you had a superchager on it.


I do have a intake for a mark viii also( I have a extra mark for parts) I need to take it off for a rod any ways.....if you wanted to work out a deal on it let me know.....The GT computer will handle it also seeing that it uses the same performance chip.....

T3hPwn3r3r
05-19-2009, 08:03 PM
Somewhat related -
My Grandma's 05 Town Car is badass beyond belief.

mlee49
05-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Lincoln has always a great sense of style. Gotta give props to the early work though, thats my favorite.

T3hPwn3r3r
05-21-2009, 07:17 PM
Yeah, though when it comes to American cars I love nothing more than GM, Lincoln has the luxury segment downpacked.


Cadillacs are bland shit.

1Kurgan1
05-21-2009, 07:45 PM
Cadillacs are bland shit.

All I got to say is CTS-V

T3hPwn3r3r
05-21-2009, 07:52 PM
Fast, but by far one of the most boring interiors of all time.

T3hPwn3r3r
05-21-2009, 07:57 PM
http://www.rpmdaily.com/images/cts_interior.jpg

WTF analog clock?


http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/AkinaGhost1206.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/audi/s4_2004/2004_audi_s4_04_m.jpg

I'm a VAG guy, but still, Cadillac is all looks, no function.

Also costs more for less performance and features until you hit CTS-V.

Wile E
05-22-2009, 07:33 AM
his is better at low speeds than a full out run.

He is a mechanic I know he very well knows lol

The cobra did not get the DOHC till 1996

All those after market can go on a mark also which is kind of kool.


Damn I always thought the R had the supercharger on it....hmmm

Anyways

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1994-1995-1996-1997-1998-ford-mustang8.htm

EDIT with video link it did come with one"CRAZY ME I ALWAYS THOUGHT it had a a supercharger"....it's just 5.4 liters.....I would what that would cost to mod that on......hmmm

It's 3500 for the mark to get that super charger(whats in that video above).

The R did come with one just like I thought
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/96-Ford-Mustang-Cobra-SVT_162228.htm
Prior to 96, the Cobra had a 5.0L with GT40 heads and Cobra Intake. It was rated for 235hp, but that was a gross underrate. Estimates put it at around 265 HP in some cases. Easily out-does a stock Mark of any vintage, due to the availability of a manual trans, lighter weight (especially the 93), and much more torque. The exceptions being Mustang convertibles, as they weigh more than the fixed roof cars.

The 1995 Cobra R had a 351W with the same GT40 Heads/Intake, and was rated at 300HP, which was a bit closer to the truth.

96 Brought the DOHC 4.6 to the Cobra with 305HP

99 saw the DOHC Cobra engine get an upgrade to the 320HP level.

2000 Brought another Cobra R. This time with a DOHC 5.4.

2003 brought the Supercharged DOHC 4.6

As far as GT's (and LX's), manual trans 5.0s 93 and older, should be a nice run, due to the weight advantage, but should ultimately beat the Mark VIII. 94 and 95 5.0's would likely lose, but only by a small amount. 96-98 GT's are dogs, and would lose easily to a 4.6l Mark.

99 and up should see a manual trans Mustang GT winning again.

All of this is in reference to the fastest of the Marks, the Mark VIII.

Mark VII's do not hold a candle to the Mustang GTs of the same years, as they are the same chassis and driveline, but are a much heavier car.

As far as your "stock" Lincoln Mark VIII video up there, that isn't a stock car, it's a tuner car.

Here's is a Mustang you could actually get at Ford dealerships in those years with actual production car status, thru Ford financing, and with a full factory warranty. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/112_9604_mustang_saleen_roadtest/saleen_engine.html 480HP stock. The RS model put out 510HP, stock.

1Kurgan1
05-22-2009, 11:52 AM
[img]I'm a VAG guy, but still, Cadillac is all looks, no function.

Also costs more for less performance and features until you hit CTS-V.

I'm not a picky interior guy myself, I think people make far too bigt of a deal there. I might be paying either price tag, but I am happy with just having the options, my 99 GP has plenty enough styling and options for me. But as far as more for less, not really true as Caddys always had the Northstar motors that were an awesome package, and even now the 3,6L is a very good motor and at a very competitive price. And if you want to bump it up a bit, but not as high as the CTS-V always have the STS-V, it's a good lineup.

yogurt_21
05-22-2009, 02:46 PM
Prior to 96, the Cobra had a 5.0L with GT40 heads and Cobra Intake. It was rated for 235hp, but that was a gross underrate. Estimates put it at around 265 HP in some cases. Easily out-does a stock Mark of any vintage, due to the availability of a manual trans, lighter weight (especially the 93), and much more torque. The exceptions being Mustang convertibles, as they weigh more than the fixed roof cars.

The 1995 Cobra R had a 351W with the same GT40 Heads/Intake, and was rated at 300HP, which was a bit closer to the truth.

96 Brought the DOHC 4.6 to the Cobra with 305HP

99 saw the DOHC Cobra engine get an upgrade to the 320HP level.

2000 Brought another Cobra R. This time with a DOHC 5.4.

2003 brought the Supercharged DOHC 4.6

As far as GT's (and LX's), manual trans 5.0s 93 and older, should be a nice run, due to the weight advantage, but should ultimately beat the Mark VIII. 94 and 95 5.0's would likely lose, but only by a small amount. 96-98 GT's are dogs, and would lose easily to a 4.6l Mark.

99 and up should see a manual trans Mustang GT winning again.

All of this is in reference to the fastest of the Marks, the Mark VIII.

Mark VII's do not hold a candle to the Mustang GTs of the same years, as they are the same chassis and driveline, but are a much heavier car.

As far as your "stock" Lincoln Mark VIII video up there, that isn't a stock car, it's a tuner car.

Here's is a Mustang you could actually get at Ford dealerships in those years with actual production car status, thru Ford financing, and with a full factory warranty. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/112_9604_mustang_saleen_roadtest/saleen_engine.html 480HP stock. The RS model put out 510HP, stock.

and yet for the same price as that 480hp stock mustang you could get a 71' fastback and take it to 900hp or greater. it really surprises me how much some people will pay to get all of that "stock" when a little elbow grease could get you so much more.

T3hPwn3r3r
05-22-2009, 05:10 PM
I'm not a picky interior guy myself, I think people make far too bigt of a deal there. I might be paying either price tag, but I am happy with just having the options, my 99 GP has plenty enough styling and options for me. But as far as more for less, not really true as Caddys always had the Northstar motors that were an awesome package, and even now the 3,6L is a very good motor and at a very competitive price. And if you want to bump it up a bit, but not as high as the CTS-V always have the STS-V, it's a good lineup.

The way I like to see it... I'm HOPEFULLY buying a car where I will be exposed to the interior more than the motor or the gas pump!

I mean, it's the part of the car you see more than anyone else, and spend most of your time around your car in, and if it's not abso-fucking-lutely up to my standards, I can't justify paying 10-20 grand for it.

1Kurgan1
05-22-2009, 08:45 PM
and yet for the same price as that 480hp stock mustang you could get a 71' fastback and take it to 900hp or greater. it really surprises me how much some people will pay to get all of that "stock" when a little elbow grease could get you so much more.

I do agree I wouldn't pay the price for a new Cobra, I would buy a base Vette for that price. But a 71 Mustang is also ugly, if your aiming for a Stang your aiming for a 66 - 69 fastback or 69-70. But even then those motors no matter what they are 302, 351C, 390, 429, they can't take 900hp. That would require a completely top to bottom motor rebuild, a very nice tranny, and rear end rebuild hoping it has a 9".

That kind of power is hard for any car to make just by bolting on something to force in air, that kind of power will make most motors pop. Granted actually the new Cobra motors are really stout and I am pretty sure those can actualyl take 900hp, so it's almost opposite.

The way I like to see it... I'm HOPEFULLY buying a car where I will be exposed to the interior more than the motor or the gas pump!

I mean, it's the part of the car you see more than anyone else, and spend most of your time around your car in, and if it's not abso-fucking-lutely up to my standards, I can't justify paying 10-20 grand for it.

I do agree, not saying I don't like a nice interior, but I'm not terribly picky. I am a person who likes luxury cars. my old SHO's (for being almost a 20 year old car) had climate control, and 6 way power seats, auto headlights, and a bunch of other options. My new GP is loaded with all that and heated setas, heads up display, and passenger climate too.

The Caddy is nice, the only thing I don't like with it is the clock like you mentioned. The rest doesn't look bad at all, and I'm sure you can check the time on the navigation system. The rest of that interior actually looks very nice.

T3hPwn3r3r
05-22-2009, 09:00 PM
Problem with GM is their interiors are loaded in plastic plarts. Though they're light years ahead of Dodge, Toyota, and Ford, they're not quite German :P

1Kurgan1
05-23-2009, 01:48 AM
For sure, German's interior quality is amazing. My GP
s interior has a ton of plastic, it looks nice and doesn't creek though, thats whats important to me for the most part. Unlike my friends 93 Camaro, it is all plastic, but it creeks like crazy, he has papers jammed in between his plastic pieces to keep them from making noise, lol.

Wile E
05-29-2009, 07:28 AM
and yet for the same price as that 480hp stock mustang you could get a 71' fastback and take it to 900hp or greater. it really surprises me how much some people will pay to get all of that "stock" when a little elbow grease could get you so much more.

And you wouldn't have had a car worth as much in terms of collectability, as safe as, or have a full factory warranty. Pros and Cons, tit for tat.

RevengE
05-29-2009, 07:33 AM
I love the trailer in the background of the pic of the mark v.

RevengE
05-29-2009, 07:35 AM
http://www.rpmdaily.com/images/cts_interior.jpg

WTF analog clock?


http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/AkinaGhost1206.jpg
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/audi/s4_2004/2004_audi_s4_04_m.jpg

I'm a VAG guy, but still, Cadillac is all looks, no function.

Also costs more for less performance and features until you hit CTS-V.

an S4 is more than likely going to be my next car. an RS4 is my dream car but I can't afford one quite yet.

yogurt_21
05-29-2009, 03:15 PM
And you wouldn't have had a car worth as much in terms of collectability, as safe as, or have a full factory warranty. Pros and Cons, tit for tat.

this is true, I guess if you wait a year and buy one used it's not as bad. but that initial markup is quite taxing and Its much easier to mod older cars.