Game of Thrones

[Screaming Beaver]

So is anyone watching the HBO series based on George R.R. Martins Song of Ice and Fire book series? I've been pretty impressed with the show so far, they have been much more loyal to the storyline than I would have thought possible. I just wish there will be more than 10 episodes, as is they will have to be too thin with the plot to really do justice to the book... heh I hope I'm not contradicting myself here, I really do approve of the show after all.

Besides, hopefully with enough fans of the show more people will read the books, that would definately be a very good thing. :)

Let me just conclude with saying that I can't wait for more Tyrion Lannister scenes, the Imp is one of my favorite characters after all and that mouth of his is such a blessing and a curse for him.

[twilyth]

I've been watching but I get the feeling they dropped into the middle of the story. The whole backstory of Robert becoming king is still hazy. They've touched on it, but haven't spelled it out.

I enjoy the show though. I was hoping for some supernatural action and magic, but none so far. Maybe it's not that type of story. IDK.

[Wile E]

Every time I see this title, I think of Daes Dae'mar (The Game of Houses) from the Wheel of Time series. (Which is another series of books I would mind seeing being made into a proper series.)

[Screaming Beaver]

I've been watching but I get the feeling they dropped into the middle of the story. The whole backstory of Robert becoming king is still hazy. They've touched on it, but haven't spelled it out.

I enjoy the show though. I was hoping for some supernatural action and magic, but none so far. Maybe it's not that type of story. IDK.

Well if you haven't read the books I don't want to spoil anything but they should explain how Robert took the throne sometime this season in more detail, as I recall most of it was revealed in the first book. They've actually brought more things up sooner than occured in the book series like Jaime explaining to Ned about what the "Mad King" did to his father.

No comment on the supernatural part though. I will say though that this series slowly snowballs into the more "exciting" parts. We are still in the setup phase. :)

[twilyth]

Well if you haven't read the books I don't want to spoil anything but they should explain how Robert took the throne sometime this season in more detail, as I recall most of it was revealed in the first book. They've actually brought more things up sooner than occured in the book series like Jaime explaining to Ned about what the "Mad King" did to his father.

No comment on the supernatural part though. I will say though that this series slowly snowballs into the more "exciting" parts. We are still in the setup phase. :)
Hmmmm. That sounds like a non-denial denial. Crafty you are. :D

I love the ethos and graphics and costumes - mostly. And I sort of like the latent tension - something I wouldn't normally say.

I was a little insulted that the son of Catelyn's sister was still breast feeding and had my name (Robin). You never get male characters with that name being just normal. They're always neurotic or retarded or weaselly or cowardly. OK, not always, but it does seem to be a theme. If however he grows up to be a psycho killer, I will be pleased. :eek: :cool:

[Wile E]

Hmmmm. That sounds like a non-denial denial. Crafty you are. :D

I love the ethos and graphics and costumes - mostly. And I sort of like the latent tension - something I wouldn't normally say.

I was a little insulted that the son of Catelyn's sister was still breast feeding and had my name (Robin). You never get male characters with that name being just normal. They're always neurotic or retarded or weaselly or cowardly. OK, not always, but it does seem to be a theme. If however he grows up to be a psycho killer, I will be pleased. :eek: :cool:

Hmmm, explains a lot, actually. There must be a connection.

[twilyth]

I was going to say 'bite me', but since you only bolded the neurotic part . . . well, I can't really argue. :o

[Wile E]

I grew up with the middle name Star. I know your pain. lol.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Been watching it. Looking forward to knowing the significance of the Dire Wolves and the fact that the one daughter lost (sacrificed?) hers.

Excellent acting, excellent screenplay. All around good.

[Screaming Beaver]

I was a little insulted that the son of Catelyn's sister was still breast feeding and had my name (Robin). You never get male characters with that name being just normal. They're always neurotic or retarded or weaselly or cowardly. OK, not always, but it does seem to be a theme. If however he grows up to be a psycho killer, I will be pleased. :eek: :cool:

His name is actually Robert but they changed it in the tv show so there was no confusion with King Robert.

This series doesn't have that kind of time skip fyi (so far anyway) so seeing him grown up may never happen.

[Screaming Beaver]

Last nights episode was the best one so far imo. It was amazing to me yet again even after reading the books how completely naive Ned Stark is to the reality of the situation around him. Honor isn't a very good shield when no one around you has any.

The look on his face as the City Watch killed his men and Littlefinger putting that dagger to his throat was priceless.

[Screaming Beaver]

Season finale coming up Sunday night. I'd like to say I'm excited but as it will be the last episode its kind of sad. Book 2 is even more exciting though, I just hope HBO has the budget to show the battles that will be taking place for next season.

Anyway, Ned Stark is dead, Rob Stark marching south to war, the Lannisters in control of the Iron Throne and the Others stirring beyond the Wall. What's not to love here? :)

[twilyth]

Season finale coming up Sunday night. I'd like to say I'm excited but as it will be the last episode its kind of sad. Book 2 is even more exciting though, I just hope HBO has the budget to show the battles that will be taking place for next season.

Anyway, Ned Stark is dead, Rob Stark marching south to war, the Lannisters in control of the Iron Throne and the Others stirring beyond the Wall. What's not to love here? :)

Yeah, that does suck. Just when you're really into a series it shuts down for the season. Dr Who is on hiatus for the summer until the second half of the season picks up in September. 14 episodes for a season is bullshit.

[DannibusX]

Season 2 is coming.

I think in early April.

A Clash of Kings is an excellent novel and I can't wait to see Tirion be the cunning little shit he is.

[Screaming Beaver]

Normally when I hear about "the little shit" we're talking about Joffery :P

And April 1st couldn't come fast enough, I am stoked. Been watching trailers, behind the scenes vids, character featurettes etc, passing time with puny appetizers before the main course :)

Brienne is who I'm waiting for myself, Maid of Tarth! A Beauty, A Beauty!

[twilyth]

Normally when I hear about "the little shit" we're talking about Joffery :P

And April 1st couldn't come fast enough, I am stoked. Been watching trailers, behind the scenes vids, character featurettes etc, passing time with puny appetizers before the main course :)

Brienne is who I'm waiting for myself, Maid of Tarth! A Beauty, A Beauty!
You've been jonesing for a while now haven't you?

[DannibusX]

By the way, the bluray set of GoT is really well done. Lots of good back story info and featurettes.

[Screaming Beaver]

You've been jonesing for a while now haven't you?

Oh definitely. No doubt once it airs I'll be complaining about all the changes they made from Clash of Kings lol

By the way, the bluray set of GoT is really well done. Lots of good back story info and featurettes.

Don't make me jealous, my brokeass self is trying to get some money together to buy the bluerays... with all the extra features getting the DVDs feels pointless.

(can't comprehend why all the extra content isn't on the dvds as well grrrr)

[DannibusX]

Normally when I hear about "the little shit" we're talking about Joffery :P

And April 1st couldn't come fast enough, I am stoked. Been watching trailers, behind the scenes vids, character featurettes etc, passing time with puny appetizers before the main course :)

Brienne is who I'm waiting for myself, Maid of Tarth! A Beauty, A Beauty!

Normally I would be talking about Joffrey, but I specifically said "cunning little shit" and the first word automagically excludes Joffrey.

I'm excited to see Brienne as well. She's a great character.

You've been jonesing for a while now haven't you?

He has been, as have I. A Song of Ice and Fire is pretty damn epic, even though I haven't finished A Feast for Crows or begun A Dance with Dragons yet.

Oh definitely. No doubt once it airs I'll be complaining about all the changes they made from Clash of Kings lol



Don't make me jealous, my brokeass self is trying to get some money together to buy the bluerays... with all the extra features getting the DVDs feels pointless.

(can't comprehend why all the extra content isn't on the dvds as well grrrr)

It drives me crazy too. It's probably something as stupid as the cost of manufacturing the discs.

I'm definitely not displeased I bought the Blurays for about $50, I wish I could have jumped on the Amazon deal a few weeks ago when they were 50% off.

The special features are totally bad ass and give a lot of the back story and history, including Robert's Rebellion which is narrated by some of the actors talking in character from their characters' point of view.


SPOILERS BELOW!

As far as the first season is concerned, a friend and I watched it with his little brother (whom had never read the books) and bullshitted about the show after it ended each week. We never let on about Eddard, because that would ruin the whole show. He really liked Eddard and cheered him on throughout the season, and then came S1E9 "Baelor" I couldn't help but watch this guy. He was riveted to the TV and he was very sure that Arya was gonna pull out some shit to save her father. Then WHACK, dude jumped up and yelled "THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT! I'm never watching this piece of shit show ever again!" My friend and I laughed for almost half an hour over that. Eventually he did watch the finale and started reading the books.

When he started reading the books, the only advice I gave him was don't get too attached.

[BumbleBee]

i'm going to pick it up tomorrow. I try to pick up the individual seasons because box sets have terrible art and packaging.

[DannibusX]

i'm going to pick it up tomorrow. I try to pick up the individual seasons because box sets have terrible art and packaging.

If you haven't seen it yet, I hope my spoiler didn't ruin it before I could point it out.

Great show.

[BumbleBee]

nope :)

I watched season 1 on HBO last year.

[DannibusX]

Thank god. I'd have hated to have ruined it for you.

[BumbleBee]

people spoiled it after I watched the pilot then I spoiled it for Kurgan lol

[DannibusX]

people spoiled it after I watched the pilot then I spoiled it for Kurgan lol

Oh, ok. Then you won't mind me telling you that Eddard Stark comes back as Zombie Jesus in A Clash of Kings.

[BumbleBee]

it was actually the media that spoiled it

right after the pilot Sean Bean the actor who plays Lord Stark signed on with a sitcom.. people told me not to get attached to the characters in Game of Thrones because they drop like flies.

[twilyth]

He was riveted to the TV and he was very sure that Arya was gonna pull out some shit to save her father. Then WHACK, dude jumped up and yelled "THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!
LOLOLOL!!! I had the same reaction. That is complete bullshit dude!!! The one think I'm looking forward to is the dragon lady taking over the horde and seeing what carnage she wreaks. And I hope like hell to see either or both the queen and her brother/lover welcome the pointy end of a sword into their hearts.

[m1dg3t]

I wanna see dragon ladies boob's, again :)

[Screaming Beaver]

Normally I would be talking about Joffrey, but I specifically said "cunning little shit" and the first word automagically excludes Joffrey.

I'm excited to see Brienne as well. She's a great character.



He has been, as have I. A Song of Ice and Fire is pretty damn epic, even though I haven't finished A Feast for Crows or begun A Dance with Dragons yet.



It drives me crazy too. It's probably something as stupid as the cost of manufacturing the discs.

I'm definitely not displeased I bought the Blurays for about $50, I wish I could have jumped on the Amazon deal a few weeks ago when they were 50% off.

The special features are totally bad ass and give a lot of the back story and history, including Robert's Rebellion which is narrated by some of the actors talking in character from their characters' point of view.


SPOILERS BELOW!

As far as the first season is concerned, a friend and I watched it with his little brother (whom had never read the books) and bullshitted about the show after it ended each week. We never let on about Eddard, because that would ruin the whole show. He really liked Eddard and cheered him on throughout the season, and then came S1E9 "Baelor" I couldn't help but watch this guy. He was riveted to the TV and he was very sure that Arya was gonna pull out some shit to save her father. Then WHACK, dude jumped up and yelled "THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT! I'm never watching this piece of shit show ever again!" My friend and I laughed for almost half an hour over that. Eventually he did watch the finale and started reading the books.

When he started reading the books, the only advice I gave him was don't get too attached.

Its amazing how many people love to hate Joffery and Ceresi, all I hear is "kill all the Lannisters! All of them! Well... except for Tyrion, he's the shit". LOL.

Her introductory scene better not be changed, was totally badass.

Honestly, if they can put a 3r movie on one disc they should be able to put all the special features on one as well!

and lol that guy had a similar reaction to so many others. "they killed my nigger Ned" lol

*SEASON 1 SPOILERS*
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Oh, ok. Then you won't mind me telling you that Eddard Stark comes back as Zombie Jesus in A Clash of Kings.

Oh! That is one of the best parts! He and Robert come back looking for wenches and mead! :eek:

[DannibusX]

LOLOLOL!!! I had the same reaction. That is complete bullshit dude!!! The one think I'm looking forward to is the dragon lady taking over the horde and seeing what carnage she wreaks. And I hope like hell to see either or both the queen and her brother/lover welcome the pointy end of a sword into their hearts.

Jaime Lannister is one of my favorite characters. You really should read the novels. They're excellent.

Oh! That is one of the best parts! He and Robert come back looking for wenches and mead! :eek:

I really like the fact that he carries his head around like a lantern. It's epic.

I think this says it best

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg615/scaled.php?tn=0&server=615&filename=wtmnmv.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

I'm laughing so hard at the my nigga Ned video.

[BumbleBee]

the imp getting trampled was epic

[Screaming Beaver]

the imp getting trampled was epic

heh, in the books he actually fought in that battle but i suppose its understandable that a lack of budget required him being wounded some other way. still Tyrion doesn't get to put his badass hat on and instead gets knocked out. Pity. He even takes a knight hostage. That can't be good for the guys morale, captured by a dwarf!

[DannibusX]

Over halfway through A Feast for Crows and rewatched Season 1 of GoT. My body is ready for Season 2.

I'm taking season 1 to a girl I've been dating and I'm not going to tell her a thing about it. This is going to be awesome.

[DannibusX]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz5bpjfqWL1r00l9eo1_500.jpg
The Maid of Tarth. This actress is 6'3, yet much prettier than I imagined Brienne.

[BumbleBee]

movies and television shows never hold a candle to books. the walking dead has the same problems. the TV show shares the same story beats with the comics but it's been dramatized for television and the pacing is off.

[DannibusX]

Yeah, I know. I seriously can't wait for Season 2 to start. I'm giddy.

[BumbleBee]

only thing I didn't like was finale.. the episode didn't feel big enough to be a finale. it looks like they ran out of money or something. I think the show would benefit more if it aired after Boardwalk Empire in the fall time slot too.

[Screaming Beaver]

For me I'm glad that the show didn't change GRRM work to try and put in some drama at the end or a stupid cliffhanger. Worked just well thank you much, Episode 9 can have the drama, Ep 10 can bring things to a proper close for the next season.

Things start getting crazy this season, hopefully non-readers will be able to keep things straight, the cast and locations involved starts ballooning like crazy now.

[DannibusX]

I think they'll do a good job of it. Some of the interviews from the producers and directors show that they really, really care about the story so I don't think they'll cut much out if they can avoid it. Hopefully it means a longer season going forward.

[m1dg3t]

I think "The Walking Dead" is shit, maybe if they aired it without commercial's it would be better :confused:

[Screaming Beaver]

I think they'll do a good job of it. Some of the interviews from the producers and directors show that they really, really care about the story so I don't think they'll cut much out if they can avoid it. Hopefully it means a longer season going forward.

Yeah I'm really hopeful, D&D have said that the main storyline will stay the same though some of the details will be changed out of necessity and i suppose some clarity, putting all that backstory in must be a pain.

They also said that Storm of Swords is too long to all be put in one season, so as long as HBO lets them they want to do the best adaptation that they can and amazingly I believe them. Not sure if there is enough for TWO 10 ep seasons, could if they wanted to get all the details in, if not... hmmm hard to even speculate :)

[DannibusX]

Yeah I'm really hopeful, D&D have said that the main storyline will stay the same though some of the details will be changed out of necessity and i suppose some clarity, putting all that backstory in must be a pain.

They also said that Storm of Swords is too long to all be put in one season, so as long as HBO lets them they want to do the best adaptation that they can and amazingly I believe them. Not sure if there is enough for TWO 10 ep seasons, could if they wanted to get all the details in, if not... hmmm hard to even speculate :)

Well, A Feast for Crows has a lot going on too, they could fit some of the beginning of that to flesh out a possible 4th season if they needed.

We waited forever for GRRM to put out Dance with Dragons, I hope he doesn't pull a Robert Jordan.

[Screaming Beaver]

Well, A Feast for Crows has a lot going on too, they could fit some of the beginning of that to flesh out a possible 4th season if they needed.

We waited forever for GRRM to put out Dance with Dragons, I hope he doesn't pull a Robert Jordan.

They'd combine Feast with Dance as they take place at pretty much the same time, can get a couple more seasons out of the two I'm sure. :)

Would be worse if he did croak though, he has said he won't be leaving notes behind for someone else to pick up and finish, just about everything in his head. So no Brian Sanderson for us if it happens.

He isn't that old though and I hope the HBO clock will get him to move a bit quicker than usual...

[Screaming Beaver]

premiere tonight! hopefully i can quickly find the episode online... monday morning at the latest..

*bounces excitedly*

[twilyth]

premiere tonight! hopefully i can quickly find the episode online... monday morning at the latest..

*bounces excitedly*
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[twilyth]

I'm watching the last couple of episodes of last season. It's really well written.

I want to make sure I'm up to speed.

[Screaming Beaver]

Was a great episode and can only get better. This ep had to introduce new characters and lay foundation for what is to come so may not have engaged all but acting was epic and I was even able to somewhat ignore the differences from the books lol.

Great start, now i got to wait a whole week for another episode... *sighs*

[DannibusX]

Was a great episode and can only get better. This ep had to introduce new characters and lay foundation for what is to come so may not have engaged all but acting was epic and I was even able to somewhat ignore the differences from the books lol.

Great start, now i got to wait a whole week for another episode... *sighs*

I'm not entirely sold on Stannis, but Davos is great, if a tad older than I expected. Robb's wolf was awesome. Like seriously freaking awesome. Oh and the table at Dragonstone was much better than I envisioned.

Peter Dinklage is so awesome as Tyrion.

[entropy13]

Looks, uh, interesting. I'll go get the first season.

[Screaming Beaver]

I'm not entirely sold on Stannis, but Davos is great, if a tad older than I expected. Robb's wolf was awesome. Like seriously freaking awesome. Oh and the table at Dragonstone was much better than I envisioned.

Peter Dinklage is so awesome as Tyrion.

Stannis is badass, that one episode didn't have time to flesh him out properly like can be done in the books. I thought the whole Dragonstone scenes were cut too short, Maester Creesen especially... went so fast new viewers might be scratching their heads at what's going on.

And LOL on Ros being Queen of the Whores. I really hate her but that was amusing.

Looks, uh, interesting. I'll go get the first season.

Do so!

[entropy13]

Looks like a show about a typical playthrough of Crusader Kings II. LOLOLOL

"Houses" fighting for the Iron Throne: Noble families of the various kingdoms of Europe.

"Two threats" outside of the Seven Kingdoms: Muslims and Mongols (albeit the Muslims are in the south and Mongols would suddenly come from the east with their uber powerful units).

[Chevalr1c]

The "Houses" are noble families, I assume barons/dukes or any other high rank in the feudal system. So I think that a comparison with the British civil wars (e.g. War of the Roses) is better than comparing it with medieval Europe as a whole. Even though they are referred to as kings, they are actually dukes/barons ruling over a semi-autonomous dukedom being under rule of a king.

Regarding the extra-national threats; I do not think that White Walkers are comparable to Muslims. Neither does the Dothraki religion seem like Islam, although I did not read the books yet so I am not sure (the TV series sort of ignores the religions a bit although there are references to some gods). I think that if it resembles any real religion, than the Dothraki have a faith comparable to the Mongol religion from before Timudzjin's rise to power as Genghis Khan (under his rule, there was religious freedom in order to let conquered nations keep their own religion. It was much later than that, that the Mongol Empire became Islamic and fell apart into several khanates, AFAIK). Even though you are right about the resemblance of the Dothraki to the Mongols as a people.

[entropy13]

I did say "Crusader Kings II" so it doesn't really correspond to the War of the Roses. I doubt the War of the Roses would ever happen, although you can say that it's already happening between the de Normandie and Godwin instead of Lancaster and York. LOL

[BumbleBee]

sweet episode 2 is up

[twilyth]

sweet episode 2 is up
dl'ing now

[twilyth]

Done. Oh, this is so cool.

Heeheeheeheeheehee!!!!

[BumbleBee]

hmmm

[twilyth]

hmmm
see for yourself

http://www.binsearch.info/index.php?q=game+of+thrones+s02e02&m=&max=250&adv_g=&adv_age=1&adv_sort=date&minsize=&maxsize=&font=&postdate=&hideposter=on

[Screaming Beaver]

GRRM has said that the plot is loosely based on the War of the Roses but just that loosely, he doesn't want any direct historical parallels


wait episode 2 is up? its not airing until Sunday... :confused:

[twilyth]

GRRM has said that the plot is loosely based on the War of the Roses but just that loosely, he doesn't want any direct historical parallels


wait episode 2 is up? its not airing until Sunday... :confused:
It's on usenet - posted about an hour ago - see the link in my previos post. I'm sure it will start popping up elsewhere but it might get DMCA'd too. IDK.

[Screaming Beaver]

ugh downloading... i don't have good virus protection so think i'll wait so i can watch streaming, was linked to a site that put up the new ep less than a half hour after airing :)

[twilyth]

i go through a secure vpn and all that happens behind the scenes. Plus I use newsbin which can't really be hacked. Same for GomPlayer.

[BumbleBee]

dew dew dew dew dew /hums intro

[m1dg3t]

^^ LOL yesterday's episode was to frickin' short! There was a lot going on for the first episode of the season IMO it would have been nice/better to stretch the story out a bit, guess i'm just sloooooooooooow :o

[BumbleBee]

hehe Arya is cute

[m1dg3t]

hehe Arya is cute

She's a lil' young for my taste's, i prefer women as opposed to girl's. Especially girl's that look like boy's lol

I'm surprised she managed to escape and that guy she's with is going to end up being someone important i think? Hopefully she/they can get back to the north OK

[twilyth]

I'm about a third of the way through it (keep jumping back and forth between GOT and green lantern), but I'm bummed since the rip doesn't have closed captioning. Even though my hearing is fine, I can't always make out the dialog. It has to be properly enunciated. So I always listen to tv with CC on and I really miss it when it's not an option.

[entropy13]

Watched the first ep and it seems the "wildlings" or White Walkers are humanoid, but eerily reminds me of the phaerimm (thought to have been extinct for thousands of years) when the Shaar Wall was breached near Evereska. While the Dothraki are similar to the orcs under Obould Many-Arrows, or the various barbarians north of Waterdeep.

[yogurt_21]

I'll just leave this here.

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[Chevalr1c]

hehe Arya is cute

Sure she is, as she was in season 1 ("And I don't want to be a lady.")

She's a lil' young for my taste's, i prefer women as opposed to girl's. Especially girl's that look like boy's lol

Bumblebee did not say "hot" or "attractive", she said "cute".

I'm surprised she managed to escape and that guy she's with is going to end up being someone important i think? Hopefully she/they can get back to the north OK

Spoiler, Entropy13 better doesn't read this (just highlight the text to read it):

Gandry (I might misspell it) is a bastard of Robert Baratheon (he worked for that smith first, whom was visited by Ned Stark and John Arryn) and therefore his head will roll if Geoffrey and Cersei manage to catch him. And so were those babies and dark-haired boys at Peter Baelish's brothel, which have been slaughtered in se2ep1. BTW, Gandry says himself, somewhere at the end of season 1, that "my master got sick of me" when he meets Arya, so I think that the smith he worked for had seen it coming and sent him away.
In the North they would not be save however, because they would probably be tracked down thereto. I don't know what will happen to Gandry, but because I accidentally read spoiler at wikipedia I can say that the Braavosi sword trainer of season one is a good hint for the location she will end up at.

I'm about a third of the way through it (keep jumping back and forth between GOT and green lantern), but I'm bummed since the rip doesn't have closed captioning. Even though my hearing is fine, I can't always make out the dialog. It has to be properly enunciated. So I always listen to tv with CC on and I really miss it when it's not an option.

Because English is my second language I get your idea, sometimes I have to backtrack a little in order to give me a second chance (and sometimes I need to, because I had a laugh and missed a few words). But I might just buy the DVDs to solve that, watching it on RTL when they start broadcasting the series is too inconvenient for me, as it will take time until they actually will (they have purchased the rights) and as I don't have a recorder I will be too limited to the broadcasting times that way.

[Screaming Beaver]

that comic is so wrong...

watched episode 2, i feel so glad that i've read the books, only getting an overview of the masterpiece that is the work of GRRM.

[WhiteNoise]

I'm nearing the end of the 3rd book in the series. All I can say is this is by far the best screen adaption of a book that I have seen.

[entropy13]

Finally finished season one and the first two episodes of season two.

[ninkobei]

Where are you guys finding Ep 2 at? is it in HD? afaik it hasn't even aired yet

[twilyth]

Where are you guys finding Ep 2 at? is it in HD? afaik it hasn't even aired yet
Bubblebee said it was "on the internet", so I checked usenet and it happened to be there. Shit generally is within an hour or two of it showing up virtually anywhere else in the world.

http://www.binsearch.info/index.php?q=game+of+thrones+s02e02&m=&max=250&adv_g=&adv_age=1&adv_sort=date&minsize=&maxsize=&font=&postdate=&hideposter=on

edit: but these aren't the same files as the other day, so I suspect that there is a furious cat and mouse game going on with DMCA notices buzzing around like flies at an all you can eat shit bar.

[Screaming Beaver]

some HBO international guy released the episode a week early is what I understand, HBO home office here in America was pissed. going to completely fuck with their ratings so we shouldn't be seeing that again. of course it means I have to wait an extra week for Episode 3 though.... *sigh*


I'm nearing the end of the 3rd book in the series. All I can say is this is by far the best screen adaption of a book that I have seen.

Oh i agree, even with all that they need to leave out to fit in a 10 ep series, they are being remarkably faithful to the books

come Book 4/5 though that may change, you'll understand when you get to them...

[twilyth]

you'll understand when you get to them...
LOL. You're pretty funny. http://tpucdn.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[WhiteNoise]

come Book 4/5 though that may change, you'll understand when you get to them...

I'm into the 4th book and I see what you mean. :(

[Screaming Beaver]

I'm into the 4th book and I see what you mean. :(

yeah... the action slows down... have to condense or change things around for the viewers or they'll be disappointed after the crazy shit in Book 3 but maybe they'll pull it off with a mostly faithful adaptation that stays interesting to viewers

[DannibusX]

I'm about a quarter of the way through A Dance with Dragons. I don't know why it's got such bad reader reviews. I'm liking it thus far.

If the show gets to that point in the novels, I imagine they'll combine the books and split the story chronologically and not split the narrative like GRRM did in the novels. I wouldn't bitch about that at all. But then I wouldn't bitch about presenting it as GRRM did either, since I already know what's up.

[Screaming Beaver]

oh yeah, they'll definately combine the two books, not going to cut out half of the actors for a whole season. Besides, given all the travel and description of cultures in other cities outside Westeros I think they could do most of the two books in one season. I'm guessing:

Season 3: 2/3 of Storm of Swords
Season 4: rest of Storm of Swords then ~1/2 Feast/Dragons
Season 5: second half of Feast/Dragons

Depending on how long GRRM makes his final two books perhaps we can give them seasons 6 and 7 respectably. Assuming GoT lasts that long and assuming GRRM finishes his books heh

[Chevalr1c]

Episode 3's interesting. I love it how Tyrion makes use of his position as Hand and the events at the end are well done too. I am not sure though, whether Arya's improvised "trick" will work out as intended (whether or not they will be held captive or will be released).

[entropy13]

Just watched ep 3, and looks like I'm watching someone play Crusader Kings II very badly, and all the other factions are playing very badly as well. LOL

Looks like the "winner" would be "the one who made the least number of mistakes" or "the one who made the least damaging mistakes" LOL

[Chevalr1c]

That is mainly how the Game is played. You seem to mind it more than I do, but I have been reading Robin Hobb's books (with folks playing games too) which might have altered my view on the matter.

[Screaming Beaver]

People in general are pretty stupid, i recall some general saying that the last commander that makes a mistake wins. Sums it up well.

Episode 3 is best yet, overall an A+ especially our introduction to Brienne. My only complain is that annoying bitch Shae... now teamed up with my other slightly lesser hatred known as Sansa.

Seen it twice now, thinking about going for number 3 :)

[DannibusX]

It was a good episode for sure. Brienne is great. I'm so happy they cut a huge chunk of wasted story out for the show, specifically what would have been Arya's flight. It isn't needed and the end of the episode summed it all up nicely. I imagined a larger pile of corpses around the recruiter when reading the book though.

I have a feeling that this weeks' episode will be epic in every way.

Also, just over halfway through A Dance with Dragons. Great book.

[Chevalr1c]

People in general are pretty stupid, i recall some general saying that the last commander that makes a mistake wins. Sums it up well.

Episode 3 is best yet, overall an A+ especially our introduction to Brienne. My only complain is that annoying bitch Shae... now teamed up with my other slightly lesser hatred known as Sansa.

Seen it twice now, thinking about going for number 3 :)

That duel between Brienne and Loras Tyrell (Renley's lover) was in indeed a nice character intro for her.
I liked it how Tyrion uncovered who was whispering into the Queen's ear, and the scenes with the Night's Watch recruits were done well too. I always found Yoren a sympathetic character, and quite enjoyed the dialogue between him and Arya (the way he tries to "comfort" her is rather interesting, and it is one of miss Williams's best performances so far IMHO). It's a bummer that Yoren had to "pass" as well. On the other hand, reaching the Wall unscathed was an unrealistic goal, perhaps, for him and his group.

[Screaming Beaver]

When watching this show it is best to keep one thing in mind, if things seem to be going well for a character... their shit is about to get fucked up

[Chevalr1c]

Indeed, hence my last sentence in my previous post. I might have known.

[Screaming Beaver]

From the previews the episode tomorrow will start picking up in the intensity. I've heard some complaints on winteriscoming.net that there are non book-readers complaining that nothing is really happening, hopefully this will shut them up.

[Chevalr1c]

I am a non-book reader (well I am a reader of books generally, but not yet a reader of ASoIaF) and TBH I think that enough is happening. Additionally, good fantasy stories are not like an action movie IMHO, but contain decent amounts of dialogues as well.

[Screaming Beaver]

I am a non-book reader (well I am a reader of books generally, but not yet a reader of ASoIaF) and TBH I think that enough is happening. Additionally, good fantasy stories are not like an action movie IMHO, but contain decent amounts of dialogues as well.

I certainly agree though there are always those brain dead Americans who won't be able to get through a program unless there is an explosion every five minutes or so.

[twilyth]

I'm an action/adventure whore as much as the next guy, but what I really like is an intricate well-woven tale. Force me to concentrate on the story line and not allow me to go surfing while only half paying attention and I'll call your story well written.

[DannibusX]

BREAKING NEWS

Author George RR Martin has been charged with several counts of homicide.

[twilyth]

BREAKING NEWS

Author George RR Martin has been charged with several counts of homicide.
Shouldn't he just be running a tab at some point?

[entropy13]

BREAKING NEWS

Author George RR Martin has been charged with several counts of homicide.

That's "massacre" then.

[twilyth]

OK, that was just fuckin' weird.

So, you want some magic? I got your fuckin' magic right here. How's that for some magic? You gonna shut the fuck up about the magic now?

Damn George. Lighten up dude.

[BumbleBee]

the magic in this show feels so out of place.

[Chevalr1c]

BREAKING NEWS

Author George RR Martin has been charged with several counts of homicide.

Link please? I cannot find it really.

[Screaming Beaver]

Magic has a small place in this series but it isn't constantly in your face in a Harry Potter kind of way. Remember the opening scene of the show? White Walkers and zombies? It isn't as if magic doesn't happen at all. Besides, the birth of the shadow baby is one of the scenes I've been waiting for and the CGI was quite impressive with it. Worried they might wimp out with budget concerns like when they skip the battles but they showed it to amazing effect.

My only complaint in this episode is that having only a 10-ep series becomes a problem when moving from scene to scene. Like Stannis suddenly showing up in front of Renly, there was no interconnecting scene of him moving from Dragonstone to there. As a book reader I have no issue with this but for those who aren't it may be quite confusing.

[Chevalr1c]

Leaving out the battles is better, because it saves time to be used for more important scenes, saves the headaches to display it convincingly, and indeed it saves money.

BTW, was DannibusX being sarcastic/joking/whatever when he wrote that "Breaking news" post (refering to the many characters dying)?

[twilyth]

Yeah, fuck the epic battle scenes. Or just film one from 20 different angles and recycle it. I don't give a shit. It's just filler. Spend the money on cgi and producing more episodes.

That confrontation on the cliff was a little abrupt but they had foreshadowed it a few times so it wasn't completely unexpected, really just the opposite. It was the presentation that left something to be desired.

I think if you live in a world with magic, unless there are obvious constraints on it's use, to parse it out just as a tool for plot development is a little disingenuous. I don't really mind, but if you're going for logical consistency, then that's a loose end that needs to be tied up.

[BumbleBee]

Magic has a small place in this series but it isn't constantly in your face in a Harry Potter kind of way. Remember the opening scene of the show? White Walkers and zombies? It isn't as if magic doesn't happen at all. Besides, the birth of the shadow baby is one of the scenes I've been waiting for and the CGI was quite impressive with it. Worried they might wimp out with budget concerns like when they skip the battles but they showed it to amazing effect.

My only complaint in this episode is that having only a 10-ep series becomes a problem when moving from scene to scene. Like Stannis suddenly showing up in front of Renly, there was no interconnecting scene of him moving from Dragonstone to there. As a book reader I have no issue with this but for those who aren't it may be quite confusing.

Robb Stark isn't going to be like casting fireballs in season 3 is he? :( I hope Renly lives..

[m1dg3t]

Shhhh! I missed yesterdays episode :( Just got home and firing up "On Demand" Yeah boiiiiiii! And girlzzzzzz! Lol :p

(toast)

Edit: "Did he TELL you to fuck her?" LOL

[DannibusX]

Leaving out the battles is better, because it saves time to be used for more important scenes, saves the headaches to display it convincingly, and indeed it saves money.

BTW, was DannibusX being sarcastic/joking/whatever when he wrote that "Breaking news" post (refering to the many characters dying)?

Sarcasm yes. But he's still a murderer.

[Chevalr1c]

Did he, or did he not kill people in real life? You're confusing...

[Screaming Beaver]

Robb Stark isn't going to be like casting fireballs in season 3 is he? :( I hope Renly lives..

I think I can safely say that it will not be a spoiler to say that no one will have a wand shooting fireballs. There will be some low key magic though but like I said in previous post there won't be Harry Potter constant in your face spells. Magic does slowly become... stronger I suppose as series goes on as the return of dragons also brings magic back into the world. < don't think that is a spoiler per se but... I've put it in white just in case.

I'm rather surprised at the understanding of avoiding battles, I've heard much the opposite, must be those who want lots of "action" as if the political maneuvering isn't interesting in itself. I suppose the complainers saw Ned Stark die unexpectedly last season as well and now WANT some main characters to suddenly die and to see more chaos and blood lol.

[m1dg3t]

Battle scene's are over rated, i prefer a "meatier" storyline :o

[enolakaya]

I was quite peeved when they killed off Sean Bean (Ned Stark).

[DannibusX]

GRRM doesn't write much about battles in the novels. There are a few that are described and a couple that will need to be shown because they're important to the story.

I am pleased with the second season so far. It's already been picked up for the third.

[Screaming Beaver]

I'm excited about season 3 pickup as well, D&D say they get to film "that scene" from Storm of Swords so I suppose they are moving it up some...

Now, with the way Episode 4 ended, I'm hoping for a rise in the viewers for Ep 5, its getting real now :)


and THIS: :D

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[Screaming Beaver]

http://i.imgur.com/XOAOa.png

[twilyth]

http://i.imgur.com/XOAOa.png
Colbert would ROCK!!!

[ninkobei]

Colbert would ROCK!!!

colbert is a walking toilet. As a Game of thrones fan I am ashamed to have him compared to Tyrion- Tyrion is the absolute best. And Palin to Dany? Really?

[twilyth]

colbert is a walking toilet. As a Game of thrones fan I am ashamed to have him compared to Tyrion- Tyrion is the absolute best. And Palin to Dany? Really?
Boooo. Colbert is pretty slick IRL. I will give you the fact that Tyrion is a master at court politics if we ignore the fact that it's a story.

BTW, if you like this sort of intrigue, are you watching The Borgias on HBO. Another superb series. It's in its second season - you MUST watch it.

[ninkobei]

BTW, if you like this sort of intrigue, are you watching The Borgias on HBO. Another superb series. It's in its second season - you MUST watch it.

I enjoy Game of Thrones because of its intrigue + mixture of low fantasy and medieval theme. The borgias just looks dull and lifeless to me. I couldn't give a crap about the vatican. Also, that is a Showtime show.

[twilyth]

I enjoy Game of Thrones because of its intrigue + mixture of low fantasy and medieval theme. The borgias just looks dull and lifeless to me. I couldn't give a crap about the vatican. Also, that is a Showtime show.
It grows on you. Granted, no magic though. If you only watched one or 2 episodes I'd give it at least a couple more.

edit - There were some scenes where the king of france was firing chained canon balls that were just extraordinary.

[BumbleBee]

he's right. Dexter shit the bed and went north.

[Screaming Beaver]

colbert is a walking toilet. As a Game of thrones fan I am ashamed to have him compared to Tyrion- Tyrion is the absolute best. And Palin to Dany? Really?

I strongly disagree with you on Colbert. I am rather mystified how anyone could dislike him. As for Dany, precisely what qualifications does she have other than her daddy ruled before her? The comparisons may not be exact with every trait but in the way they are presented they are solid.

I cracked up when it got to Hodor, best one of the lot. :D

[twilyth]

I strongly disagree with you on Colbert. I am rather mystified how anyone could dislike him. As for Dany, precisely what qualifications does she have other than her daddy ruled before her? The comparisons may not be exact with every trait but in the way they are presented they are solid.

I cracked up when it got to Hodor, best one of the lot. :D
Because he's a comedian he doesn't get any credit, but SC is incredibly sharp.

[Chevalr1c]

I strongly disagree with you on Colbert. I am rather mystified how anyone could dislike him. As for Dany, precisely what qualifications does she have other than her daddy ruled before her? The comparisons may not be exact with every trait but in the way they are presented they are solid.

I cracked up when it got to Hodor, best one of the lot. :D

Of all the female characters, Cathlyn has the best ruling qualities. And we all know how awesome a King Tyrion would be.

[ninkobei]

I'd like to see Tywin king for a little bit. After Joffrey gets brutally murdered somehow. Tyrion would have to succeed Tywin somehow, and Jaime would have to die..but I suppose it is possible. I just don't see it happening. Stannis seems to be in the best position to become King next.

[entropy13]

lol just went to the bookstore and saw several spoilers from the books.

[Screaming Beaver]

Of all the female characters, Cathlyn has the best ruling qualities. And we all know how awesome a King Tyrion would be.

I'd rather see Arienne Martell myself, Catelyn I'd rather see stick to mothering as that is what she is best at. Even book Cat doesn't look real good in ruling. She'd sell her kingdom in an instant if one of her children is held hostage, good qualities in parent perhaps but horrific in a ruler. Pfft, just from last episode which goes by books pretty well, she starts off on Robbs mission to get an alliance with Renly by insulting him. Real sharp instincts there I tell ya.

I'd like to see Tywin king for a little bit. After Joffrey gets brutally murdered somehow. Tyrion would have to succeed Tywin somehow, and Jaime would have to die..but I suppose it is possible. I just don't see it happening. Stannis seems to be in the best position to become King next.

If Joffery died than his brother Tommen would become king and after him his sister Mycella queen. After her would be Stannis. No Tyrion or Tywin are in line... Unless they pull a Robert and take the throne of course :)

lol just went to the bookstore and saw several spoilers from the books.

I can't imagine any bookstore just advertising spoilers, you must of went looking for them :o

[entropy13]

They were in the "top 10 bestsellers" section right at the front. I just grabbed the books and read the back of each. lol

[Chevalr1c]

I'd rather see Arienne Martell myself, Catelyn I'd rather see stick to mothering as that is what she is best at. Even book Cat doesn't look real good in ruling. She'd sell her kingdom in an instant if one of her children is held hostage, good qualities in parent perhaps but horrific in a ruler. Pfft, just from last episode which goes by books pretty well, she starts off on Robbs mission to get an alliance with Renly by insulting him. Real sharp instincts there I tell ya.

Hmm, I did not realize that she would indeed react as a mother, not as a ruler. I do not remember the insult towards Renley though (call me silly, if you wish, for both of these two things).

BTW, Arienne Martel, has she been in the TV series yet? At wikipedia it was stated that she is from the ruling class of Dorne, but she does not seem familiar to me.

[Screaming Beaver]

They were in the "top 10 bestsellers" section right at the front. I just grabbed the books and read the back of each. lol

Well that explains a lot lol

All about the destination and not the journey eh?

[m1dg3t]

Anyone catch 2nites episode? Begining was excellent and progressed well, thing's are really starting to heat up and next week should be awesome!

[twilyth]

Anyone catch 2nites episode? Begining was excellent and progressed well, thing's are really starting to heat up and next week should be awesome!
working on it now - half way through. I moved to a different spot on the couch and man, everything seems so much brighter. I know the SXRD's have a sweet spot but shit, it wasn't like I was that much off center.

[m1dg3t]

working on it now - half way through. I moved to a different spot on the couch and man, everything seems so much brighter. I know the SXRD's have a sweet spot but shit, it wasn't like I was that much off center.

Thought's on 2nites episode? You should be Ok with 30 deg AT LEAST on each side, if not more. Maybe you need to play around with the setting's? How's the lighting in your room?

[twilyth]

Thought's on 2nites episode? You should be Ok with 30 deg AT LEAST on each side, if not more. Maybe you need to play around with the setting's? How's the lighting in your room?
Think bat cave.

I was probably getting some glare from my reading light. The cat always likes to knock it around and after a while I don't really notice.

There's a reading light at the new location too, but it is recessed more so there's no glare. Plus the corner lamp is farther away. It has a black shade so it shouldn't matter, but I guess it all adds up.

edit: I'll post on the episode later or tomorrow. I keep pausing - want to drag it out.

[DannibusX]

Anyone catch 2nites episode? Begining was excellent and progressed well, thing's are really starting to heat up and next week should be awesome!

I wasn't expecting the shadow to show up at the beginning of the episode, but it worked out just as well.

The actor that plays Davos is great, albeit he is a little older than Davos in the novels. Not really a concern though.

Arya's story is progressing nicely, and Tyrion seeing the jars of awesome was pretty damn good. I really like the actor that plays Bronn. He's just good.

All in all it was a great episode. My favorite moment was Arya's interaction with Tywin Lannister. It was a great scene.

[twilyth]

I wasn't expecting the shadow to show up at the beginning of the episode, but it worked out just as well.

The actor that plays Davos is great, albeit he is a little older than Davos in the novels. Not really a concern though.

Arya's story is progressing nicely, and Tyrion seeing the jars of awesome was pretty damn good. I really like the actor that plays Bronn. He's just good.

All in all it was a great episode. My favorite moment was Arya's interaction with Tywin Lannister. It was a great scene.
Yes, good recap. I'm looking forward to Rob kicking some wilding ass and I can't wait for the little dragons to grow up and show them what fire given physical form really means.

I suspect that Stannis isn't going to be mucn longer for this world than some of his relatives given the deal with the red god but IDK, maybe I missed something. That high price may not come due sooner rather than later - I guess we'll see.

Oh, and I love the death note aspect with Arya. Very cool.

[Screaming Beaver]

Heh, I bet HBO wishes the dragons would die and not get any bigger, larger size would have to mean larger budget I'm sure lol.

I liked the episode overall though I do think that the Renly death scene was squeezed in with too much other information. Almost as if we are supposed to just shrug our shoulders instead of getting emotional in his passing. I still don't understand why they didn't end episode 4 with his death, would have had larger impact imo.

Arya watching shirtless Gendry at the forge practicing. Makes me want to grin.

Arya and Tywin sparring. Great drama.

Brienne in both scenes, amazing. I think they have her too much self-confidence than the books version but still love her character.

Tyrion looking hurt at being called a "demon monkey" lol.

Jon gets himself a mission, no doubt this will make people happy, his storyline has been slow going.

Until next week...

[twilyth]

Tyrion looking hurt at being called a "demon monkey" lol.
You know, he seemed genuinely hurt at first, but then I think he took it as a very backhanded compliment.

[Screaming Beaver]

You know, he seemed genuinely hurt at first, but then I think he took it as a very backhanded compliment.

Well he does wear that snarky personality so openly that he can take such things in stride. Though he should take it as part of an unfair universe that here he is trying to help these people and instead they blame him when their psycho boy king does something to piss them off.

[twilyth]

Well he does wear that snarky personality so openly that he can take such things in stride. Though he should take it as part of an unfair universe that here he is trying to help these people and instead they blame him when their psycho boy king does something to piss them off.
That's one of the things I like about GoT so far. It's a story book world where no good deed goes unpunished - just like the real world. For some reason, that pleases me.

[ninkobei]

I half expected Tyrion to hop on the podium and denounce the 'demon monkey' claims, but then I remember that he is Tyrion and doesn't give a crap about what a peasant might think about him. If that room of fire phials blows up, there would be some serious consequences. Sounds like a good place for sabotage, right?

I don't want spoilers, but who is there for the Dragon Queen to ally with in Westeros? Assuming she doesn't take the VLBM's money and become another bedroom-bunny, I don't see how she can raise a very large army. Then again she may not need one after her dragons grow up..

[twilyth]

I half expected Tyrion to hop on the podium and denounce the 'demon monkey' claims, but then I remember that he is Tyrion and doesn't give a crap about what a peasant might think about him. If that room of fire phials blows up, there would be some serious consequences. Sounds like a good place for sabotage, right?

I don't want spoilers, but who is there for the Dragon Queen to ally with in Westeros? Assuming she doesn't take the VLBM's money and become another bedroom-bunny, I don't see how she can raise a very large army. Then again she may not need one after her dragons grow up..
I was wondering that too. Clearly this is something that they haven't even hinted at so far, so we have to assume that there are still people loyal to the previous dynasty. After all, the Targaryens ruled for hundreds of years, right? Then you had the mad king and then king Robert. I would imagine that there would be a decent wellspring of support. But this is going to have to be a whole new cast of characters for sure.

[Chevalr1c]

Based on what Screaming Beaver's comments about a character of the House Martell and the info I found about that House when looking up on wikipedia who that person is, I guess that potential allies come from the Martells. It seems they ruled over their territory more or less autonomously under the previous dynasty and thus might not mind it when a Targaryen rules Westeros again (may even be better because most likely Dorne's economy is hurt because of the situation in tghe rest of Westeros).

[entropy13]

Based on what Screaming Beaver's comments about a character of the House Martell and the info I found about that House when looking up on wikipedia who that person is, I guess that potential allies come from the Martells. It seems they ruled over their territory more or less autonomously under the previous dynasty and thus might not mind it when a Targaryen rules Westeros again (may even be better because most likely Dorne's economy is hurt because of the situation in tghe rest of Westeros).

What do you mean "potential allies"? At least one of them is actively looking to place a Targaryen back in the Iron Throne.

[Chevalr1c]

If you mean Varys and Jorah than you are right. But we were actually discussing who of the nobility might openly support them.

[entropy13]

If you mean Varys and Jorah than you are right. But we were actually discussing who of the nobility might openly support them.

No, I'm talking about a member of House Martell that has yet to appear on the TV series.

[twilyth]

If you mean Varys and Jorah than you are right. But we were actually discussing who of the nobility might openly support them.
Where, wha . . . When did they say that they support a resurrection of the Targaryen dynasty?

[DannibusX]

Y'all should avoid spoiling the series for folks that haven't read the novels yet

[twilyth]

Y'all should avoid spoiling the series for folks that haven't read the novels yet
Definitely. I haven't read jack. I'm trying to figure out what might have already been foreshadowed.

I love that they're following the books, but I get the impression that the books are so dense with detail that they're having trouble packing it all in.

[DannibusX]

They've definitely trimmed a lot of fat, but the main arc has been pretty much spot on. There's a lot to fit into 10 episodes. Next season us supposed to be the first half of A Storm of Swords while the 4th season will be the second half.

What dude above is talking about isn't revealed until the 5th book.

I highly suggest staying away from wikipedia. Read the novels, they're so good.

[Chevalr1c]

@Twilyth: do you remember lord Varys ("The Spider") being with one one of the government officials of Pentos (that sity state Danaerys and her brother were at before going to the Dothraki)? It was when Arya chased a cat into the dungeons of the castle of King's Landing and accidentally heard that conversation.
Jorah advises Danearys and stays with her, even though the TV series revealed in season 1 that he has been pardoned for his crimes and is allowed to go home.

@Dannibus: I will stay away from Wikipedia, I only looked up that Martell-related info because Screaming Beaver started about it. I did not realise that he mentioned something that will happen way ahead in the story.

BTW, I did not read the books myself, I just started to put pieces together in my head. And TBH, if even a 9-year-old Arya gets alerted by the conversation she hears in the dungeon and Varys says to a confined Ned that he serves "the realm, my Lord. Someone must." than it should be clear that he is looking for a leader outside Westeros, because let's be honest no one is really suitable for the job of King of the Seven Kingdoms given the situation (unless Tyrion manages to get popular enough both within the royal court and in the hearts of the regular people, and gets a fortunate position as someone being in line as heir to the throne). Note: I put pieces of the puzzle together that have been provided by the TV series, mainly. I am trying to avoid "other sources".

[DannibusX]

Chev, if you want to know what the story is going to be, send me a pm and I'll break it down for you. Same goes for anyone. Ask and ye shall receive.

The Martell arc is very important, but not revealed yet.

The only things I would reveal would be the Martell storyline and their importance to what is going on in Westeros.

[Chevalr1c]

It's okay. I will not be writing anything story related, nor will I PM I think. I will see what happens next. :)

[twilyth]

@Twilyth: do you remember lord Varys ("The Spider") being with one one of the government officials of Pentos (that sity state Danaerys and her brother were at before going to the Dothraki)? It was when Arya chased a cat into the dungeons of the castle of King's Landing and accidentally heard that conversation.
Jorah advises Danearys and stays with her, even though the TV series revealed in season 1 that he has been pardoned for his crimes and is allowed to go home.
I vaguely remember that conversation, but I was paying as close attention back then. :o I probably need to rewatch that episode - you don't happen to know the epi #?

[entropy13]

i vaguely remember that conversation, but i was paying as close attention back then. :o i probably need to rewatch that episode - you don't happen to know the epi #?

s01e05.

[Screaming Beaver]

I was going to add my 2 cents in here but seems Dannibus has spelled things out neatly. There are potential allies in Westeros but haven't been revealed in tv series. The Dany storyline evolves very slowly though fyi, hope that's not considered spoilery but... yeah don't expect anything from her for awhile.

[DannibusX]

Just trying to keep things as spoiler free as possible. I ruined many surprises in the novels by looking up characters on wikipedia.

It's the reason I'm intentionally vague when I talk about episodes that just air.

[twilyth]

Just trying to keep things as spoiler free as possible. I ruined many surprises in the novels by looking up characters on wikipedia.

It's the reason I'm intentionally vague when I talk about episodes that just air.
I'm adopting a 2 week rule. If you haven't watched the episode after 2 weeks, I'm not going to worry about it. Come back to the thread when you're ready to watch the series.

[DannibusX]

I'm adopting a 2 week rule. If you haven't watched the episode after 2 weeks, I'm not going to worry about it. Come back to the thread when you're ready to watch the series.

Pretty much.

A Song of Ice and Fire is a pretty awesome story. What's even more intriguing is the amount of backstory contained in the series that rarely gets talked about. The Targaryan invasion and the conquering of the 7 Kingdoms and Roberts Rebellion. Sure those are talked about a bit, but you really have to do your research to find out what happened that leads up to the main story arc.

GRRM wrote some short stories that became graphic novels called The Hedge Knight. It's a pretty good story, if I remember right. It's been a long time since I read them, but it takes place before The Mad King was even born. The tales of Dunk and Egg, or Ser Duncan the Tall.

The Season One blurays have a lot of stuff on the backstory of Roberts Rebellion, all told by the actors that portray major parts in the first season. King Robert I talks about motivations and specific battles, Tywin Lannister talks about his part in the rebellion and the overthrowing of the Targaryn regime. It's really good stuff.

[Screaming Beaver]

I sometimes find it difficult not to mention anything that hasn't taken place past the series, I love these books and I get enthusiastic in talking about them. Sometimes I wonder if its alright even to talk about the differences between book and show (that has already aired of course) but I tell myself its all good.

*bounces happily*

[DannibusX]

After I tore through A Dance with Dragons, I can't wait to see what happens next. GRRM already stated he's not splitting the narrative again, so it should be all good. I'm especially interested after the last couple of chapters and the epilogue.

Too bad it'll be another couple of years.

[Screaming Beaver]

He has a few chapters out already but I'm restraining myself from reading them heh

I am so impatient to know what happened to a certain pair of characters...

[DannibusX]

Too bad the isn't a literature section of the forum where we could discuss such things.

Wait, there's always miscellaneous.

[Screaming Beaver]

You mean other books? Could always strike up a new thread. Its A Song of Ice and Fire that really gets my heart pumping. To a lesser extent the Honorverse, Wheel of Time, Emberverse and Star Wars can get me chatty as well. :)

[DannibusX]

I've been reading the wheel of time since it was first published. I, only realized last week that my copy of eye of the world is still the original I got in 1990 or whenever it was published.

You ever read Joe Abercrombie's novels? They're good

[entropy13]

I haven't really read the books, but I'm taking my time here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire). lol

[Chevalr1c]

Robin Hobb and Terry Goodkind are great as well.

[Screaming Beaver]

I've been reading the wheel of time since it was first published. I, only realized last week that my copy of eye of the world is still the original I got in 1990 or whenever it was published.

You ever read Joe Abercrombie's novels? They're good

tbh, I have been re-reading the same series over and over, not wanting to go to anything new. I suppose I should try Abercrombie or Terry Goodkind like Chevalr1c suggested but I worry I won't like them and will waste my time. I KNOW I like the above series and unlike some people I've talked to, I don't mind reading a book I've read before a dozen more times if I like it enough. Some read a book or watch a movie once and even if they liked it will never see/read it again. Never understood this.

[twilyth]

tbh, I have been re-reading the same series over and over, not wanting to go to anything new. I suppose I should try Abercrombie or Terry Goodkind like Chevalr1c suggested but I worry I won't like them and will waste my time. I KNOW I like the above series and unlike some people I've talked to, I don't mind reading a book I've read before a dozen more times if I like it enough. Some read a book or watch a movie once and even if they liked it will never see/read it again. Never understood this.
I'm like that. I guess it depends on what you appreciate. If you really like the nuances of something, I can see going back to it over and over. Each time you will be in a different frame of mind and take something new away from it.

As soon as I see something that triggers a memory, the entire plot flashes through my mind and i feel like I'm just standing there with my limp dick in my hand.

[DannibusX]

I hate Goodkind.

Abercrombies novels are great though, read the First Law Trilogy, I think you'll dig them.

Through Knife of Dreams I reread the entire WoT series whenever a new novel was going to be published. I read Eye of the World itself at least 10 times.

Joe Abercrombie is relatively new, but his books are just awesome. So is Patrick Rothfuss and his Kingkiller Chronicles. I'm trying to get into the Mazalan Book of the Fallen by Steven Erikson, but I'm finding it hard to get into.

I'm with you though, I tend to reread stuff I really like.

[entropy13]

For such kind of books I really just restrict myself to Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels.

[entropy13]

He finally meets the redhead lol

[m1dg3t]

Grayson sprouted some hair on his nuts finally! Arya is lucky so far. I feel for dragon lady :( Let the debauchery begin/continue :D

[Screaming Beaver]

All I can say about last nights episode:

Worst Episode Ever


I like to think I'm not a complete book purist but the changes in this episode just made me want to grit my teeth through the whole pile of dren

[DannibusX]

All I can say about last nights episode:

Worst Episode Ever


I like to think I'm not a complete book purist but the changes in this episode just made me want to grit my teeth through the whole pile of dren

I agree. There were several changes that made me cringe. Aside from the characters themselves there was little from the novel itself in last nights episode.

[ninkobei]

As a non-book reader I thought the episode was pretty solid. Really enjoyed the Tywin/Arya interaction and the Tyrion punch to the face was awesome. If you don't mind me asking, who is Robb 'promised' to? I'd rather him go after that smexy nurse than any princess, except for Margaery Tyrell of course. She's a stone cold fox.

[Screaming Beaver]

I agree. There were several changes that made me cringe. Aside from the characters themselves there was little from the novel itself in last nights episode.

Yeah... about the only scene I did like was the riot at King's Landing. Seeing the Hound in action is always great along with Tyrion punching Joffery lol.

As a non-book reader I thought the episode was pretty solid. Really enjoyed the Tywin/Arya interaction and the Tyrion punch to the face was awesome. If you don't mind me asking, who is Robb 'promised' to? I'd rather him go after that smexy nurse than any princess, except for Margaery Tyrell of course. She's a stone cold fox.

In Season 1 Robb and Arya Stark were promised to marry Freys as payment for letting them pass through the Crossing and to get them to join Robb's cause.

[entropy13]

In Season 1 Robb and Arya Stark were promised to marry Freys as payment for letting them pass through the Crossing and to get them to join Robb's cause.

And then...uh...things happened. lol

[m1dg3t]

All I can say about last nights episode:

Worst Episode Ever


I like to think I'm not a complete book purist but the changes in this episode just made me want to grit my teeth through the whole pile of dren

Thank you for buying the book/s! Otherwise they wouldn't have made the show, but i myself can not/do not read fiction. I read book's that incite contradiction :o

[Screaming Beaver]

Alright I've calmed down after some time has gone by and while I still think this was a poor episode, I am not raging like I was. There were some good scenes in this episode, the riot in Kings Landing most of all. I can also appreciate the Tywin-Arya-Littlefinger scene even if it was completely made up as the tension in the scene and the acting lifted it. The Jon-Ygritte however.... horrible. I've been waiting for the introduction of Ygritte and they completely change the Jon-Ygritte introduction. Disgusting. And Dany... ugh, don't get me started...

[Wile E]

Thank you for buying the book/s! Otherwise they wouldn't have made the show, but i myself can not/do not read fiction. I read book's that incite contradiction :o

Fiction can do that as well. They are called metaphors.

[DannibusX]

Tonight's episode was much better than last weeks. I really liked Arya's interaction with Tywin Lannister.

A lot has been changed from the novels though, but they cut out a lot of fat and they're keeping it all in motion.

[ninkobei]

Alright I've calmed down after some time has gone by and while I still think this was a poor episode, I am not raging like I was.

If you thought this episode was poor, then maybe Game of Thrones isn't for you. May I suggest Jersey Shore or the Survivor? :p