well this is a bad way to start a day at work

[cdawall]

so here is how the story goes went to turn into BB my wonderful place of work and my nice little sunflower decides hey he hasn't had an excitement today lets lock the brakes up for the rear end and spin so i was facing the opposite direction from what the car is facing in the pics and she spun around about 90 degrees to slide over the ditch to the predicament you see here it took a chevy 1500 and 2 sets of tow rope to get her out and i killed a sign which is the only damage to the car

http://img.techpowerup.org/090609/0608091639.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/090609/0608091639a282.jpg

popped the plastic skirt thingy back into place here

http://img.techpowerup.org/090609/0608091714.jpg


looks like a big dent and plastic skirt is on my replacement list....

good news is door opens fine and frame is just fine bad news i killed a sign and possibly a tire :/

i will take pics of the long black lines left from the skid when i get a chance

[Wile E]

how fast were you going? And gm has had the problem of the proportioning valve sticking on their cars for ages. Usually doesn't end up in a full rear lock up tho. Usually just sticks for a sec, and lets go.

You were goofing off weren't you? lol.

[cdawall]

how fast were you going? And gm has had the problem of the proportioning valve sticking on their cars for ages. Usually doesn't end up in a full rear lock up tho. Usually just sticks for a sec, and lets go.

You were goofing off weren't you? lol.

my parents will kill me if they read this so you don't get the original speed but lets say top of 3rd gear on a 4SPD

very fast started to slow with plenty of room like 100yds then the breaks faded bad and i was down at 35MPH or so went into the turn with the back end wide with the rear end in a full lock then tried to correct with my foot on the gas hoping to hell the bitch gripped something she didn't so i ended up in the ditch

[Wile E]

lol. I knew it. I've had my share of stupid fender benders goofing off in my younger years. My confidence levels always seemed to outweigh the cars' true abilities. lol

I could tell because of the amount of damage the sign did to the side. You weren't going at a normal clip.

Anyway shit happens. Live and learn, and remember, your car is just a cavalier, and brakes and handles as such. lol

[cdawall]

lol. I knew it. I've had my share of stupid fender benders goofing off in my younger years. My confidence levels always seemed to outweigh the cars' true abilities. lol

I could tell because of the amount of damage the sign did to the side. You weren't going at a normal clip.

Anyway shit happens. Live and learn, and remember, your car is just a cavalier, and brakes and handles as such. lol

handle a smidge better than a crapalier remember this is like the crapalier GT ;)


though my question in 2005 how in gods name is ABS not freaking standard?

[Wile E]

handle a smidge better than a crapalier remember this is like the crapalier GT ;)

Put a little shine on a turd, and it's still a turd. lol

[cdawall]

Put a little shine on a turd, and it's still a turd. lol

lol its not that bad 2.2L ecotec has some kick in its step 0-60 around 6.8-7sec

[Wile E]

lol its not that bad 2.2L ecotec has some kick in its step 0-60 around 6.8-7sec

I have no beef with Ecotec. (Although serious power from the 2.2 requires new rods. Stockers fail around 250hp or so). My beef is with the rest of the chassis. The body is too flexible, the suspension is shitty (solid beam rear axle? Give me a break), and as you found out, the brakes are shit. Ecotec is a great engine platform tho. (You goofed on grabbing the auto, however, as GM fwd autos are crappy in their small cars as well. But in their defense, most stock fwd autos are crap.)

The Cobalt is a much better platform, but still leaves a shitload to be desired. The cars had a lot of potential, but GM's engineers are lazy, or the bean counters made too many decisions in GM's small car division.

[JC316]

Aw shit, that sucks man. You were certainly up there in speed with 3rd topped out. I had a 97 and a 2000 Cavalier and never had any issues with the brakes. Probably because I never tried really running it. My old 95 saturn had great braking and turning ability, as well as sliding ability.

My mustang doesn't have the antilock either, but I have yet to lock em up. I almost wound up exactly like that the other day. I made a turn just a little quick and caught a MAJOR bump and lets just say that I am glad that I had more room than you did.

Just be glad that you got out OK. That could have been alot worse.

[cdawall]

I have no beef with Ecotec. (Although serious power from the 2.2 requires new rods. Stockers fail around 250hp or so). My beef is with the rest of the chassis. The body is too flexible, the suspension is shitty (solid beam rear axle? Give me a break), and as you found out, the brakes are shit. Ecotec is a great engine platform tho. (You goofed on grabbing the auto, however, as GM fwd autos are crappy in their small cars as well. But in their defense, most stock fwd autos are crap.)

The Cobalt is a much better platform, but still leaves a shitload to be desired. The cars had a lot of potential, but GM's engineers are lazy, or the bean counters made too many decisions in GM's small car division.

got the car used i wanted a manual they didn't have anything really with a stick :mad:

i have yet to feel any real chassis flex well at least nothing like what i felt in the trailblazer SS with a twin turbo going around a corner that thing groaned and flexed like crazy...

looking at new rods on it to swap on it then a turbo and a manual swap or a tranny rebuild haven't decided yet

Aw shit, that sucks man. You were certainly up there in speed with 3rd topped out. I had a 97 and a 2000 Cavalier and never had any issues with the brakes. Probably because I never tried really running it. My old 95 saturn had great braking and turning ability, as well as sliding ability.

My mustang doesn't have the antilock either, but I have yet to lock em up. I almost wound up exactly like that the other day. I made a turn just a little quick and caught a MAJOR bump and lets just say that I am glad that I had more room than you did.

Just be glad that you got out OK. That could have been alot worse.

drive the saturn around town for about an hour and i mean drive it hard around town then try to brake from good speed and see what she does

[T3hPwn3r3r]

My 02 Cavalier has never had any problems :P

Remember, we get the 2.2L Ecotec as well, though I have the weaker 2.2L non-ecotec LN1 engine in mine - I can still pull a decent 0-60 because my car is BONE basic (no power windows or any of that nonsense!)

Before you do anything else to your car, reduce the weight!

Take out the rear seat and AC, should fix you up, and won't stress out your gearbox like adding more power would.

At less than 2500 lbs, my car does fine as a performer and gets excellent gas mileage as well.

Also, it's an auto like yours!

[JC316]

My 02 Cavalier has never had any problems :P

Remember, we get the 2.2L Ecotec as well, though I have the weaker 2.2L non-ecotec LN1 engine in mine - I can still pull a decent 0-60 because my car is BONE basic (no power windows or any of that nonsense!)

Before you do anything else to your car, reduce the weight!

Take out the rear seat and AC, should fix you up, and won't stress out your gearbox like adding more power would.

At less than 2500 lbs, my car does fine as a performer and gets excellent gas mileage as well.

Also, it's an auto like yours!

He lives in Texas. Not a chance will a Texan delete the A/C.

[El Fiendo]

Hell, I live in Canada and there is days I wouldn't want without A/C.

[Wile E]

i have yet to feel any real chassis flex well at least nothing like what i felt in the trailblazer SS with a twin turbo going around a corner that thing groaned and flexed like crazy...Drive something like a Civic or Sentra, then directly compare it to your car, and you'll feel the difference right away.

Before you do anything serious power related, stiffen the chassis and upgrade your brakes. (Suspension wouldn't hurt either) Making big power on stock econocar brakes is a no-no. Trust me, I learned the hard way. ;)

Also, I'd go for a manual swap, then Turbo. The manual swap would make it much more fun and keep you entertained until you turbo it.

[cdawall]

My 02 Cavalier has never had any problems :P

Remember, we get the 2.2L Ecotec as well, though I have the weaker 2.2L non-ecotec LN1 engine in mine - I can still pull a decent 0-60 because my car is BONE basic (no power windows or any of that nonsense!)

Before you do anything else to your car, reduce the weight!

Take out the rear seat and AC, should fix you up, and won't stress out your gearbox like adding more power would.

At less than 2500 lbs, my car does fine as a performer and gets excellent gas mileage as well.

Also, it's an auto like yours!

AC is very important and i use that backseat for things its not going anywhere

He lives in Texas. Not a chance will a Texan delete the A/C.

very important

Hell, I live in Canada and there is days I wouldn't want without A/C.

multiply that by 100 and welcome to texas


Drive something like a Civic or Sentra, then directly compare it to your car, and you'll feel the difference right away.

Before you do anything serious power related, stiffen the chassis and upgrade your brakes. (Suspension wouldn't hurt either) Making big power on stock econocar brakes is a no-no. Trust me, I learned the hard way. ;)

Also, I'd go for a manual swap, then Turbo. The manual swap would make it much more fun and keep you entertained until you turbo it.

i drove a 1990 civic LX sedan with a B16 in it this thing handles better than that thing ever did and it had suspension and brakes

[T3hPwn3r3r]

The Kentucky summer hovers around the upper 90s-100s.

I do fine without AC (it's still in my car), I just drive faster for a good cooling effect :P

Also, how can you do anything in the backseat of a Sunfire? O.O Do you date toy poodles? Or are you a professional contortionist?


I may get a shift kit for mine, as shifts can be slow, but that's about it as far as I'd go for performance on it. My dream tuner is a 91 XJS :D

I will back you up though, my Cavalier on stock suspension and ceramic brakes does fine in the twistie mountain roads here, it's the tires that lose grip :P

I'll make a recording of me tearing up some backroads for you all sometime :P

[Wile E]

AC is very important and i use that backseat for things its not going anywhere



very important



multiply that by 100 and welcome to texas




i drove a 1990 civic LX sedan with a B16 in it this thing handles better than that thing ever did and it had suspension and brakesThen the Honda's suspension was worn out, or completely improperly set up.

Besides, I wasn't talking pitting it against a much older car. How about pitting it against a Civic of the same relative generation as yours? I'll take any J-Body in the corners in my bone-stock 97 Civic. Even the Z24's can't keep up in the bends. Straights are a different story, however. lol.

[cdawall]

The Kentucky summer hovers around the upper 90s-100s.

I do fine without AC (it's still in my car), I just drive faster for a good cooling effect :P

Also, how can you do anything in the backseat of a Sunfire? O.O Do you date toy poodles? Or are you a professional contortionist?


I may get a shift kit for mine, as shifts can be slow, but that's about it as far as I'd go for performance on it. My dream tuner is a 91 XJS :D

I will back you up though, my Cavalier on stock suspension and ceramic brakes does fine in the twistie mountain roads here, it's the tires that lose grip :P

I'll make a recording of me tearing up some backroads for you all sometime :P

houston has traffic plain and simple traffic+no AC=angry cdawall

as for the backseat i'm skinny and 5'11" my GF is skinnier and 5'5" we fit.

Then the Honda's suspension was worn out, or completely improperly set up.

Besides, I wasn't talking pitting it against a much older car. How about pitting it against a Civic of the same relative generation as yours? I'll take any J-Body in the corners in my bone-stock 97 Civic. Even the Z24's can't keep up in the bends. Straights are a different story, however. lol.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg/800px-96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg

i have killed several of these in corners sunfire body rolls but these thing almost roll over in the same corner as me? are you talking like civic Si or am i missing something here

and the civic was a little worn (274,000miles on it) shocks and struts only had 20K on them though car was the sedan which was part of the issue

[Wile E]

i have killed several of these in corners sunfire body rolls but these thing almost roll over in the same corner as me? are you talking like civic Si or am i missing something here


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg/800px-96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg

If you killed those in corners, they weren't trying, were really badly worn, had really shitty no grip tires, or had really terrible drivers.

No stock J-Body can out handle a stock Civic of those years, provided the suspension is in good health. Those year civics are double wishbone at all 4 corners. Even if they did have more body roll (which they don't), they still have a better contact patch due to far superior suspension geometry.

Put both cars in the hands of a driver capable of extracting the most from them, with tires of comparable grip, and the Civic turns the J-Body into a laughing stock. It's not even debatable. One only has to take a trip to an autocross or track day and watch the stock classes to see that.

[JC316]

The Kentucky summer hovers around the upper 90s-100s.

I do fine without AC (it's still in my car), I just drive faster for a good cooling effect :P

Also, how can you do anything in the backseat of a Sunfire? O.O Do you date toy poodles? Or are you a professional contortionist?


I may get a shift kit for mine, as shifts can be slow, but that's about it as far as I'd go for performance on it. My dream tuner is a 91 XJS :D

I will back you up though, my Cavalier on stock suspension and ceramic brakes does fine in the twistie mountain roads here, it's the tires that lose grip :P

I'll make a recording of me tearing up some backroads for you all sometime :P

Yeah, but whats the humidity like in Kentucky? Around Dallas, we stay at 70-100% at all times. I went out to Vegas a few years back and I could handle their 110 easier than my 95 here.

[cdawall]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg/800px-96-98_Honda_Civic_LX_sedan.jpg

If you killed those in corners, they weren't trying, were really badly worn, had really shitty no grip tires, or had really terrible drivers.

No stock J-Body can out handle a stock Civic of those years, provided the suspension is in good health. Those year civics are double wishbone at all 4 corners. Even if they did have more body roll (which they don't), they still have a better contact patch due to far superior suspension geometry.

Put both cars in the hands of a driver capable of extracting the most from them, with tires of comparable grip, and the Civic turns the J-Body into a laughing stock. It's not even debatable. One only has to take a trip to an autocross or track day and watch the stock classes to see that.

i have had better tires than all civcis i have been up against...

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Yeah, but whats the humidity like in Kentucky? Around Dallas, we stay at 70-100% at all times. I went out to Vegas a few years back and I could handle their 110 easier than my 95 here.

Today it was pretty bad, rained for about 3 hours and then went up to around 90 in the city. Made soccer practice a nightmare...

[1Kurgan1]

That sucks, quarter panels are a bitch to fix though, hope your insurance covers it, because to fix that properly is going to require at least part of a new quarter, and since thats not bolt in, labor costs = ouch.

[JC316]

That sucks, quarter panels are a bitch to fix though, hope your insurance covers it, because to fix that properly is going to require at least part of a new quarter, and since thats not bolt in, labor costs = ouch.

It's not that bad. If you can access that part by taking the interior panel out, then you can pound it out from the inside. Otherwise, take a slide hammer and straighten it out and then use some bondo.

Had a 93 thunderchicken once that was 10 times worse than that and I went through the speaker hole on the inside and pounded it out.

[1Kurgan1]

Oh right, but bondo isn't a proper fix :p Thats what I meant, you can fix anything with that for cheap, just gotta make sure to lay it on level, makes me laugh seeing the sides of cars and huge waves in the paint.

[yogurt_21]

The Kentucky summer hovers around the upper 90s-100s.

I do fine without AC (it's still in my car), I just drive faster for a good cooling effect :P


texas summers hover around 109-120 depending on where he is.

you'd be surprised how hot it feels.

AZ is similar but can sometimes get hotter imagine midnight in june and it's still 105 degrees outside. welcome to the southwest.

[JC316]

Oh right, but bondo isn't a proper fix :p Thats what I meant, you can fix anything with that for cheap, just gotta make sure to lay it on level, makes me laugh seeing the sides of cars and huge waves in the paint.

Depends on how good the body man is lol. My Dad fixed my moms car back in 89 and you still can't tell that it was ever hit. I royally SUCK at it.

[cdawall]

texas summers hover around 109-120 depending on where he is.

you'd be surprised how hot it feels.

AZ is similar but can sometimes get hotter imagine midnight in june and it's still 105 degrees outside. welcome to the southwest.

it was 112F today on my back porch

slight updates i broke the unibody so the rear fender is dead needs a whole new fender :(

[1Kurgan1]

Depends on how good the body man is lol. My Dad fixed my moms car back in 89 and you still can't tell that it was ever hit. I royally SUCK at it.

It's tough, my dad ran his own autobody shop from 1983 till 2007, he was picky as hell, was a one man operation because he was never happy with anyone else doing work, would always find a fault in the work done. So I got use to hearing him pick apart a car that most people's jaws would drop for on a lot of occasions.

it was 112F today on my back porch

slight updates i broke the unibody so the rear fender is dead needs a whole new fender :(

Can't hit it with a welder, then pound it out? Should snaps some pics, wondering how it looks where your looking at it.

[Wile E]

i have had better tires than all civcis i have been up against...

If you had better tires, it wasn't an even match up. They had shitty tires, and tires are the most important thing you do to improve your handling.

If they had tires of similar quality, and drivers of similar quality, they win, plain and simple.

[1Kurgan1]

No real point in measuring a bone stock civic against a bone stock cavalier, most people driving those aren't going to have the balls to push them to the limits, or even know what to expect at the limits, and even then not much of a point in wheezing the poor things around like that.

But I know it happens, had a bone stock (or I assume) civic ride my ass last night so I pepped it up, he did too, so I left him behind in the corners, then slowed down and he attempted to ricer flyby me :/ didn't work though.

[JC316]

It's tough, my dad ran his own autobody shop from 1983 till 2007, he was picky as hell, was a one man operation because he was never happy with anyone else doing work, would always find a fault in the work done. So I got use to hearing him pick apart a car that most people's jaws would drop for on a lot of occasions.


Your and my Dad were made from the same mold lol. Sometimes his perfectionism in work drives me stark shit nuts. For me, if it works and looks good, it's fine, but not him, it has to be perfect.

[1Kurgan1]

I know how that is, I would like to get the hang of painting, I've sanded all too much, and layed down primer, but he's like "you'll mess up the paint" :/

[Wile E]

I know how that is, I would like to get the hang of painting, I've sanded all too much, and layed down primer, but he's like "you'll mess up the paint" :/

Strangely enough, paint is the easiest part to not screw up. It's the proper sanding and shaping that's the real PITA. lol.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

If you had better tires, it wasn't an even match up. They had shitty tires, and tires are the most important thing you do to improve your handling.

If they had tires of similar quality, and drivers of similar quality, they win, plain and simple.

I really would love to see what a Cavalier with a reworked and LS9 swap could do :P since you're obsessed with Hondas with swaps :P

[1Kurgan1]

Strangely enough, paint is the easiest part to not screw up. It's the proper sanding and shaping that's the real PITA. lol.

Yeah, he just doesn't want to see a run, nice even coats, I don't know he's insane, I wish I got some pics of the frame off resto he did on a 69 Chevelle SS396 Convert 4spd, they got some with a norm camera, I haven't seen them, but I'm sure the quality would look like crap scanned into a comp.

I really would love to see what a Cavalier with a reworked and LS9 swap could do :P since you're obsessed with Hondas with swaps :P

Cavalier doesn't deserve that motor. The Ecotech platform is a fine platform for going fast, just jam a 2.2L SC/TC in from a cobalt. I still like the LS7 more than the LS9 though, just feel the LS9 is really an LS3 with a blower on top for 50k more, amazing setup, but still.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

I know, but it'd be lulz.

Imagine a Cavalier that takes a Cobra on the straights :P

[Wile E]

I really would love to see what a Cavalier with a reworked and LS9 swap could do :P since you're obsessed with Hondas with swaps :P

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I could just swap in a turboed C32 out of an NSX. My car would be as fast, but still handle better.

[cdawall]

If you had better tires, it wasn't an even match up. They had shitty tires, and tires are the most important thing you do to improve your handling.

If they had tires of similar quality, and drivers of similar quality, they win, plain and simple.

i had some sticky bald things in front that hugged corners and goodyear eadles in the back he had some off brand things that when he cornered the sidewalls were making contact with the pavement but in the straights and corners he was so far back i popped it into OD and coasted

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I could just swap in a turboed C32 out of an NSX. My car would be as fast, but still handle better.

or you could stick the 2.0L ecotec in it and do what the top dogs did 40PSI turbo and 9700RPM readline for the wonderful 1000HP mark

[T3hPwn3r3r]

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I could just swap in a turboed C32 out of an NSX. My car would be as fast, but still handle better.

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I'll just build a Chevrolet engine up to ~2k BHP and let it be done :P

[1Kurgan1]

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I'll just build a Chevrolet engine up to ~2k BHP and let it be done :P

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/EngineShowcase/index.jsp?engId=LSX&engine=LSX&sku=19166454&engCat=ls

Some day /drool

[Wile E]

If you want to go ridiculous like that, I'll just build a Chevrolet engine up to ~2k BHP and let it be done :P

I can do the same with the nsx, or supra or skyline engines.

[Wile E]

i had some sticky bald things in front that hugged corners and goodyear eadles in the back he had some off brand things that when he cornered the sidewalls were making contact with the pavement but in the straights and corners he was so far back i popped it into OD and coasted



or you could stick the 2.0L ecotec in it and do what the top dogs did 40PSI turbo and 9700RPM readline for the wonderful 1000HP markYou can also do it with a 4G63, if your were so inclined. Not that I would ever do a cross-platform swap in a fwd. Just isn't my style, and all the custom work doesn't seem worth it. If I was going cross-platform for a swap, it would be a rwd car.

Now, if you are planning on building a drag-only car from a fwd platform, can't go wrong with the Cobalt. You don't need anything better than a solid rear axle for that.

[cdawall]

You can also do it with a 4G63, if your were so inclined. Not that I would ever do a cross-platform swap in a fwd. Just isn't my style, and all the custom work doesn't seem worth it. If I was going cross-platform for a swap, it would be a rwd car.

Now, if you are planning on building a drag-only car from a fwd platform, can't go wrong with the Cobalt. You don't need anything better than a solid rear axle for that.

if your going to put the work into it why not a GM 3800 series II/III with a blower?

[T3hPwn3r3r]

I can do the same with the nsx, or supra or skyline engines.

...and pay 3x the amount.


Not to mention it's still a Honda/Toyota/Nissan engine, in the end.

Why not just use a Maytag refrigerator?

[Wile E]

if your going to put the work into it why not a GM 3800 series II/III with a blower?

Well, depends on if you plan to race in a specific class or not. But I think I'd still rather rock the Ecotec, just to keep the weight down. And, actually, I've never looked much into how far the 3800 series blocks can handle. Are they capable of surviving 1000HP? There are a great deal of stock blocks in the world that simply just aren't up to the task.

...and pay 3x the amount.


Not to mention it's still a Honda/Toyota/Nissan engine, in the end.

Why not just use a Maytag refrigerator?Yeah, that's it, nothing to actually offer in retort, so lets resort to silly, baseless, fanboy comments. :rolleyes: Come back when you can offer a real retort.

And, it wouldn't be three times the amount at that point. At the 2000HP level, everything is custom/one-off, so the only thing that might cost more, is the block to start with. You take the piston and rod measurements, and send them to the manufacturers to be custom made, and that costs the same per piston/rod, regardless of the platform. Same goes for the turbos, and everything else involved. So, by needing 2 less pistons and rods, the block cost can be offset when using the import engines as a starting point, thereby resulting in generally the same costs.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

You're still driving a Honda.

[Wile E]

You're still driving a Honda.

Yeah, and it's still more reliable than your car.

[1Kurgan1]

Well, depends on if you plan to race in a specific class or not. But I think I'd still rather rock the Ecotec, just to keep the weight down. And, actually, I've never looked much into how far the 3800 series blocks can handle. Are they capable of surviving 1000HP? There are a great deal of stock blocks in the world that simply just aren't up to the task.

I'm not 100% sure exactly what they can handle, but here's the worlds fastest GP and it traps at 158mph in the 1/4 on a stock block. Looks like it's putting down 753whp, and as far as I know even the rotating assembly is stock, which is funny because it's an L67 and they 04+ L32's have strong connecting rods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEHbt83UkEE

It's pretty badass.

http://www.commercecreators.com/sites/folder456/site_images_system/user/TTGTFrontOff1.jpg

[Wile E]

I'm not 100% sure exactly what they can handle, but here's the worlds fastest GP and it traps at 158mph in the 1/4 on a stock block. Looks like it's putting down 753whp, and as far as I know even the rotating assembly is stock, which is funny because it's an L67 and they 04+ L32's have strong connecting rods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEHbt83UkEE

It's pretty badass.

http://www.commercecreators.com/sites/folder456/site_images_system/user/TTGTFrontOff1.jpg

Very badass, but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say the rotating assembly is upgraded. Maybe not the crank, but I bet the rods and pistons at least.

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah I have a feeling something in there has to be, my guess would be pistons, it is an L67 block, but they could be using L32 rods, they don't go much into details, but thats a badass car. All they really say is L67 block with stage 4 heads, wtb their secrets, then there is one other GP in the 8's with 150+ traps, it's only 1 mph off it's trap, and check out the 1.3's 60ft time on his time slip and 124 in the 1/8th... :O

http://www.intense-racing.com/movies/Bob_Cook_894.wmv

and here's a pic of that one. Too bad they need the hood to fit everything under there, would be a huge sleeper if they popped back in the headlights and hit the streets, people would probably call them out on the slicks, would be so funny.

http://www.intense-racing.com/pics/teampage/bobcar.jpg

[cdawall]

Well, depends on if you plan to race in a specific class or not. But I think I'd still rather rock the Ecotec, just to keep the weight down. And, actually, I've never looked much into how far the 3800 series blocks can handle. Are they capable of surviving 1000HP? There are a great deal of stock blocks in the world that simply just aren't up to the task.

Yeah, that's it, nothing to actually offer in retort, so lets resort to silly, baseless, fanboy comments. :rolleyes: Come back when you can offer a real retort.

And, it wouldn't be three times the amount at that point. At the 2000HP level, everything is custom/one-off, so the only thing that might cost more, is the block to start with. You take the piston and rod measurements, and send them to the manufacturers to be custom made, and that costs the same per piston/rod, regardless of the platform. Same goes for the turbos, and everything else involved. So, by needing 2 less pistons and rods, the block cost can be offset when using the import engines as a starting point, thereby resulting in generally the same costs.

from what i can tell they use the stock block with everythign around it modified. i would also like running the ecotec instead seeing how its lighter and can push the same power

You're still driving a Honda.

whats wrong with a honda? my old school 1990 LX sedan smoked mustangs/V6 f-body's

Very badass, but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say the rotating assembly is upgraded. Maybe not the crank, but I bet the rods and pistons at least.

rods and pistons were done in that almost positive on that one

[T3hPwn3r3r]

whats wrong with a honda? my old school 1990 LX sedan smoked mustangs/V6 f-body's


It's a Honda.

Also, that's not saying much as V6 F bodies are usually automatic and have a 0-60 time around the 7.5-8 second mark.

Hell, my Cavalier can handle that.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Yeah, and it's still more reliable than your car.

I've never had any trouble out of my car, I have no clue what you're talking about.

[Jakl]

Ouch Dude, good that everything is ok with you.

http://housemajor.com/gallery/main.php/v/Day2Day2007/May05/

lol, I flipping my jeep one block away from my house... Went a little to fast and too sharp of a turn, and ended up upside down lol

Never gonna buy a jeep again >.>

[cdawall]

It's a Honda.

Also, that's not saying much as V6 F bodies are usually automatic and have a 0-60 time around the 7.5-8 second mark.

Hell, my Cavalier can handle that.

it was a stock with intake exhaust and a chip

Ouch Dude, good that everything is ok with you.

http://housemajor.com/gallery/main.php/v/Day2Day2007/May05/

lol, I flipping my jeep one block away from my house... Went a little to fast and too sharp of a turn, and ended up upside down lol

Never gonna buy a jeep again >.>

ouch

[Wile E]

It's a Honda.

Also, that's not saying much as V6 F bodies are usually automatic and have a 0-60 time around the 7.5-8 second mark.

Hell, my Cavalier can handle that.

Quit being a trolling, fanboy douchebag.

And no, your Cavy can't do that.

I've never had any trouble out of my car, I have no clue what you're talking about.
Yet

[erocker]

Some people just make absolutely no sense. Cavaliers are truly some of the worst built pieces of shit I ever have had to lay a wrench on. Anyone remember the Cimmaron? The Caddillac that ruined Caddilac for a while? It was a Cavalier. The Model T has better a better suspension and chassis than the Cavalier. Almost as bad as a Baretta but not as front heavy. Yeah Wile E, a troll is a troll and will always be a troll unfortunately. Same crap that got them banned from TPU.

Anyways at least some people are intelligent enough to start an account here and troll, then create the same account name at TPU wthat is linked to one of their previously banned accounts. Good show B1gg3stn00b!

[Wile E]

Some people just make absolutely no sense. Cavaliers are truly some of the worst built pieces of shit I ever have had to lay a wrench on. Anyone remember the Cimmaron? The Caddillac that ruined Caddilac for a while? It was a Cavalier. The Model T has better a better suspension and chassis than the Cavalier. Almost as bad as a Baretta but not as front heavy. Yeah Wile E, a troll is a troll and will always be a troll unfortunately. Same crap that got them banned from TPU.

Anyways at least some people are intelligent enough to start an account here and troll, then create the same account name at TPU wthat is linked to one of their previously banned accounts. Good show B1gg3stn00b!

Hey now, at least they're better than Neons. lol. The Ecotecs are good engines as well. It's just that everything else about them sucks.

[JC316]

Some people just make absolutely no sense. Cavaliers are truly some of the worst built pieces of shit I ever have had to lay a wrench on. Anyone remember the Cimmaron? The Caddillac that ruined Caddilac for a while? It was a Cavalier. The Model T has better a better suspension and chassis than the Cavalier. Almost as bad as a Baretta but not as front heavy. Yeah Wile E, a troll is a troll and will always be a troll unfortunately. Same crap that got them banned from TPU.

Anyways at least some people are intelligent enough to start an account here and troll, then create the same account name at TPU wthat is linked to one of their previously banned accounts. Good show B1gg3stn00b!

Hmm, my 2 cavaliers were decent, but consider the crap that I deal with, that's not saying much. One had a spun bearing and the other had a bum transmission. Once fixed, they were great cars.

Biggest piece of shit that I have every worked on was a 98 Ford Contour. blew a head gasket on the Zetech, the insulation had crumbled off all the wires, leaving them bare, AND the clutch packs were going out on the transmission.

[Wile E]

Hmm, my 2 cavaliers were decent, but consider the crap that I deal with, that's not saying much. One had a spun bearing and the other had a bum transmission. Once fixed, they were great cars.

Biggest piece of shit that I have every worked on was a 98 Ford Contour. blew a head gasket on the Zetech, the insulation had crumbled off all the wires, leaving them bare, AND the clutch packs were going out on the transmission.

While the contours did having wiring issues, the Zetec is a very solid motor. If they blew the head gasket, it wasn't maintained properly. Or they are just one of the unlucky few that got a bum car. Even happens with great cars at times.

[erocker]

While the contours did having wiring issues, the Zetec is a very solid motor. If they blew the head gasket, it wasn't maintained properly. Or they are just one of the unlucky few that got a bum car. Even happens with great cars at times.

That's a big MEH. I know you didn't mean it, but the Contour is not a great car by any means. I've seen way too many of them broken in my shop and quanity + not very fun to work on = meh meh meh. Oh, works been hell this week. TGIF. I'll admit, many Cavaliers and Contours seem to be owned by folk who love beating on their cars.

[JC316]

While the contours did having wiring issues, the Zetec is a very solid motor. If they blew the head gasket, it wasn't maintained properly. Or they are just one of the unlucky few that got a bum car. Even happens with great cars at times.

Nope, it wasn't maintained for jack shit. The Zetech isn't TOO bad, had an 02 Focus that had it, it ran decently enough.


That's a big MEH. I know you didn't mean it, but the Contour is not a great car by any means. I've seen way too many of them broken in my shop and quanity + not very fun to work on = meh meh meh. Oh, works been hell this week. TGIF. I'll admit, many Cavaliers and Contours seem to be owned by folk who love beating on their cars.

Wiring, transmissions, and that GOD AWFUL timing procedure were the biggest downfalls of the Contour. It drives great, very comfortable, but they just have far too many issues.

[cdawall]

It's a Honda.

Also, that's not saying much as V6 F bodies are usually automatic and have a 0-60 time around the 7.5-8 second mark.

Hell, my Cavalier can handle that.

i call bull

My 02 Cavalier has never had any problems :P

Remember, we get the 2.2L Ecotec as well, though I have the weaker 2.2L non-ecotec LN1 engine in mine - I can still pull a decent 0-60 because my car is BONE basic (no power windows or any of that nonsense!)

Before you do anything else to your car, reduce the weight!

Take out the rear seat and AC, should fix you up, and won't stress out your gearbox like adding more power would.

At less than 2500 lbs, my car does fine as a performer and gets excellent gas mileage as well.

Also, it's an auto like yours!

the 2200 i4 is the biggest piece of crap block ever to grace the front end of a vehicle. there is no stock one of those that can even touch the 2.2L ecotec and mine has problems keeping even with F-body's and its good for a 7.2sec to 60 (this is well proven in about a dozen reviews on the car)


as for the reliability of it my GF still has hers up on jack stands we are on block number 2 tranny number 2 and everything else number 4...GM 2200 i4 mated to a 3SPD auto=top speed ungoverned of 115 maybe and sounds like a hair dryer when its revved and god forbid you try and rev it. rev's slower than the 350 in my suburban...

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Again, I've never had any trouble out of mine.

[cdawall]

Again, I've never had any trouble out of mine.

you also didn't comment on the fact that it is the shittiest 2.2L engine i can think of stock it pulled maybe a 10sec to 60

[1Kurgan1]

Ouch Dude, good that everything is ok with you.

http://housemajor.com/gallery/main.php/v/Day2Day2007/May05/

lol, I flipping my jeep one block away from my house... Went a little to fast and too sharp of a turn, and ended up upside down lol

Never gonna buy a jeep again >.>

You were going to fast in an SUV, they are very top heavy, my dads old 90 GMC Jimmy fullsize had a sticker warning right between the visors that said the vehicle was top heavy and easy to flip. Probably would have happened in any SUV you were driving, sucks though.

[JC316]

You were going to fast in an SUV, they are very top heavy, my dads old 90 GMC Jimmy fullsize had a sticker warning right between the visors that said the vehicle was top heavy and easy to flip. Probably would have happened in any SUV you were driving, sucks though.

The Grand Cherokee's are notorious for being easy to flip. I have a 96 T10 4x4 Blazer with the wide stance package. That sucker is near impossible to flip, it can take a curve almost as good as my mustang.

[1Kurgan1]

The non-full size Blazers are quiet a bit smaller than a Grand Cherokee though. My dads old Jimmy was top heavy as hell, I'm lucky I didnt flip it once, was fish tailing doing like 30 and all of a sudden the suspension loaded on one side and I couldn't steer anymore, wheels didn't come off the ground, but I had no choice on where it was going. Just the nature of SUV's.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

you also didn't comment on the fact that it is the shittiest 2.2L engine i can think of stock it pulled maybe a 10sec to 60

It has 25 less HP than the Ecotec, same way with ft lbs, but is also much lighter, as my car is in general.

I'm not arguing that it's better than the Ecotec, hell, I'd take a Z24 any day over my current car, or even the 170hp Cobalt Sport, BUT for the price (even back then the car originally cost the buyer UNDER 10 grand) and for what it's worth, it's treated me incredibly well. as a daily fuel sipper.

As for reliability, I've only put about 15k miles on the thing total since I've bought it, and I'm still below 40k on the ticker.

We'll see how it goes.

[JC316]

The non-full size Blazers are quiet a bit smaller than a Grand Cherokee though. My dads old Jimmy was top heavy as hell, I'm lucky I didnt flip it once, was fish tailing doing like 30 and all of a sudden the suspension loaded on one side and I couldn't steer anymore, wheels didn't come off the ground, but I had no choice on where it was going. Just the nature of SUV's.

Actually, my 96 T10 4 door is bigger than the Grand Cherokee in every way...

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1993-to-1998-jeep-grand-cherokee-8.htm

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-2005-chevrolet-blazer-8.htm

The older 93 and down Blazer/Jimmy were unstable as hell, but mine is like a rock.

[cdawall]

It has 25 less HP than the Ecotec, same way with ft lbs, but is also much lighter, as my car is in general.

I'm not arguing that it's better than the Ecotec, hell, I'd take a Z24 any day over my current car, or even the 170hp Cobalt Sport, BUT for the price (even back then the car originally cost the buyer UNDER 10 grand) and for what it's worth, it's treated me incredibly well. as a daily fuel sipper.

As for reliability, I've only put about 15k miles on the thing total since I've bought it, and I'm still below 40k on the ticker.

We'll see how it goes.

my gf's has 65K and is in pieces and the engine is crap 25 less HP puts it at less than my 1600LB civic 1.6L engine had and the GM block has less torque to.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

1600lb Civic?

LolWUT?!

[cdawall]

1600lb Civic?

LolWUT?!

it was a 1990 only a drivers seat no insulation and anything else that might scream creature comfort (like window motors)

[1Kurgan1]

I believe in riding in comfort while going fast :p

Actually, my 96 T10 4 door is bigger than the Grand Cherokee in every way...

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1993-to-1998-jeep-grand-cherokee-8.htm

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-2005-chevrolet-blazer-8.htm

The older 93 and down Blazer/Jimmy were unstable as hell, but mine is like a rock.

Impressive, but I Wonder which model was 3600lbs since they can come in an I6, 318 or 360, but the Blazer must just have stiffer suspension.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

it was a 1990 only a drivers seat no insulation and anything else that might scream creature comfort (like window motors)

Even that wouldn't take it down to 1600 lbs.

I don't have motor windows either.

Everything in my car is absolute BASE model.

I'm lucky I have a radio :P

[cdawall]

Even that wouldn't take it down to 1600 lbs.

I don't have motor windows either.

Everything in my car is absolute BASE model.

I'm lucky I have a radio :P

considering my cars stock weight was under 2000LBS check wikipedia if you don't believe me it took very little work to get it down that far.

and your car is still a piece of shit

[T3hPwn3r3r]

...You drive a car with the exact same chassis and 25 more horsepower... and a "custom intake"

You're a pretty cool guy, eh.

If you want to race, I can always take the family 968 down to that shithole Texas and lay absolute waste to your failomatic failwheeldrive econobox :)

[1Kurgan1]

Gutting a whole interior isn't very little work :p Can't go too far beyond that by replacing body panels or cutting something out.

[JC316]

I believe in riding in comfort while going fast :p



Impressive, but I Wonder which model was 3600lbs since they can come in an I6, 318 or 360, but the Blazer must just have stiffer suspension.

Probably the I6 is the 3600lbs one.

Mine has a special wide stance package, which has a larger sway bar, skid plates, and wider wheel hubs. The Blazer uses an adjustable torsion bar front spring, rather than a coil. Then it has the absorber mounted at an angle.

Here are a few pics of mine, you can clearly see how much further out the front wheels are compared to a normal one.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/1996%20Blazer/SDC13016.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n10/JC316_2006/1996%20Blazer/SDC13018.jpg

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah, quiet a bit out, that probably helped quiet a bit.

[cdawall]

...You drive a car with the exact same chassis and 25 more horsepower... and a "custom intake"

You're a pretty cool guy, eh.

If you want to race, I can always take the family 968 down to that shithole Texas and lay absolute waste to your failomatic failwheeldrive econobox :)

and i can probably drive circles around you i bet that 25HP is enough to leave your dumb ass in a cloud of dust. i'm going to go out on a limb and say if you drive like you talk your going to over drive a turn and end up flipped in a ditch. and they may be the same chassis but remember chevy is the family brand hence your car will have soft shocks and not handle as well as pontiac the sport brand of GM which has stiffer shocks in it.

Gutting a whole interior isn't very little work :p Can't go too far beyond that by replacing body panels or cutting something out.

kinda what i was trying to say but it appears that is very hard to understand

[1Kurgan1]

kinda what i was trying to say but it appears that is very hard to understand

Ah, well you did say the exact opposite, that will cause confusion. :p

[T3hPwn3r3r]

and i can probably drive circles around you i bet that 25HP is enough to leave your dumb ass in a cloud of dust. i'm going to go out on a limb and say if you drive like you talk your going to over drive a turn and end up flipped in a ditch. and they may be the same chassis but remember chevy is the family brand hence your car will have soft shocks and not handle as well as pontiac the sport brand of GM which has stiffer shocks in it.


See original post.

Your car already almost ended up in a ditch.

...and either way it's still a J-body, not a racecar.

While the origin of your hostility is entirely baseless and questionable, I'm pretty sure if you ran it against any Porsche, even a N/A 944 you'd have trouble.

[cdawall]

Ah, well you did say the exact opposite, that will cause confusion. :p

i do however love the 100% random BS he throws into every post.

See original post.

Your car already almost ended up in a ditch.

...and either way it's still a J-body, not a racecar.

While the origin of your hostility is entirely baseless and questionable, I'm pretty sure if you ran it against any Porsche, even a N/A 944 you'd have trouble.

what your point bad road+no ABS=wheel lockup which in a turn does this fun little thing it makes the car spin. i knew that i knew what the car was going into the turn but i didn't have much of a choice but to ride it out at that point. if you read the OP you will notice i said something about the brakes fading.

and wtf was the point of the porsche comment? i'm pretty sure a ford festiva would give your car trouble in a race

http://www.atozautolights.com/images/AutoPhotos/FOFE8893.jpg

[T3hPwn3r3r]

ITT cdawall reveals he is really a 16 year old who thinks his Pontiac Sunfire is a racecar and that a Ford Festiva can miraculously top a 3.0L high output Porsche engine because he has a cheap ebay intake and a gutted Honda.

Either way, buddy, I've done absolutely nothing to you to initiate the hostility, nor are you cool because your Pontiac Sunfire can apparently race and beat a RWD, proper suspension'd car with 236hp in a similar sized package.

I repeat again

Your J-body is NOT a race car, it is NOT fast, and you are NOT cool.

Also, ABS is standard on Sunfires, pretty sure all of them past '99 got them. Why are you driving too fast for that road anyways?

People like you are the ones who get others killed because you watched F&F and let it sink into your young, impressionable mind that street racing is actually cool in the first place.

But the question still stands, why are you such a prick out of nowhere?

[cdawall]

ITT cdawall reveals he is really a 16 year old who thinks his Pontiac Sunfire is a racecar and that a Ford Festiva can miraculously top a 3.0L high output Porsche engine because he has a cheap ebay intake and a gutted Honda.

Either way, buddy, I've done absolutely nothing to you to initiate the hostility, nor are you cool because your Pontiac Sunfire can apparently race and beat a RWD, proper suspension'd car with 236hp in a similar sized package.

I repeat again

Your J-body is NOT a race car, it is NOT fast, and you are NOT cool.

Also, ABS is standard on Sunfires, pretty sure all of them past '99 got them. Why are you driving too fast for that road anyways?

People like you are the ones who get others killed because you watched F&F and let it sink into your young, impressionable mind that street racing is actually cool in the first place.

But the question still stands, why are you such a prick out of nowhere?

GTFO ask anyone on TPU i am not fucking 16 and i said against your car if you can read. not against the porsche bravo for reading the whole post though. i wasn't street racing i was trying to make it to work on time so i didn't get fired funny how that happens.

ABS is not standard i think when i drive the car i would know if it bloody has ABS. if you would like you can look it up but i'm not going to cause i fucking know it doesn't have it hence the rear drum lockup.

why am i a prick out of nowhere? you were the 1st person to say anything rude to anyone in this thread. just leave already if you couldn't tell you were pissing everyone off in this thread here is your heads-up.

It has 25 less HP than the Ecotec, same way with ft lbs, but is also much lighter, as my car is in general.


and i never said it was fast i said it was faster than your cavvie which happens to make 115HP/135lb-ft vs the 140HP/150lb-ft of my car. my math isn't the best but 140-115 is 35 not 25 like you said earlier and 150-135 is not 0 its actually 15.

as for the gutted honda it was a toy i got for free what was a better thing to do than to play with it so it got a B16 dropped into it i had no money for a tranny so it kept the stock 4SPD auto and i stripped the car to the bone it moved it was fun and handled pretty damn well.

also the funny thing is i never said my car was faster than the 944, but if i did could someone please point it out to me. the intake was also an effort to get some more gas millage out of the car and i didn't want to drop $200 on a kit so i spent $45 at pepboys and got the BYO kit and well i built my own works well and does its thing.




now if you have anything else to say come say it in person cause i will be very happy to take the foot you have in your mouth and shove it up your ass.

[T3hPwn3r3r]

Nevermind, they de-standardized ABS in 03.

Either way, you're still Mr. Cool.

[1Kurgan1]

I see mention of a Festiva, I just have to put it up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2_iOc25rths/SV7TaOpH1mI/AAAAAAAAANs/1ulQV6OmeDc/s1600/89shogun_01.jpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7636840668885414679

So sexy.

[cdawall]

Nevermind, they de-standardized ABS in 03.

Either way, you're still Mr. Cool.

and your still a retarded dumbass

I see mention of a Festiva, I just have to put it up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2_iOc25rths/SV7TaOpH1mI/AAAAAAAAANs/1ulQV6OmeDc/s1600/89shogun_01.jpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7636840668885414679

So sexy.

lol that was part of the joke with my other post no matter what he said the festiva would still beat him :p

[T3hPwn3r3r]

CDA, you do well on behalf of all Texans on proving that the majority of you are steerfucking hicks who lack any measure of intelligence - at all.

[cdawall]

CDA, you do well on behalf of all Texans on proving that the majority of you are steerfucking hicks who lack any measure of intelligence - at all.

says the guy with a cavalier who thinks its gods gift to reliability

[1Kurgan1]

You guys just gotta relax, I'm not sure where it started, but it's come down to sub 150hp car show downs, not trying to bash anyones car here, but really, you should both be happy you have great DD's. I would love to have either of them, but probably can't afford a DD till I get a SUV for the gf next year with taxes, so then the year after that most likely :/

[cdawall]

You guys just gotta relax, I'm not sure where it started, but it's come down to sub 150hp car show downs, not trying to bash anyones car here, but really, you should both be happy you have great DD's. I would love to have either of them, but probably can't afford a DD till I get a SUV for the gf next year with taxes, so then the year after that most likely :/

wait i thought mine was a racecar :rolleyes:

[1Kurgan1]

I got a funny story about a 145hp race car. My old 91 Accord 5spd, was rusty, dented, tape over the headlights so water didn't go through the holes, cracked moonroof. But ran like a top, was slow, but could chirp 2nd so mildly fun. A guy I worked with was talking up his 3.1L 01 Malibu :/ Said he could beat me, I told him I'm sure he could and that my car was slow.

LAter that week we wont out after work and he tried egging me on on the freeway, I bite, what the hell win/loss all in good fun. I ended up walking him pretty good and once he hit the governor it was really all over. Everyone after that kept telling me they were going to buy a car to beat my pos accord :/ I told them that would be just about anything, was so sad I would get more people trying to race me in that than my GTX, freaking honda.

[cdawall]

I got a funny story about a 145hp race car. My old 91 Accord 5spd, was rusty, dented, tape over the headlights so water didn't go through the holes, cracked moonroof. But ran like a top, was slow, but could chirp 2nd so mildly fun. A guy I worked with was talking up his 3.1L 01 Malibu :/ Said he could beat me, I told him I'm sure he could and that my car was slow.

LAter that week we wont out after work and he tried egging me on on the freeway, I bite, what the hell win/loss all in good fun. I ended up walking him pretty good and once he hit the governor it was really all over. Everyone after that kept telling me they were going to buy a car to beat my pos accord :/ I told them that would be just about anything, was so sad I would get more people trying to race me in that than my GTX, freaking honda.

lol sounds like that POS civic i had covered in bondo primer and old paint it still had more people trying to race it than my buddies Z28

[T3hPwn3r3r]

says the guy with a cavalier who thinks its gods gift to reliability

As I said, your car is essentially the same exact as mine aside from the engine, and when it comes to engine maintenance - it's all down to the driver/owner.

We've had 2 Porsche 911s with over 300k miles on them in our garage.

Usually they're not expected to last that long.

It all depends on how it's treated.

However, you insulted me for no reason because I said our cars were basically the same and that mine was efficient and reliable transportation.

:confused:

The only explanation for this is that you are a right prick.

[cdawall]

As I said, your car is essentially the same exact as mine aside from the engine, and when it comes to engine maintenance - it's all down to the driver/owner.

We've had 2 Porsche 911s with over 300k miles on them in our garage.

Usually they're not expected to last that long.

It all depends on how it's treated.

However, you insulted me for no reason because I said our cars were basically the same and that mine was efficient and reliable transportation.

:confused:

The only explanation for this is that you are a right prick.


actually you insulted me multiple times. now if you notice here i underlined were you were incorrect in a post and bolded were you insulted me

...You drive a car with the exact same chassis and 25 more horsepower... and a "custom intake"

You're a pretty cool guy, eh.

If you want to race, I can always take the family 968 down to that shithole Texas and lay absolute waste to your failomatic failwheeldrive econobox :)

See original post.

Your car already almost ended up in a ditch.

...and either way it's still a J-body, not a racecar.

While the origin of your hostility is entirely baseless and questionable, I'm pretty sure if you ran it against any Porsche, even a N/A 944 you'd have trouble.

ITT cdawall reveals he is really a 16 year old who thinks his Pontiac Sunfire is a racecar and that a Ford Festiva can miraculously top a 3.0L high output Porsche engine because he has a cheap ebay intake and a gutted Honda.

Either way, buddy, I've done absolutely nothing to you to initiate the hostility, nor are you cool because your Pontiac Sunfire can apparently race and beat a RWD, proper suspension'd car with 236hp in a similar sized package.

I repeat again

Your J-body is NOT a race car, it is NOT fast, and you are NOT cool.

Also, ABS is standard on Sunfires, pretty sure all of them past '99 got them. Why are you driving too fast for that road anyways?

People like you are the ones who get others killed because you watched F&F and let it sink into your young, impressionable mind that street racing is actually cool in the first place.

But the question still stands, why are you such a prick out of nowhere?

Nevermind, they de-standardized ABS in 03.

Either way, you're still Mr. Cool.

CDA, you do well on behalf of all Texans on proving that the majority of you are steerfucking hicks who lack any measure of intelligence - at all.


all i did was say what 3 other people said that 1 your car could not pull a 7-8sec 0-60 and 2 your car was a piece

Yeah, and it's still more reliable than your car.

It's a Honda.

Also, that's not saying much as V6 F bodies are usually automatic and have a 0-60 time around the 7.5-8 second mark.

Hell, my Cavalier can handle that.

Quit being a trolling, fanboy douchebag.

And no, your Cavy can't do that.


Yet

Some people just make absolutely no sense. Cavaliers are truly some of the worst built pieces of shit I ever have had to lay a wrench on. Anyone remember the Cimmaron? The Caddillac that ruined Caddilac for a while? It was a Cavalier. The Model T has better a better suspension and chassis than the Cavalier. Almost as bad as a Baretta but not as front heavy. Yeah Wile E, a troll is a troll and will always be a troll unfortunately. Same crap that got them banned from TPU.

Anyways at least some people are intelligent enough to start an account here and troll, then create the same account name at TPU wthat is linked to one of their previously banned accounts. Good show B1gg3stn00b!

That's a big MEH. I know you didn't mean it, but the Contour is not a great car by any means. I've seen way too many of them broken in my shop and quanity + not very fun to work on = meh meh meh. Oh, works been hell this week. TGIF. I'll admit, many Cavaliers and Contours seem to be owned by folk who love beating on their cars.


and honestly after reading through your posts i really want to call alot of BS on you. your up to a crapalier, 3 porsches, a 97 GLI V6 and a maxima V6 with straight pipes.

I live in the middle of a semi-large city so I need to find a place to do it...

97 GLI V6, 5 speed.

Also, Nissan Maxima V6 straightpiped.


do you plan on stopping or does this need to keep going because you keep saying the same thing your cavalier is amazing and for some reason makes 10HP and 15lb-ft more than any other stock cav out there and i'm just a big meanie head that has insulted you and started this whole thing

[T3hPwn3r3r]

We (my family) have several cars which I have the keys to, the GLI isn't mine, but my roommate during the week's, and I drive it daily Mon-Thurs, only 1 Porsche now, the 911s were gone in '99.

We also have an 09 Corolla and an 05 Pacifica


"all i did was say what 3 other people said that 1 your car could not pull a 7-8sec 0-60 and 2 your car was a piece"

- ...and I responded by saying yours was too (which it is) and you're incredibly butthurt and flip out and start a war over nothing.

...and as I said, a massive reinforcement to Texan stereotypes of not having basic reading comprehension skills.

[cdawall]

We (my family) have several cars which I have the keys to, the GLI isn't mine, but my roommate during the week's, and I drive it daily Mon-Thurs, only 1 Porsche now, the 911s were gone in '99.

We also have an 09 Corolla and an 05 Pacifica


"all i did was say what 3 other people said that 1 your car could not pull a 7-8sec 0-60 and 2 your car was a piece"

- ...and I responded by saying yours was too (which it is) and you're incredibly butthurt and flip out and start a war over nothing.

...and as I said, a massive reinforcement to Texan stereotypes of not having basic reading comprehension skills.

read the above post dumbfuck your repeating the same god damn thing over and over again i have pointed out you wrong in several comments and now you seem stuck on trying to insult me why dont you just GTFO of this thread and stop fucking posting in it.

my car may not be the fastest nicest thing out there but its got more straight line that any civic short of the newer Si's and the ecotec block is one of the best 4 cylinder blocks out right now. unlike the POS 2200 in your car.

[RevengE]

Quit the flaming now.

[JC316]

CDA, you do well on behalf of all Texans on proving that the majority of you are steerfucking hicks who lack any measure of intelligence - at all.

I am a Texan.... I find it amusing that most of the world perceives Texas like that. Most of the people that come here realize that it's a damn nice state if you can handle the heat.

[cdawall]

I am a Texan.... I find it amusing that most of the world perceives Texas like that. Most of the people that come here realize that it's a damn nice state if you can handle the heat.

i think i just need to start riding my horse to work lol

[JC316]

i think i just need to start riding my horse to work lol

I know why your car slid off the ditch, it was the weight of your gun rack in the back window. That or your rebel flag caught the wind. Did yall know that when a texan gets his drivers license, they send a rebel flag and a Hank jr CD with it?

[cdawall]

I know why your car slid off the ditch, it was the weight of your gun rack in the back window. That or your rebel flag caught the wind. Did yall know that when a texan gets his drivers license, they send a rebel flag and a Hank jr CD with it?

ooh so your saying i need to take the confederate flag down and pull my over-under out of the back window?

[cdawall]

hmmm well just checked with the body shop that little dink is about $2000 worth of damage and thats with a discount. turns out the bottom of the door is forked a good little bit to.

oh and to top it all off i need to make the insurance deductible i ship out for the USAF july 14th they lost my fucking fingerprints so i have to come back to houston from near san antonio the 7th to get that crap done. woot for me.

[1Kurgan1]

$2000 thats not too bad, really surprised it's not more than that. How much is your deductible?

Sucks about the Air Force thing though :(

[3991v]

says the guy with a cavalier who thinks its gods gift to reliability

cavaliers have damn reliable engines, my mom had a '87 cavvy with about 200,000 miles and we never had to do maintenance other than oil change air filter change the basic stuff. The chassis, is not that great though.

[cdawall]

$2000 thats not too bad, really surprised it's not more than that. How much is your deductible?

Sucks about the Air Force thing though :(

$500

cavaliers have damn reliable engines, my mom had a '87 cavvy with about 200,000 miles and we never had to do maintenance other than oil change air filter change the basic stuff. The chassis, is not that great though.

they have had a bad rap as of late

[1Kurgan1]

$500

Well thats not too bad, I would get it fixed by the shop then, since it's only $500 out of your pocket. Make sure it's a good shop though, $2000 still seems really low for that, don't want your newer car hacked out.

[3991v]

they have had a bad rap as of late

I guess they went from great back in the late '80s to crap. Oh well, I'll probably wind up with a late '80s early '90s cavvy anyway :p

Best of luck getting your Pontiac fixed up brah

[Wile E]

I guess they went from great back in the late '80s to crap. Oh well, I'll probably wind up with a late '80s early '90s cavvy anyway :p

Best of luck getting your Pontiac fixed up brah

Actually, the 80's and 90's Cavaliers were less reliable. Try to find an Ecotec powered Cavalier/Cobalt/Sunfire. They are a bit more reliable.


As far as the Pontiac, cd. I'd probably just get rid of it, personally. Hits like that usually change a car forever.

[3991v]

Actually, the 80's and 90's Cavaliers were less reliable. Try to find an Ecotec powered Cavalier/Cobalt/Sunfire. They are a bit more reliable.
I guess we were lucky then :p

[JC316]

I guess we were lucky then :p

It depends on a lot of factors. Maintenance and driving habits are the main ones. If you are trying to race it every day, the 2.2L is probably going to die quickly. If you use it for what it is, a gas saver, then it should last for a WHILE.

[3991v]

It depends on a lot of factors. Maintenance and driving habits are the main ones. If you are trying to race it every day, the 2.2L is probably going to die quickly. If you use it for what it is, a gas saver, then it should last for a WHILE.

It was a family car. It happily hauled my ass to school and everyone's ass to the store, etc. We dont have a garage btw, so it always sat out. Never raced.

So I guess our definitions of "reliable" are on 2 different pages

[Wile E]

It was a family car. It happily hauled my ass to school and everyone's ass to the store, etc. We dont have a garage btw, so it always sat out. Never raced.

So I guess our definitions of "reliable" are on 2 different pages

No. Same page. Just that the ecotec car is MORE reliable.

And you're a teenage boy, whether you want to admit it or not, you are going to beat on the car. lol You need all the extra reliability you can get.

[cdawall]

Well thats not too bad, I would get it fixed by the shop then, since it's only $500 out of your pocket. Make sure it's a good shop though, $2000 still seems really low for that, don't want your newer car hacked out.

shop came recommended to me by a really good friend who has had his 350Z fixed there 3 times now and that car looks great still

Actually, the 80's and 90's Cavaliers were less reliable. Try to find an Ecotec powered Cavalier/Cobalt/Sunfire. They are a bit more reliable.


As far as the Pontiac, cd. I'd probably just get rid of it, personally. Hits like that usually change a car forever.

it was in an accident before i got it you can see pull marks in the other rear fender and that whole side isn't lined up

[3991v]

No. Same page. Just that the ecotec car is MORE reliable.

And you're a teenage boy, whether you want to admit it or not, you are going to beat on the car. lol You need all the extra reliability you can get.

I am rough on cars lol, but I never drove the Cavvy however it was driven pretty good by my parents. (frame rusted out about 6 years ago, sold it to go to a demolition derby :D)

[cdawall]

just got the car finished while i have been at basic $3600 worth of damage :eek: