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3991v
07-03-2009, 01:35 PM
This is for all the members of GN that can't stand to use a Tremolo system in their guitar!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090703/94___Schaller.jpg

Hardtail, Tune-O-Matic, or string thru FTW!!

Member list:

3991v - String Thru
Frederik S - TOM
FreedomEclipse - String Thru-body
FordGT90Concept
07-03-2009, 02:03 PM
Doesn't Prince use one of those?
From_Nowhere
07-03-2009, 07:02 PM
Lol, a club for those that don't want to fuck with Floyd, but rather play with TOM.

My Gibson Explorer has a TOM.
T3hPwn3r3r
07-03-2009, 11:30 PM
Tremolos win.
Wile E
07-04-2009, 08:56 AM
Tremolos win.

Yep, at sucking the tone and sustain out of a guitar.
3991v
07-04-2009, 05:15 PM
Yep, at sucking the tone and sustain out of a guitar.
This
erocker
07-04-2009, 07:18 PM
Yep, at sucking the tone and sustain out of a guitar.

Bah, shitty ones do. My Kramer has a Floyd Rose on it and has sustain forever. Tone.. well lol, it's a Kramer, it doesn't know what good tone is.
mlee49
07-05-2009, 04:00 AM
Floyd Rose Tremolo FTW!
Wile E
07-05-2009, 08:30 AM
Bah, shitty ones do. My Kramer has a Floyd Rose on it and has sustain forever. Tone.. well lol, it's a Kramer, it doesn't know what good tone is. Compare it to one with a fixed bridge, but otherwise identical, and you'll hear the Trem, even tho it's a top quality one, killed the sustain.
Frederik S
07-05-2009, 02:12 PM
Where do I sign up?
I love the TOM and stopbar on my Gibson. Sustain for years baby!

Now I just need a set of better pickups for my LP, anyone heard the Phat Cat SPH90-1 IRL?
3991v
07-07-2009, 06:51 PM
Where do I sign up?
I love the TOM and stopbar on my Gibson. Sustain for years baby!

Now I just need a set of better pickups for my LP, anyone heard the Phat Cat SPH90-1 IRL?

Added to the list! :) Never heard of those pickups before
Wile E
07-07-2009, 07:16 PM
Where do I sign up?
I love the TOM and stopbar on my Gibson. Sustain for years baby!

Now I just need a set of better pickups for my LP, anyone heard the Phat Cat SPH90-1 IRL?
Heard of them, never heard them. What kind of sound are you after?

I have '57 Gibson Classic+ in mine. Hot and smooth.
Frederik S
07-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Heard of them, never heard them. What kind of sound are you after?

I have '57 Gibson Classic+ in mine. Hot and smooth.

I want something less compressed sounding than the 490R / 498T combo in my studio. Something crispier with a less boomy bottom, I want them to sing! A livelier highend would be nice as well I kinda figured these had it from the reviews here, but do not know user reviews are often off especially on such items.

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Electric+Guitar+Pickup/product/Seymour+Duncan/Phat+Cats/10/4

But was just checking if anyone else around here had heard them.

I think I am going to try them. It is easy to revert from them if I want to swap back to my humbuckers. And I think they just might be the pups for me (but I will probably end up trying lots of different one, just do not tell my wallet as it is already in hiding :))
Wile E
07-10-2009, 04:08 AM
You could always give the P-90's a shot as well. (Which is what the Duncans are based off of, I'm sure).

From what you are describing, a P-90 style single coils is what you are after.

Another option you have, is to install coil splitters on your stock pick-ups, enabling you to turn them into a single coil at will.
Frederik S
07-10-2009, 06:01 PM
You could always give the P-90's a shot as well. (Which is what the Duncans are based off of, I'm sure).

From what you are describing, a P-90 style single coils is what you are after.

Another option you have, is to install coil splitters on your stock pick-ups, enabling you to turn them into a single coil at will.

Yeah well if the original P-90s fitted my LP I would throw them in instantly but because it has humbucker sized holes I would have to elongate them and the cavity would still be way to wide.

Going to try the GuitarFetish ones for now and get some small caps as well if the high end becomes to prominent I am going to swap to some .022 uF. So looking forward to getting my black on black P90 "Dream" pups.
T3hPwn3r3r
07-10-2009, 06:11 PM
Original Japanese made Edge (not Edge Pro) tremolos win. As do older model Kahlers.

Also, new Gibson aftermarket pickups are cheap crap, buy Dimarzio!
Frederik S
07-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Some are good some are not so good. The new BurstBucker Pro's from Gibson sound nice. Also the vintage line sound sweet. Which is totally off topic by the way :)
Ozzmanfloyd120
07-18-2009, 05:12 PM
Sucking tone and sustain? Ever heard of Pantera, Randy Rhodes, or Eddie VH?
Wile E
07-20-2009, 05:22 AM
Sucking tone and sustain? Ever heard of Pantera, Randy Rhodes, or Eddie VH?

Then play the same exact guitars without the trems, and you'll hear the difference. It is a proven fact that all trems diminish sustain, and change the tone of the guitar, when all else is equal. It's not an opinion. Whether it bothers you or not is an opinion, but the tone and sustain differences are fact.
T3hPwn3r3r
07-20-2009, 05:47 AM
I'll just say this.

If you use the tremolo - go for it.

If not - don't buy a guitar with one :P
3991v
07-20-2009, 11:11 PM
Then play the same exact guitars without the trems, and you'll hear the difference. It is a proven fact that all trems diminish sustain, and change the tone of the guitar, when all else is equal. It's not an opinion. Whether it bothers you or not is an opinion, but the tone and sustain differences are fact.

Like if you bought a RR Jackson V with a FR and a RR Jackson V with a hard tail you could tell the difference.
Papahyooie
07-22-2009, 02:59 AM
I agree. Im a bass player, and ive never even seen one with a tremolo, but as for guitars, i dont like to play anything but string-thru. Trems kill any sort of resonance you'd get from the body... so why spend thousands on premium wood when the tone is going to be the same as a shitty synthetic-covered body?
Wile E
07-22-2009, 03:25 AM
I agree. Im a bass player, and ive never even seen one with a tremolo, but as for guitars, i dont like to play anything but string-thru. Trems kill any sort of resonance you'd get from the body... so why spend thousands on premium wood when the tone is going to be the same as a shitty synthetic-covered body?

I don't mind stopbar bridges either. (I better not, owning a LP. lol)
Papahyooie
07-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Well, I only own a shitty fender guitar (actually i think it was made as one of those squier guitars, because its really light, but its branded as a fender) but I have a really nice Spector bass, and its got a hardtail bridge and it resonates just fine. My bro is the guitar nut of the family though, he owns like 8 guitars... he has one thats some polycarbonate shit AND a tremelo... paid like a grand for it and it sounds like shit... tone is so hollow and my shitty fender sustains twice as long as that one does.
Wile E
07-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Well, I only own a shitty fender guitar (actually i think it was made as one of those squier guitars, because its really light, but its branded as a fender) but I have a really nice Spector bass, and its got a hardtail bridge and it resonates just fine. My bro is the guitar nut of the family though, he owns like 8 guitars... he has one thats some polycarbonate shit AND a tremelo... paid like a grand for it and it sounds like shit... tone is so hollow and my shitty fender sustains twice as long as that one does.

Yeah, I've heard those acrylic/poly guitars before. Horrendous. I'll stick with my no trem, wooden guitars, tyvm. lol.

I think the next guitar I may look into might be a PRS.
FreedomEclipse
07-23-2009, 02:06 PM
can I join, My main guitar is a thu-body (Damien Ex Baritone)
Steevo
07-24-2009, 02:43 AM
I have a acoustic electric ibanez, red flamed, black mirror pick guard, silver ultralight earnie ball strings, silver machineheads and frets....
CortezTheKiller
07-30-2009, 08:47 PM
It's all about the bigsby

http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/electric/Features/images/T3-Features-Tailpiece436.jpg