Nice birthday present. 92 T-bird Super Coupe.

[JC316]

My mom went and got me a car for my B day, so I am now the proud owner of a 92 T-bird SC 5 speed. Has 150K on it and it's in rough shape, but I will have it really nice before too terribly long. Has a knock somewhere in the top end, the supercharger needs to be rebuilt, and the tranny needs new syncros, but I found a log book in the car and it had an engine rebuild 20K ago. It's definitely a project. The interior is almost perfect and I found 3 amps, two 12" woofers in a bandpass box and kennwood speakers all the way around in it. Has Cobra R wheels on it and an aftermarket hood. I will grab pics of it in it's current state in a few.

[jmcslob]

If it's your B-Day Happy Bday...If I missed it Happy Belated Bday, If it's not your Bday yet then fuck off.....til then....LuLzzz.....


Happy Bday whenever

[JC316]

If it's your B-Day Happy Bday...If I missed it Happy Belated Bday, If it's not your Bday yet then fuck off.....til then....LuLzzz.....


Happy Bday whenever

Not quite there yet, another week to be exact. Just kinda hard to hide it from me when you need my truck to go get the Tbird lol.

[DannibusX]

Nice JC! Happy Birthday, and we'll want pics.

[de.das.dude]

HAPPY BDAY!!!

and pixXx or GTFO

[JC316]

Here are some crappy pics of it. The douchebag 3.8L emblems are going to be deleted. Going to paint it back original and delete the douchebag flames down the side. Also going to get rid of those Cobra R's and get some black FR500 wheels for it.

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[3991v]

Nice car man! Can't wait to see it running again :D

[JC316]

Nice car man! Can't wait to see it running again :D

Me either. Definitely going to be upgrading the exhaust on it. From what I gather, getting headers, true duals, and a resonator delete added 25RWP.

[1Kurgan1]

Very nice, SC's are sexy, welcome to the M90 club!

[JC316]

Very nice, SC's are sexy, welcome to the M90 club!

Thanks. Yeah, my M90 either needs a rebuild or replace, but at 150K, who can blame it? She is a heap right now, but I will get it fixed up.

[Polaris573]

I'm jealous. I love the SC and MN12.

[JC316]

I'm jealous. I love the SC and MN12.

The biggest thing is how comfortable it is compare to my old mustangs. So much more room inside as well.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah, those are basically the same seats that come in SHO's, best seats out there I have ever sat in, as far as factory seats go.

[Reventon]

Damn, that's actually pretty sweet. Happy birthday man, looks good. Black FR500s would look smooth on this.

[erocker]

Man, that's a sweet car. All the SC's around here have rusted out so they are scarce to non-existent. Give that thing a complete rebuild and make it fast! (toast)

[_JP_]

Happy BDay! That's a very nice set of wheels.

[DaveK]

Happy belated birthday man (toast) Sounds like it's going to be a fun project, good luck with it. Can't wait to see it when it's done :)

On the topic of douchebag flames, that's what I hate about used cars. Anything I've always looked at Japanese cars, anything from an 86 Corolla, Silvia to the Civic, they've all pretty much had mods on them. Usually consisting of a ricer exhaust, small and cheap-non brand rims, tinted windows and a stereo system bought from Argos.

When I buy a car, I'm gonna try get it stock and add proper after market parts to it. No point adding a bodykit unless it'll be used on track and the last thing I'd want is tinted windows.

[JC316]

Damn, that's actually pretty sweet. Happy birthday man, looks good. Black FR500s would look smooth on this.

The Cobra R's and 03 Cobra wheels have been done to death on the SC, they are sexy, but done. I haven't seen many FR500's.

Man, that's a sweet car. All the SC's around here have rusted out so they are scarce to non-existent. Give that thing a complete rebuild and make it fast! (toast)

The beauty of a Texas car. I fully intend on making it fast. Need to find out what gears it has to start with, will probably go to a 3.73 out back.

Happy BDay! That's a very nice set of wheels.

Happy belated birthday man (toast) Sounds like it's going to be a fun project, good luck with it. Can't wait to see it when it's done :)

On the topic of douchebag flames, that's what I hate about used cars. Anything I've always looked at Japanese cars, anything from an 86 Corolla, Silvia to the Civic, they've all pretty much had mods on them. Usually consisting of a ricer exhaust, small and cheap-non brand rims, tinted windows and a stereo system bought from Argos.

When I buy a car, I'm gonna try get it stock and add proper after market parts to it. No point adding a bodykit unless it'll be used on track and the last thing I'd want is tinted windows.

The B day isn't actually belated, it's early. My B day is Monday, but it's kinda hard to hide a Tbird from me since she need my truck to pick it up lol.

Tint is good on the right car. This one is going to get tint to the legal limit, plus it helps with the Texas sun. The stock SC body kit is just fine for me. It has a nice aftermarket hood on it though.

[Wile E]

My mom went and got me a car for my B day, so I am now the proud owner of a 92 T-bird SC 5 speed. Has 150K on it and it's in rough shape, but I will have it really nice before too terribly long. Has a knock somewhere in the top end, the supercharger needs to be rebuilt, and the tranny needs new syncros, but I found a log book in the car and it had an engine rebuild 20K ago. It's definitely a project. The interior is almost perfect and I found 3 amps, two 12" woofers in a bandpass box and kennwood speakers all the way around in it. Has Cobra R wheels on it and an aftermarket hood. I will grab pics of it in it's current state in a few.

Sweet. Those were hard to find with 5 speeds. Just take the SC off, fabricate an aluminum box to take it's place, then turbo it. Bolt a T56 to it, and have a blast. :D

[JC316]

Sweet. Those were hard to find with 5 speeds. Just take the SC off, fabricate an aluminum box to take it's place, then turbo it. Bolt a T56 to it, and have a blast. :D

T56 has crossed my mind, but I don't have the funds for it yet. May have to start a 6 speed bird fund. Don't know about the turbo, I kind of like the supercharger, even if it does suck the power down a bit.

[Wile E]

Then shoehorn a Kenne Belle or Whipple on there. :D

[JC316]

Then shoehorn a Kenne Belle or Whipple on there. :D

KB has also crossed my mind :D

My biggest problem is that I don't know enough about this engine yet. What the limits are on the internals, what makes power, what doesn't etc.

[Wile E]

The 3.8 in the SC's are much stronger than the vanilla ones. The block and heads are beefier. They are not the same castings as the NA 3.8 at all. The crank is forged. Can't remember if the rods are, but they handle plenty of power. Pretty much only need forged pistons and a cam to make decent power with a good blower.

[JC316]

The 3.8 in the SC's are much stronger than the vanilla ones. The block and heads are beefier. They are not the same castings as the NA 3.8 at all. The crank is forged. Can't remember if the rods are, but they handle plenty of power. Pretty much only need forged pistons and a cam to make decent power with a good blower.

Rods and crank are forged, pistons aren't.

[Wile E]

Ahhh, here's the differences: http://www.sccoa.com/articles/everwonder.php

[JC316]

Wow, I just found out that the stock internals are good to around 450RWP. Tough little motor. I am in the process of tearing mine down, it either has a spun rod bearing or a busted piston.

[Wile E]

While you have it apart, have the rods magnafluxed, shot peened, destressed and resized. They are worth a little extra effort. It isn't all that expensive to have done. Couple refreshed.

If you want to just go ahead and go with forged pistons, Wiseco has drop in replacements. PT-113-H2 or PT-113-H3 for 20 or 30 over respectively.

I say a fully refreshed bottom end with the forged piston upgrade is the way to go.

[JC316]

While you have it apart, have the rods magnafluxed, shot peened, destressed and resized. They are worth a little extra effort. It isn't all that expensive to have done. Couple refreshed.

If you want to just go ahead and go with forged pistons, Wiseco has drop in replacements. PT-113-H2 or PT-113-H3 for 20 or 30 over respectively.

I say a fully refreshed bottom end with the forged piston upgrade is the way to go.

I am not sure that I need the forged pistons. I highly doubt that I will ever see over 350RWP on the car.

[Wile E]

Meh, get em anyway. Better safe than sorry. Once the power bug bites, it usually bites hard. No sense in having to tear the engine apart a second time if you change your mind later. Do it right the first time.

[JC316]

Meh, get em anyway. Better safe than sorry. Once the power bug bites, it usually bites hard. No sense in having to tear the engine apart a second time if you change your mind later. Do it right the first time.

I am usually pretty happy with a 13 second car. I would rather spend the money on getting the paint done right. 300-350RWP is plenty for me.

[1Kurgan1]

If you plan on keeping the M90, you won't really be able to pass 350whp anyways unless you also through nitrous at it.

[JC316]

If you plan on keeping the M90, you won't really be able to pass 350whp anyways unless you also through nitrous at it.

I know. The popular choice is the whipple 1.7L AR. You can make serious power with that one.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah, that would be nice, but whipples are $$$. Even from the few SC's I can find running whipples they aren't breaking 450whp anyways. You just going to search for a new engine or actually replacing the pistons?

[JC316]

Yeah, that would be nice, but whipples are $$$. Even from the few SC's I can find running whipples they aren't breaking 450whp anyways. You just going to search for a new engine or actually replacing the pistons?

Not sure of the damage inside. Gonna have to tear it down.

[Wile E]

I am usually pretty happy with a 13 second car. I would rather spend the money on getting the paint done right. 300-350RWP is plenty for me.

Paint is for pansies. Drivetrain is all that matters.

Still say forged is the way to go.

[JC316]

Paint is for pansies. Drivetrain is all that matters.

Still say forged is the way to go.

I like a balanced mix between power and looks. I will likely go back with stock internals. Beauty of being a mechanic, if I want more power later, I will just tear back in.

[Wile E]

That's the point, why tear back in, when you can do it right the first time? And whose to say you'll have enough wall thickness for another rebuild down the road?

Looks should be the last priority. Looks don't make your car go. Note: This does not mean not to take care of the car structurally. Most certainly make sure it's chassis is solid. But sacrificing engine strength for looks is just stupid.

[JC316]

That's the point, why tear back in, when you can do it right the first time? And whose to say you'll have enough wall thickness for another rebuild down the road?

Looks should be the last priority. Looks don't make your car go. Note: This does not mean not to take care of the car structurally. Most certainly make sure it's chassis is solid. But sacrificing engine strength for looks is just stupid.

I build to my needs. My mustang could take 400RWP, but I never went that far. I don't see the need to put unnecessary money in when I will never use it. If I were planning to make big power, then yeah I would build the internals. If the stockers are 100% safe with 400RWP and I never plan to go over 350RWP, then why should I build to accommodate 500RWP?

[Wile E]

Because with a gear head, eventually 350hp will not be enough. Well, that assumes you actually keep a car for once. Hit the Texas Mile once, or the drag strip, and you'll see why more power is always fun. You should always overbuild to your immediate needs.

[JC316]

Because with a gear head, eventually 350hp will not be enough. Well, that assumes you actually keep a car for once. Hit the Texas Mile once, or the drag strip, and you'll see why more power is always fun. You should always overbuild to your immediate needs.

This one I am planning on keeping. Mustangs are a dime a dozen, but there are two Super Coupes in the local area, one is an automatic and the other has a salvage title.

[1Kurgan1]

If you weren't going to keep it, I would say go stock. But if you are keeping this, then you might as well go forged if your already tearing into it. Even if you don't break 350whp, just peace of mind. And if you do sell it ever, people will pay more as they won't have to do the work themselves.

Not sure of the damage inside. Gonna have to tear it down.

Probably the rotor coating, the old M90's had insanely thick rotor coating, the Gen 5's used super thin teflon like material that doesn't really matter when missing. But with the thick old coating it created clearance and boost bypass. I would almost say screw fixing and recoating it. Just pick up a used M112 and drop it on there.

[Reventon]

Wow, I just found out that the stock internals are good to around 450RWP. Tough little motor. I am in the process of tearing mine down, it either has a spun rod bearing or a busted piston.

Very nice. Hopefully you'll be able to use it to it's full potential, should be a sweet car.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

dash way the s/c and go PTE6262DBB

[FordGT90Concept]

I think I like the '87-'88 model year T-Bird better. That looks pretty...compact by comparison.

[1Kurgan1]

I think I like the '87-'88 model year T-Bird better. That looks pretty...compact by comparison.

It's bigger, the Turbo Coupes are smaller cars. Not sure about interior space though, but Super coupes are long cars.

[JC316]

It's bigger, the Turbo Coupes are smaller cars. Not sure about interior space though, but Super coupes are long cars.

The MN12 is way bigger than the old fox bird inside and out. I will FINALLY be able to get some work done on it this weekend. Completely caught up on work cars.

[cdawall]

3.73s are to low for that trans 3.27s will be more useful my buddy is on his 3rd supercoupe they are cool little cars his last one was meth injected and pushing over 500rwhp god that thing moved.

[JC316]

3.73s are to low for that trans 3.27s will be more useful my buddy is on his 3rd supercoupe they are cool little cars his last one was meth injected and pushing over 500rwhp god that thing moved.

It has the stock 3.27 traction lok rear end, so I am good. Found a few more mods. Custom built exhaust 2.5" exhaust system going through high flow cats, into a magnaflow resonator, then expanding into a 3" pipe to magnaflow mufflers. Popped the valve covers off and found ARP head studs. Also found a BBK 75MM throttle body.

[cdawall]

It has the stock 3.27 traction lok rear end, so I am good. Found a few more mods. Custom built exhaust 2.5" exhaust system going through high flow cats, into a magnaflow resonator, then expanding into a 3" pipe to magnaflow mufflers. Popped the valve covers off and found ARP head studs. Also found a BBK 75MM throttle body.

sounds like you have a good starting block i will talk to my body with his and see what he says as well there is a ton of stuff he has planned for his current one he is swapping superchargers shortly but i cannot remember to which.

[Wile E]

_FBi;113300']dash way the s/c and go PTE6262DBB

IF that's the one I think it is, that's too much turbo for this engine, at least in near stock trim anyway. I'd rather hang a pair of GT2860RS's from it.
3.73s are to low for that trans 3.27s will be more useful my buddy is on his 3rd supercoupe they are cool little cars his last one was meth injected and pushing over 500rwhp god that thing moved.

3.73's aren't too much for them. Pushing it a little, but not too much. 3.27's are too tall. 3.55's are the best compromise for one with the stock cam and rev limiter or stock tire height. Throw a cam in it and up the revs, or throw a taller tire on the rear, and 3.73's become perfect, and 4.10's become the ones that push it to the limit for street use.

Either way, 3.27's aren't enough gear.

[cdawall]

IF that's the one I think it is, that's too much turbo for this engine, at least in near stock trim anyway. I'd rather hang a pair of GT2860RS's from it.


3.73's aren't too much for them. Pushing it a little, but not too much. 3.27's are too tall. 3.55's are the best compromise for one with the stock cam and rev limiter or stock tire height. Throw a cam in it and up the revs, or throw a taller tire on the rear, and 3.73's become perfect, and 4.10's become the ones that push it to the limit for street use.

Either way, 3.27's aren't enough gear.

they are if you want to be civil on the freeway... 3.55s would work very well but 3.27s do good with a better supercharger. i drove one with 3.73s and some light boltons pulley swap etc. and it was way to much on the freeway rev wise.

[Wile E]

Define way too much. Also keep in mind his is a more rare 5 speed model. 3.73's were perfectly acceptable in the SC's I've been in.

Having a supercharger has nothing to do with it at all. All that maters is what revs you shift at, tire height, and trans gearing.

[Black Panther]

Nice car! You're lucky! :)

And Happy Birthday!

[cdawall]

Define way too much. Also keep in mind his is a more rare 5 speed model. 3.73's were perfectly acceptable in the SC's I've been in.

Having a supercharger has nothing to do with it at all. All that maters is what revs you shift at, tire height, and trans gearing.

I know he has the 5spd I also know its the one out of an f150 with a granny 1st.

[JC316]

I know he has the 5spd I also know its the one out of an f150 with a granny 1st.

It's not a granny 1st gear in the M5OD series. The ZF series had the granny low with a 5.72 ratio.

The truck M5OD that I have in my F150 has this:

3.90
2.25
1.50
1.00
0.80

The M5R2 RKE in the T-bird has this:

3.75
2.32
1.43
1.00
0.75

That being said, the M5OD has a stupidly short 1st gear. It redlines at 15MPH in my F150, but the Effie can only rev to 4K. The T-bird can rev to 6K and has a slightly taller 1st gear.

[cdawall]

It's not a granny 1st gear in the M5OD series. The ZF series had the granny low with a 5.72 ratio.

The truck M5OD that I have in my F150 has this:

3.90
2.25
1.50
1.00
0.80

The M5R2 RKE in the T-bird has this:

3.75
2.32
1.43
1.00
0.75

That being said, the M5OD has a stupidly short 1st gear. It redlines at 15MPH in my F150, but the Effie can only rev to 4K. The T-bird can rev to 6K and has a slightly taller 1st gear.

its still an M5OD-R2 same transmission with slightly different gears. it is still stupidly low compared to lets say a T56 in a vette. which is 1st 2.66 2nd 1.78 3rd 1.30 4th 1.00 5th 0.74 6th 0.50 for a C5 or 1 2.97 2 2.07 3 1.43 4 1.00 5 0.80 6 0.62 for the t56 5.0 stang....

[Wile E]

Yeah, but those also have an extra gear to play with, so spacing can be closer. You need to compare to other 5 speeds. Like, say the T5, which are anywhere from 3.35-3.95 1st, iirc. Even Tremec TKO's come in a 3.27 1st.

But, that's beside the point. 1st gear doesn't matter. What matters is your cruising gear. 3.73 with a .75 5th gear is more than acceptable.

3.73's would be my choice, as most of my driving is around town, where there is no effect on mileage for the most part. You just shift more. I might consider 3.55's if I did mostly highway driving, but probably not.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

A friend of mine added a 5.0 final to his DC5R the other day, you guys have some talll finals

[JC316]

Yeah, but those also have an extra gear to play with, so spacing can be closer. You need to compare to other 5 speeds. Like, say the T5, which are anywhere from 3.35-3.95 1st, iirc. Even Tremec TKO's come in a 3.27 1st.

But, that's beside the point. 1st gear doesn't matter. What matters is your cruising gear. 3.73 with a .75 5th gear is more than acceptable.

3.73's would be my choice, as most of my driving is around town, where there is no effect on mileage for the most part. You just shift more. I might consider 3.55's if I did mostly highway driving, but probably not.

I will see how it feels with the 3.27's because I drive all highway.

[JC316]

Finally got the sucker tore down to the short block. Found the issue. Number 1 rod had no bearing. No, it wasn't in the pan, looks more like someone forgot to put the bearing on. Then the number 4 rod bearing was spun.

Wile E will be glad to hear that someone beat me to the pistons. It has some sealed power hyper eutectic pistons, hardened and coated, .20 over. Good to 600HP. Also looks like some forged I beam rods. ARP Main and head studs. So, I have to send the crank out and get it turned, then get the rods re-sized and throw it back together.

[1Kurgan1]

Over sized bearings scare me

[JC316]

Over sized bearings scare me

Why? No different than a stock one really.

[1Kurgan1]

No real reason except the last machinework I had done (granted not for a crank) was not good.

[JC316]

No real reason except the last machinework I had done (granted not for a crank) was not good.

Well, I have a good local machine shop, but I went ahead and ordered a remanfactured crank from Rock Auto. Would rather pay $180 shipped from them for a crank that comes with new bearings, than pay $300 local for the same stuff.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah, I think thats a much more solid plan.

[JC316]

Yeah, I think thats a much more solid plan.

Agreed, the only problem is waiting a week for the parts to arrive.

[1Kurgan1]

I say while you waiting that week, you fashion some turbo piping. With your latest discovery on the pistons, I wouldn't bother with the M90. I do love roots sound and would say go bigger, but to make you own piping and buy a turbo is much cheaper.

[JC316]

I say while you waiting that week, you fashion some turbo piping. With your latest discovery on the pistons, I wouldn't bother with the M90. I do love roots sound and would say go bigger, but to make you own piping and buy a turbo is much cheaper.

Probably a good plan, but I just like superchargers. No, I will likely be spending this week tearing the transmission down and doing my first rebuild ever.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah, I love the Roots sound, and if you really want to keep it, maybe look for an M112, or if you can a M122, but those are pretty rare. Can't really go beyond that and keep the SC without going whipple, which is $$$.

Or you could keep the M90 and toss on a small turbo. A few guys do it for GP's and make some pretty sick power, and the power band is really nice, even down low because of the SC. Only downfall here is weight.

[JC316]

Yeah, I love the Roots sound, and if you really want to keep it, maybe look for an M112, or if you can a M122, but those are pretty rare. Can't really go beyond that and keep the SC without going whipple, which is $$$.

Or you could keep the M90 and toss on a small turbo. A few guys do it for GP's and make some pretty sick power, and the power band is really nice, even down low because of the SC. Only downfall here is weight.

The m112 is on my watch list right now. Again, I am not looking to make really high power. I will be happy with 270 to the wheels, which is very doable with the M90 and really doable with the M112.

[Wile E]

Go junkyard scavenging for a pair of old T3's off of the earlier Turbo Coupes, Merkur XR4Ti's or turbo 4 mustangs. Good for around 450 with tuning on higher, and instant response, and then just use a boost controller to turn it down into the 300hp range for daily driving.

Or, if looking new, A single GT28RS is good for 325-350 crank, but will probably see full boost by 2500 rpm on a 3.8. They make full boost by 3200-3500 on a 2.0 4 cyl in most cases.

That's one of the biggest reasons I like turbos. Electronic controllers offer on the fly boost changes. hey are just more versatile, not to mention more efficient overall.

[JC316]

Well, it's been a stupidly long road, but I finally got the sucker running. I have technically had it running since late June, but I have been trying to find a supercharger for it. Got screwed once, then the second guy took a while to ship. Still not done with it, got a shit ton of exterior stuff to fix, but it's running enough to get a 0-60 video.

I have done the following:

Rebuilt the engine. .20 over pistons, re manufactured crank, rings, shaved the heads, etc.
Rebuilt the transmission. New bearings, seals and syncros.
Used supercharger with 3.0 pulley
New HD clutch kit.
New ABS pump motor.

Mods List:

ARP Main and Head Studs.
75MM TB with matching MAF
.20 Over pistons
Full 3" exhaust with magnaflow resonator
3.0 pulley on the supercharger
B&M short throw shifter
CAI


And the 0-60 video. Keep in mind that it's my first video with the car and I have bald assed rear tires, so that is why I launched so soft. I might have boost leaks as well since I am only pulling about 11PSI and stock is 14PSI. Could be that I have less restriction than stock, thus less boost, not sure yet.

Checked the time in windows movie maker and it's right around 7.5 seconds to 60MPH. Not bad for how soft I launched. With some good tires and a bit of practice, I bet I can get that down to 6.8-7.1 seconds. Not too shabby for a 3800lbs land yacht.

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[1Kurgan1]

Not bad for a soft launch, surprised the M90 is so quiet with a smaller pulley and a CAI. What size is the stock pulley on those again, I remember you saying it was something pretty small.

[JC316]

Not bad for a soft launch, surprised the M90 is so quiet with a smaller pulley and a CAI. What size is the stock pulley on those again, I remember you saying it was something pretty small.

Stock pulley is 3.5. Camera isn't picking up the audio for crap, it's very noisy inside.

[1Kurgan1]

Ah, 3.5" and a factory IC makes sense why the PSI is so high from the factory. I'd be surprised if the CAI, TB, and exhaust would be enough to drop your PSI that much, but then again maybe your catback is horrible. I know on GP's theres a stupid U in the exhaust, but removing that I don't even think is good for dropping 1 PSI.

[JC316]

Ah, 3.5" and a factory IC makes sense why the PSI is so high from the factory. I'd be surprised if the CAI, TB, and exhaust would be enough to drop your PSI that much, but then again maybe your catback is horrible. I know on GP's theres a stupid U in the exhaust, but removing that I don't even think is good for dropping 1 PSI.

Factory exhaust is stupidly restrictive. Usually a 20-30HP gain from a 3" setup with high flow resonator. On top of that, the stock TB is 55MM. Still, I would expect a bit more than 11PSI, need to check all of my intercooler tubes.

[FordGT90Concept]

Checked the time in windows movie maker and it's right around 7.5 seconds to 60MPH. Not bad for how soft I launched. With some good tires and a bit of practice, I bet I can get that down to 6.8-7.1 seconds. Not too shabby for a 3800lbs land yacht.
2011 F-150 w/ 3.5L EcoBoost
5528lbs
0-60: 6.2 seconds


Oh how I want to stick one of those engines in an '88 turbo coupe.

[1Kurgan1]

2011 F-150 w/ 3.5L EcoBoost
5528lbs
0-60: 6.2 seconds


Oh how I want to stick one of those engines in an '88 turbo coupe.

Maybe once the cost of them comes down from wrecked cars. the 2.3L is a plenty capable platform though, moving to the 3.5L with TT's will be a big weight increase, plus it's a DOHC motor, so it's really wide, probably be a tight fit in a fox (though I'm sure it's possible).

[cdawall]

Maybe once the cost of them comes down from wrecked cars. the 2.3L is a plenty capable platform though, moving to the 3.5L with TT's will be a big weight increase, plus it's a DOHC motor, so it's really wide, probably be a tight fit in a fox (though I'm sure it's possible).

if you can shoehorn a 4.6L DOHC i think the little 3.5L will fit in there. i would love to see that damn 3.5L in a ranger 3600lbs with that much HP would be kind of awesome from ford.

[1Kurgan1]

if you can shoehorn a 4.6L DOHC i think the little 3.5L will fit in there. i would love to see that damn 3.5L in a ranger 3600lbs with that much HP would be kind of awesome from ford.

Thats why I said I'm sure it's possible, but you usually don't put 2 turbos in there with a 4.6L. The 4.6L and 3.5L are almost the exact same displacement per cylinder, just the 4.6L has 2 extra cylinders on the front.

[cdawall]

Thats why I said I'm sure it's possible, but you usually don't put 2 turbos in there with a 4.6L. The 4.6L and 3.5L are almost the exact same displacement per cylinder, just the 4.6L has 2 extra cylinders on the front.

which leaves plenty of room for a turbo

[1Kurgan1]

Rarely do turbos mount in front of a motor, thats accessory room. Best bet I would say would be on the sides of the bell housing. Which also means making your own piping, just a more complicated swap than a 4.6L. I would rather just build the 2.3L, head swap it, and toss boost at it. I like the Ecoboost, love SHO's (owned 4 of them), but it just would be a complicated swap and expensive right now.

[JC316]

Rarely do turbos mount in front of a motor, thats accessory room. Best bet I would say would be on the sides of the bell housing. Which also means making your own piping, just a more complicated swap than a 4.6L. I would rather just build the 2.3L, head swap it, and toss boost at it. I like the Ecoboost, love SHO's (owned 4 of them), but it just would be a complicated swap and expensive right now.

On most 4th gen F bodies they front mount the turbos because of the lack of room. Agreed about the 2.3L though, the stock bottom end of a 2.3L turbo is good to 400HP and it's super cheap to build.

[1Kurgan1]

On most 4th gen F bodies they front mount the turbos because of the lack of room. Agreed about the 2.3L though, the stock bottom end of a 2.3L turbo is good to 400HP and it's super cheap to build.

Yeah, but they don't usually mount them directly in front, they mount them up and on the passenger side (but thats where many setups mount turbos), you can make your own kit for them easy since I believe passenger side 6.0L factory headers will bolt on the pass side of a LS1 upside down (I could be wrong on the motor, but I know some factory headers will bolt on upside down).

But yeah the 2.3L is a good motor, and if you want to go beyond 400hp, they can be built, think there is a guy who is pushing close to 900whp in a 79' Mustang, heard he has won small block power adder at Car Craft Nationals (which would pit him against LSx's and Terminators), pretty impressive.

[cdawall]

Rarely do turbos mount in front of a motor, thats accessory room. Best bet I would say would be on the sides of the bell housing. Which also means making your own piping, just a more complicated swap than a 4.6L. I would rather just build the 2.3L, head swap it, and toss boost at it. I like the Ecoboost, love SHO's (owned 4 of them), but it just would be a complicated swap and expensive right now.

it was a joke (slap)

[1Kurgan1]

it was a joke (slap)

Sorry, I couldn't detect the sarcasm in your voice.

[cdawall]

Sorry, I couldn't detect the sarcasm in your voice.

don't worry i understand completely (nutkick)

[JC316]

Ugh, gotta go get new tires for it tomorrow.

245/45/17 prices =

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1169724744801&id=9e05fbf808d5550f0c51bdf67a5332c8

[cdawall]

Ugh, gotta go get new tires for it tomorrow.

245/45/17 prices =

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1169724744801&id=9e05fbf808d5550f0c51bdf67a5332c8

cheaper than my tires. look up 37x12.50R16.5

[JC316]

cheaper than my tires. look up 37x12.50R16.5

Lol, I can't even find them anywhere. Mine aren't actually all that bad $557 out the door, but still. Nothing like the 275/40/18's on my mustang, those were $1000.

[1Kurgan1]

They were that cheap? What tire? I run 245/45/17 on my GTX, local the tire I wanted was $225 each, I got them online for I think $175. Was a bit cheaper than my trucks tires, but not by much.

[JC316]

They were that cheap? What tire? I run 245/45/17 on my GTX, local the tire I wanted was $225 each, I got them online for I think $175. Was a bit cheaper than my trucks tires, but not by much.

Discount tire FTW. Cooper Zeon ZPT is the tire.

[cdawall]

Lol, I can't even find them anywhere. Mine aren't actually all that bad $557 out the door, but still. Nothing like the 275/40/18's on my mustang, those were $1000.

This round will be $340 a wheel/tire since I'm going to double beadlocks and running used mil tires. Buying them new is $400+ a tire. My 285/75r16s were $860 out the door with a family discount.

[1Kurgan1]

Discount tire FTW. Cooper Zeon ZPT is the tire.

Yeah thats where I got my 35's for the truck ($233 each, or about $290 after mounting and all), wish I had known we had one locally when I bought my cars tires.

[Wile E]

Rarely do turbos mount in front of a motor, thats accessory room. Best bet I would say would be on the sides of the bell housing. Which also means making your own piping, just a more complicated swap than a 4.6L. I would rather just build the 2.3L, head swap it, and toss boost at it. I like the Ecoboost, love SHO's (owned 4 of them), but it just would be a complicated swap and expensive right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300562589182#ht_33994wt_1165

[cdawall]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300562589182#ht_33994wt_1165

i would buy that i just hate the gauges on the hood.

[1Kurgan1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300562589182#ht_33994wt_1165

Made me whistle when I seen how tight they had that packed in there. Amazing build.

[Wile E]

Sure is. If I had the money, I would have already driven up and bought it. A twin turbo modular powered, IRS swapped fox is exactly what I want in a daily driver. I'd prefer a hatch, but that can be done without for a car that clean.

[1Kurgan1]

Nice that they moved the dash as well, but to be honest, it seems like too tight of a fit, would have just kept the original dash myself. Maybe it's more spacious than the pictures lead on.