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SK-1

07-15-2009, 06:44 PM

This took me by surprise. I really thought this (the president's birth certificate) issue was resolved.:confused:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

WhiteLotus

07-15-2009, 06:59 PM

Crazy.

This makes me glad that our armed forces service the crown, not the idiot in charge.

erocker

07-15-2009, 08:09 PM

FordGT90Concept

07-15-2009, 08:54 PM

They were (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) (all over the news in Summer 2008). The issue at hand is if he was born outside of the USA and not on soverign USA property (military bases, diplomat establishments, etc.), he is not elgible to run for Presidency (the same reason Schwarzenegger can't run). One of the certificates is clearly wrong/forgery.

Just like last time, nothing will come of it. The "people" (majority) don't care if his presidency is illegitimate and they made that clear by voting for him.

btarunr

07-15-2009, 09:37 PM

WND pretty-much specializes in anti-Obama content. I'm skeptical about attaching importance to it.

T3hPwn3r3r

07-15-2009, 10:13 PM

I'm not the biggest Obama fanboy out there, BUT -

Obama IS an American born citizen, and it has been proven and documented through several sources such as newspapers and his own REAL (not forged) birth certificate.

This is just another example of the right wing radicals being sore losers.

Namslas90

07-16-2009, 04:34 AM

...Than again, his birth was recorded in Honolulu by the Advertiser and Star Bulliten in 1961 documenting his birth there.
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/birthann.jpg

Whoopie, my wedding and birth of my children was also printed in the announcements section of the local paper in California.

But I was married and the kids were born in another country!

LOL..a newspaper announcement is "paid" for...so you can announce anything you want.
:D

erocker

07-16-2009, 05:33 AM

Whoopie, my wedding and birth of my children was also printed in the announcements section of the local paper in California.

But I was married and the kids were born in another country!

LOL..a newspaper announcement is "paid" for...so you can announce anything you want.
:D

So do you think the conspiracy to get Barak in the Presidency started at birth?

dr emulator (madmax)

07-16-2009, 09:37 AM

Military coo anyone? Fucking hell, I can't believe this crap! If Obama wasn't born here, we better throw his ass out immediately and try him for treason. And why in the hell wasn't the public made aware of this before the election? This is serious shit and it's basically being ignored?! Why was Obama allowed to run in the first place without proof of birth? WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Than again, his birth was recorded in Honolulu by the Advertiser and Star Bulliten in 1961 documenting his birth there.
http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/erocker414/birthann.jpg ooh erocker carefull the fbi might be round with talk like that;)
well i think it doesn't matter where he was born just whether he's up to the job if he isn't then throw his ass out
hm treason maybe a little bit overboard:D
if it was up to me i'd try bush for war crimes then if that was thrown out
still chuck hs ass in jail for wasting so much money in iraq the taliban don't live there

FordGT90Concept

07-16-2009, 03:09 PM

Obama increased the deficit more in three months than Bush did in eight years. Bush at least has something to show for it (an Iraqi republic).

I just wish the GAO or FBI sent a probe out to investigate what happened in Kenya. If Kenya's government considers the birth certificate legitimate, meaning two countries both possess and verify a birth certificate, a thorough investigation needs to be performed to validate one and invalidate the other.

Deusxmachina

07-16-2009, 03:20 PM

Good for him, and good for America. All he has to do is show the form. It's not complicated; show the form. Every time the White House staff or someone else laughs it off, they are laughing right at the American people and the Constitution of the United States.

If the form had already been shown and the issue settled, I'm thinking we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If you want some more, read up on Obama's aunt not being a citizen, and no one cares.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/judge_allows_ob.html

"In 2003, a judge ordered her to leave the country, but she stayed. Later that year, she tried to stay again. But she lost the appeal, and an immigration judge ordered her deported in October 2004.

Instead, Onyango remained in Boston and lived in state and federal public housing. Critics have denounced her for defying deportation and for living in public housing while scores of families are on waiting lists."

Namslas90

07-16-2009, 04:36 PM

So do you think the conspiracy to get Barak in the Presidency started at birth?

I'm just saying that its common for an "annouoncement" to appear in a local paper even if the event happens overseas.

Back then all births/marriages/deaths, had kinda the same format as the obama one. Not a lot of info, just a name/date etc...but notice the location is not mentioned, seldom was back then.

FordGT90Concept

07-16-2009, 06:14 PM

Yeah, his grandmother could have put it in the local paper even though he was born in Kenya (not saying he was but just for arguments sake).

Edit: They say the Hawaii certificate that was put on Obama's site isn't the official long-form document that is needed (the one on the site could have been a forgery):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdyLOUHz-A

Seriously, it wouldn't be hard for him to put this to bed, why haven't they? People only hide something when they have something to hide. It always has been fishy and it still is.

This trial (Berg v. Obama (http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/)), the judge declared it "moot." I don't know if the lawsuits are still going or not in higher courts.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case (http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/philip-j-berg-v-obama-january-21-2009-application-for-stay-denied-justice-scalia-obama-not-eligible-obama-not-natural-born-citizen-case-08a505/) the day after Obama was sworn in.

Papahyooie

07-17-2009, 07:07 AM

Im pretty much of the persuasion that if there was nothing funny going on, it would have ALL been cleared up by now. If he had a full birth certificate, it would be everywhere, and there'd be no question anymore.

And for those that say that records werent kept very well back then... Obama was born in 1961 if i'm correct.

... McCain was born in 19-freakin-36! He's got one! My great grandmother is 91 this year and she's got one! (you should hear her anti-obama speeches... they're freakin halarious, lol)

Like i said... regardless of newspaper articles (wow... i cant believe anyone would agree that that is proof... ESPECIALLY in the case of our own president) and regardless of short form birth certificates (which can be obtained SO easily... you can get them made out over the phone and sent to you for christ' sake) I cant see how he even made it into office when there was so much controversy over it... just goes to show how apathetic most americans are these days.

FordGT90Concept

07-17-2009, 02:18 PM

You'd think he would have to file a full length birth certificate before being elgible to run for President in order to verify he (any applicant) was born in the USA. No birth certificate would mean no right to run.

T3hPwn3r3r

07-27-2009, 05:41 PM

Namslas90

07-27-2009, 06:39 PM

Obama's birth certificate is on file with the state of Hawaii.

Why would anyone put the advertisement of a child's birth in the newspaper of a country they don't live in 40-50 years before he happens to run for president so he can dupe the American people into thinking he's a citizen?

Honestly this is all just butthurt nonsense.

Children move...Parents(still at home) pay the newspaper to place the add so their friends can "oogle" at their child's accomplishments. Both my wedding and 2 child birth announcements were printed in my local home town paper. They gave basic info like "Born", "married" but no information as to "where". I was married and had the kids in Germany. The notice was printed in a newspaper in California.

This is why newspaper announcements are not accurate or reliable.

SK-1

07-27-2009, 11:11 PM

Honestly this is all just butthurt nonsense.

No. Butthurt nonsense is Obama not just releasing all the facts. Obama could stop this butthurt nonsense with one call, but he won't. Just like his medical records. No other president has gotten away with not releasing medical records....except his majesty Nobama.

FordGT90Concept

07-27-2009, 11:48 PM

A few Senators/House of Repesentitive members are trying to pass legislation that mandates people wanting to run for office must present the full birth certificate and some other documents before they are elgible. Basically, it would require that you certify yourself as a candidate before you can be a candidate.

The laws Obama ran under said you must be born in the USA but it doesn't say you have to prove that you were born in the USA. Obama's presidency could be unconstitutional but still remain in office (claim ignorance).

Papahyooie

07-28-2009, 07:17 AM

Obama's birth certificate is on file with the state of Hawaii.

Why would anyone put the advertisement of a child's birth in the newspaper of a country they don't live in 40-50 years before he happens to run for president so he can dupe the American people into thinking he's a citizen?

Honestly this is all just butthurt nonsense.

No, sadly its really not. If it was this would have been a non-issue from the beginning. And nobody put the ad in the newspaper as a conspiricy to make him president. Its just a coincidence that they got the newspaper article printed. But its nowhere near proof as many have said. A newspaper is a private organization and those ads are PAID. They will print anything you want.

Steevo

07-28-2009, 01:38 PM

Deusxmachina

07-28-2009, 06:20 PM

So, they proved it again. But since he is a democratic nigger every white republican will want to see it with their own eyes, and then call it a photoshop.

Because all Republicans are white and care that Obama is black. Meanwhile, it's Democrats who continuously separate people into groups and treat them differently based on race and constantly remind people that everyone is different because of the color of their skin.

mike047

07-28-2009, 06:28 PM

So, they proved it again. But since he is a democratic nigger every white republican will want to see it with their own eyes, and then call it a photoshop.

Congratulations. You are a douchebag.

Free rangeing trans fat free low carb breaded fried chikkin anyone?

I've met more "white" niggers than "black".......His or anyone else's color is not at issue, his birth certificate is. I still don't think a genuine article has been presented. If BO would pony up the original[if he can] then all his free publicity will go away.

Steevo

07-28-2009, 07:30 PM

mike047

07-28-2009, 10:30 PM

Lets not get into wiggers here.

I don't know if you are exepecting him to send it to every US citizen who wants to question it, or what. But it was in the news today that they http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate;_ylt=AjpNEqTzC89F_h2f94 O4MzeCfNdF have reaffirmed his birth certificate.

So this is a excersize by a few bigots and overzealous clan leaders to get attention for themselves, and one jerkoff who only wanted a free meal ticket in the military, not to actually do somethign for his country. I have lots of family who were/are in the military, and they all think the same.

I don't vote, am not republican, democratic, left or right wing. I'm just anti-bullshit.

I am 13 year ex-military and that did not even enter my thoughts. You are probably correct with the guy wanting a free ride. I personally don't think the original is available. I don't particularly need to "see" anything, I have very little respect/confidence in BO and if he were to make a public statement it would gain him some ground with me. I do vote, but not for him:D

edit; I saw that copy of his "birth certificate" quite some time back.

Deusxmachina

07-28-2009, 11:38 PM

Presidents always get the perks. My birth certificate looks like it was done on an old typewriter, while Obama, even being older, gets a fancy-looking, word-processor-looking one. Maybe it's just Hawaii had more advanced technology.

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 12:18 AM

I don't know if you are exepecting him to send it to every US citizen who wants to question it, or what. But it was in the news today that they http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate;_ylt=AjpNEqTzC89F_h2f94 O4MzeCfNdF have reaffirmed his birth certificate.
It still doesn't say what doctor delivered him, the hospital he was born at, and the witness(es) that saw it. Again, that "certificate of live birth" just means there is another birth certificate that has that information.

SK-1

07-29-2009, 12:36 AM

So, they proved it again. But since he is a democratic nigger every white republican will want to see it with their own eyes, and then call it a photoshop.

Who called him a NIGGER? You are starting to sound like a white version of this douchbag,http://img.techpowerup.org/090728/Capture322.jpg
Henry Louis Gates Jr. RACIST professor...

Steevo

07-29-2009, 02:02 AM

I have heard it from far too many people in my area. That is what the majority who are queationing the president think. These are the same people who believe the police do no wrong unless it is to them. The same people who would like to see all the "towel heads" nuked.

Basically a bunch of white trash honkeys.

How do you know I am white? Do I type "white"?

It still doesn't say what doctor delivered him, the hospital he was born at, and the witness(es) that saw it. Again, that "certificate of live birth" just means there is another birth certificate that has that information.

SO you are saying it could be photoshopped?

I just looked at my childrens birth certificate, since we declined to have the information listed and have the "fancy" certificate printed, it only contains the basic information, child/mother/father name, time and date of birth, sex and record number.

After the birth, we had one made that contains handprint, and foot print, and all other vital information, and that had to be witnessed and notarized as it was filled out by us instead of hospital staff.

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 04:05 AM

It's not photoshopped coming from the State of Hawaii. It just isn't adequate to satisfy the highest elected office in the USA.

Personally, I think the "natural born" clause is biased. There's a lot of people that would like to see Swarchenegger run for President but that clause disqualifies him from doing so. As such, the law is the law and it must be upheld be it "right" or not.

Here's McCain's birth certificate:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9934044/John-McCain-Birth-Certificate

Here's the short form (equivilent of what we have from the State of Hawaii):
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/mccain%20birth.html

SK-1

07-29-2009, 04:14 AM

I have heard it from far too many people in my area. That is what the majority who are questioning the president think. These are the same people who believe the police do no wrong unless it is to them. The same people who would like to see all the "towel heads" nuked.
Basically a bunch of white trash honkeys.
How do you know I am white? Do I type "white"?

The majority who are questioning the president are white because, statistically speaking, whites outnumber blacks. No racism here.

If you have personally heard "many" people in your area call the President a Nigger, then you must be a very passive black person. I'd be another black man in jail if I herd that shit ,as a black man.

Bunching a group of people together is just another form of passive racism.
Like the "all the Towel Heads" being nuked statement. I know people like that exist, but not the majority.
I disagree with Obama on just about every piece of legislation he has voted for. But I don't hate him, just his politics.;)

T3hPwn3r3r

07-29-2009, 07:41 AM

No. Butthurt nonsense is Obama not just releasing all the facts. Obama could stop this butthurt nonsense with one call, but he won't. Just like his medical records. No other president has gotten away with not releasing medical records....except his majesty Nobama.

"Nobama"

So cute.

No other president's citizenship has been questioned.

Also, how the fuck is Gates a racist? I would be embittered too if arrested by cops for entering my own home, being taken for a criminal due to profiling.

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 08:29 AM

McCain's birth place was questioned. He misspoke in answering but he did present his birth certificates to clear the matter up. He was born in Panama on a US military base.

No other president had his wife saying he was adopted in Indonesia, a grandmother saying he was born in Kenya and witnessed it, his sister claiming he was born in one hospital, and him claiming to be born in another hospital. When you have five different people saying five different things, it is illogical to not question it.

Gates brought up the fact that he was black (in an in-your-face way), not Crowley. Crowley subsequently arrested him for being confrontational, not cooperating, and "causing a public disturbance."

If Gates had cooperated, nothing would have come of it. Hell, nothing should have come of it.

I'm not saying racial profiling doesn't happen because it does. It is just very, very hard to believe, in this case, that it did happen. Who made it about race? Gates did; hence, that makes him a racist.

Even if Crowley was racial profiling, it is still in Gates' best interest to cooperate. There would have been no incentive to book him.

SK-1

07-29-2009, 08:35 AM

Also, how the fuck is Gates a racist? I would be embittered too if arrested by cops for entering my own home, being taken for a criminal due to profiling.

You mean, your parents home basement?>:D

Anyway, the latest evidence proves you wrong. This was called in. Listen to the original 911 call.
Profiling involves NO call in's, just bad rouge cops. OMG I can't believe I need to explain this to you.:rolleyes:
If this was a real justified case of profiling, Jessy Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton and ALL the rest of the squeaky wheels would have had their ugly mugs on the news by now lol. You're just defending this black bigot because he's a butt buddy with Nobama.

mike047

07-29-2009, 08:37 AM

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 08:57 AM

I wish there was a higher quality picture of it. Oh well. :(

mike047

07-29-2009, 09:55 AM

I wish there was a higher quality picture of it. Oh well. :(

Mine looks almost as bad and it is an original. In 1947, apparently the copy technique was wanting:D...It is mostly black, like the "old" mimeograph copies.

Papahyooie

07-29-2009, 11:22 AM

Funny how Obama was born in the early 60's and he's got that nice pretty one. Hell, I was born in 88 and mine isnt that pretty.

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 11:23 AM

You'd think, if you really wanted to, you could request a fresh copy of the original but, 50+ years ago is a lot of opportunity to "lose" the original. :(

T3hPwn3r3r

07-29-2009, 05:45 PM

According to the state of Hawaii, his original birth certificate is on file and verified to be real.

There's no proof against him being an American citizen and plenty for.

...and is Nobama supposed to be clever or imply something? The contraction, when expanded and used in context, as you said "buddies with No Obama"

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I'll admit I didn't know anything about the Gates situation, and yeah it was wrong for him to react how he did - but slinging the N word around, whether you're black or white - only prolongs the problem.

Ain't right, y'see?

ChromeDome

07-29-2009, 06:54 PM

story is much ado about nothing

FordGT90Concept

07-29-2009, 10:44 PM

According to the state of Hawaii, his original birth certificate is on file and verified to be real.
Then why doesn't Obama order a copy of the original be made and release to the public like most other politicians have? Like I said, he wouldn't even have to try to put this issue to bed but he inisists on not doing so. WTF is he hiding?

SK-1

07-30-2009, 01:55 AM

I'll admit I didn't know anything about the Gates situation, and yeah it was wrong for him to react how he did - but slinging the N word around, whether you're black or white - only prolongs the problem.

We finally agree on something. FYI, Gates and Obama have been friends for years. Obama even mentioned it in the original news conference.

In all honesty, I bet Obama would gain some of his latest lost approval rating by simply releasing his health and original birth certificate.

WhiteLotus

07-30-2009, 11:17 AM

story is much ado about nothing

Agree with you there. Hell if it McCain that got in, i'd be hearing about all the anti McCainians go on about how he is illegal and somehow screwing things up.

No matter s/he does the person in charge can never do right.

Triprift

07-30-2009, 11:43 AM

I for one am happy Obama got in love all this bs trying to discredit him but then thats politics you see the same things here just not as extreme and personal.

FordGT90Concept

07-30-2009, 12:02 PM

Agree with you there. Hell if it McCain that got in, i'd be hearing about all the anti McCainians go on about how he is illegal and somehow screwing things up.
I doubt it. Yes, they would complain about something but I doubt it would be his birth.

yogurt_21

07-30-2009, 01:39 PM

lol @ this thread.

let's say for giggles that Obama was born out of the country and the documents were forged.

let's also say that he couldn't claim ignorance and he would be removed from office.

do you really want Biden running things?

FordGT90Concept

07-30-2009, 03:38 PM

Do I "want" Biden running things? Of course not. Biden is, after all, was the driving force behind DMCA (which we all hate). He's as loony as the rest of the lot. Personally, I think Biden has more common sense and a better understanding of the political climate than Obama but, at the same time, I 97% disagree with Biden and 99% disagree with Obama. Both choices suck yet, that's not the issue at hand.

The Constitution is the only thing protecting us from our government (in theory, at least). If the highest elected chair was taken by unconstitutional means, that represents the failure of the government to uphold our "inalienable rights." That means the government has proven itself unworthy of serving us, the constituents. That is the major underlying issue here. His name on the document means little--it's not him (Obama) that failed to sound the alarm (again--Madoff, AIG, Goldman Sachs, etc., anyone?) because one can never expect the criminals to turn themselves in. It's our government, as a whole, failing to achieve anything except legislate our rights away and selectively ignore the rest.

This unresponsiveness by Obama/White House to the issue shifts more and more blame to him should he be proven illegitimate. This should have been sorted before he took the oath but by not doing so, he has potentially turned this into a criminal case against himself (he took an oath to uphold the Constitution, remember?). The longer this goes on, the worse the fallout gets for him (if guilty) and the more of his political capital is sucked away into the vacuum (if innocent).

I'd say that this "birther" issue is currently taking up about 10-20% of the news cycle currently. It is likely to climb the more unpopular he gets to the point a court orders a subpoena for the birth certificate. Once it goes that far, he could be impeached for lack of willingness to prove his Presidency is Constitutional (public officials can be impeached for any and everything). The longer this drags on, the harder it is to stop/reverse. 10 years from now, if nothing changes, I would not be surprised if the history books write about the possibility that he was the first, and only illegitimate president. What the history books say is what the world remembers. Is that really a legacy he wants?

It is more important to me that we have people in office that uphold the Constitution above anything else. Failure to do that spells disaster for this country.

Another example: Remember how Kerry's 2004 campaign got killed by the Swift Vets? Kerry's campaign though that if they kept silent, it would eventually go away. The exact opposite proved true: Kerry lost in large part because of the Swift Vets. When Kerry finally came out and said those claims weren't true, people believed the Swift Vets and not Kerry. Ignoring the Swift Vet claims lead to a political suicide.

Obama needs to confront the issue, front and center. There is no other way. Don't let the press do it for you because don't believe, for one second, they are on your (the President's) side. They go where the story is and the story is the "birthers," not Obama.

Edit: I should also note that even if Obama's Presidency is proven illegitimate, I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic House and Senate rush a bill through Congress that strikes "natural born citizen" from the Constitution thereby making it "legitimate." I wouldn't like that because that is a prime example of making the law suit your needs but I also think that law has got to go as most Americans are the sons and daughters (distant relatives, at least) of immigrants. Beyond a criminal record, the legitimacy of a candidate should be determined by the voters.

In recent news (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/29/north.carolina.terrorism.charges/index.html), there's "natural born citizens" of the USA becoming terrorists, killing and being killed outside of the USA. Where you are born should not qualify you, or disqualify you from running for public office. There's good and bad nuts in every demographic.

This issue is not new. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States#Presiden tial_candidates_whose_eligibility_was_questioned)

SK-1

07-30-2009, 10:10 PM

No other president's citizenship has been questioned.

:p:p:p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States#Presiden tial_candidates_whose_eligibility_was_questioned
Thanks for the link Ford. I never would have imagined so many were questioned. Obama supporters think the Right is just making this shit up and just giving Obama a hard time. You've proved them wrong again.