As ice cap melts, militaries vie for Arctic edge

entropy13 · 04-16-2012, 01:01 PM

YOKOSUKA, Japan (AP) — To the world's military leaders, the debate over climate change is long over. They are preparing for a new kind of Cold War in the Arctic, anticipating that rising temperatures there will open up a treasure trove of resources, long-dreamed-of sea lanes and a slew of potential conflicts.

By Arctic standards, the region is already buzzing with military activity, and experts believe that will increase significantly in the years ahead.

Last month, Norway wrapped up one of the largest Arctic maneuvers ever — Exercise Cold Response — with 16,300 troops from 14 countries training on the ice for everything from high intensity warfare to terror threats. Attesting to the harsh conditions, five Norwegian troops were killed when their C-130 Hercules aircraft crashed near the summit of Kebnekaise, Sweden's highest mountain.

The U.S., Canada and Denmark held major exercises two months ago, and in an unprecedented move, the military chiefs of the eight main Arctic powers — Canada, the U.S., Russia, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland — gathered at a Canadian military base last week to specifically discuss regional security issues.

None of this means a shooting war is likely at the North Pole any time soon. But as the number of workers and ships increases in the High North to exploit oil and gas reserves, so will the need for policing, border patrols and — if push comes to shove — military muscle to enforce rival claims.

Full article here.

theJesus · 04-16-2012, 01:05 PM

They're gonna raid Santa's workshop.

FordGT90Concept · 04-16-2012, 01:12 PM

This is been in the making for at least a decade now. Russia wants claims to go from how far east/west your country borders are up to the north pole because that would make Russia the largest shareholder in the arctic. Everyone else obviously opposes.

Hopefully, the same international laws will apply up there as they do in the rest of the oceans. That is, "ownership" only extends about 12 nautical miles out to sea--all resources beyond that are interational.

It'll be interesting what happens as the ice thaws.

Frick · 04-16-2012, 01:40 PM

Sweeedish power!!1!!!!

de.das.dude · 04-16-2012, 01:58 PM

they arent preparing for a resource fight. they are preparing for sustaining human life there when the equatorial and temperate zones will become uninhabitable.

its 7.30pm and its still 35C in my room. the end is near

m1dg3t · 04-16-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Hopefully, the same international laws will apply up there as they do in the rest of the oceans. That is, "ownership" only extends about 12 nautical miles out to sea--all resources beyond that are interational.

You're joking right? Everyone know's the US is already laying the groundwork to claim ALL of it for themselve's.

theJesus · 04-16-2012, 02:55 PM

I'm tellin' y'all, they're goin' after Santa.

FordGT90Concept · 04-17-2012, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m1dg3t

You're joking right? Everyone know's the US is already laying the groundwork to claim ALL of it for themselve's.

As is Russia. Both will fail or there will be war.

entropy13 · 04-17-2012, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

As is Russia. Both will fail or there will be war.

At least they're not as bad as China, who's claiming our islands that are at least 400 miles away from their nearest coastal area, but are not claiming our islands that are actually nearer to the Chinese coast than they are to our capital.

FordGT90Concept · 04-17-2012, 06:33 AM

Yeah, Russia has backed off from imperalism. China is growing more and more imperialist and it is very concerning. I don't think China has a dog to fight in the arctic but they're obviously trying in Indonesia.

hellrazor · 04-17-2012, 08:37 PM

Ice caps melt, military ensues.

WhiteLotus · 04-17-2012, 09:04 PM

I don't see how US has ANY claim over the Arctic. At all. None.

They aren't even close to it!

FordGT90Concept · 04-17-2012, 09:30 PM

Alaska and world's largest navy.

theJesus · 04-17-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Alaska and world's largest navy.

Plus, we're the fucking USA. Don't like it? Tough shit, we'll just liberate you.

ninkobei · 04-19-2012, 03:08 PM

Cool after all these years America will get a 51st state. Some thought it would be Puerto Rico or Mexico. Man were they wrong.

FordGT90Concept · 04-19-2012, 03:56 PM

Again, even if Peurto Rico approves of statehood, Congress likely won't.

Mexico went from civilized to lawless. If USA annexed Mexico, think Iraq and Afghanistan 100 times more expensive and 10 times longer. USA would be dragged down the shitter so fast, it'd turn into Russia.

Screaming Beaver · 04-19-2012, 05:46 PM

we got our own shit to fix, no need to be trying to fix other peoples

theJesus · 04-19-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming Beaver

we got our own shit to fix, no need to be trying to fix other peoples

That's always been my opinion as well.

erocker · 04-19-2012, 09:41 PM

Meh, I'm just waiting for that beach front property to come to me.

DannibusX · 04-19-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

I don't see how US has ANY claim over the Arctic. At all. None.

They aren't even close to it!

Almost 1/3 of US landmass is adjacent to the arctic. Just sayin'.

Hate_Camel · 04-19-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming Beaver

we got our own shit to fix, no need to be trying to fix other peoples

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJesus

That's always been my opinion as well.

Mine is that we should fix shit, but to set a good example for democracy and actually live up to the phrase "land of the free" and other nations will follow suit (hopefully)

Currently we're the laughing-stock of the western world.

DannibusX · 04-19-2012, 10:22 PM

I'm of the opinion that the US military should be the worlds largest and most badass mercenary force. We blow some shit up and leave the losers to rebuild.

erocker · 04-19-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannibusX

I'm of the opinion that the US military should be the worlds largest and most badass mercenary force. We blow some shit up and leave the losers to rebuild.

We're kinda both.

DaMulta · 04-20-2012, 05:10 AM

I could really use some fucking ice in my Coke.....Really it's starting too get that nasty hot taste.....

NOW WHAT!!! GOD ALL THIS FUCKING TALK ABOUT ICE AND I"M OUT OF FUCKING ICE.

YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK UP AND ALL YOUR FUCKING ICE TALK I HATE YOU!

Screaming Beaver · 04-20-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odameyer

Mine is that we should fix shit, but to set a good example for democracy and actually live up to the phrase "land of the free" and other nations will follow suit (hopefully)

Currently we're the laughing-stock of the western world.

It would help if we got our own house in order before trying to order other people around. That could go a long way to our credibility.

04-16-2012, 01:01 PM	#1
entropy13 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 4,444 Thanks: 79 Thanked 4,445 Times in 1,488 Posts Dislikes: 21 Disliked 171 Times in 144 Posts	As ice cap melts, militaries vie for Arctic edge YOKOSUKA, Japan (AP) — To the world's military leaders, the debate over climate change is long over. They are preparing for a new kind of Cold War in the Arctic, anticipating that rising temperatures there will open up a treasure trove of resources, long-dreamed-of sea lanes and a slew of potential conflicts. By Arctic standards, the region is already buzzing with military activity, and experts believe that will increase significantly in the years ahead. Last month, Norway wrapped up one of the largest Arctic maneuvers ever — Exercise Cold Response — with 16,300 troops from 14 countries training on the ice for everything from high intensity warfare to terror threats. Attesting to the harsh conditions, five Norwegian troops were killed when their C-130 Hercules aircraft crashed near the summit of Kebnekaise, Sweden's highest mountain. The U.S., Canada and Denmark held major exercises two months ago, and in an unprecedented move, the military chiefs of the eight main Arctic powers — Canada, the U.S., Russia, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland — gathered at a Canadian military base last week to specifically discuss regional security issues. None of this means a shooting war is likely at the North Pole any time soon. But as the number of workers and ships increases in the High North to exploit oil and gas reserves, so will the need for policing, border patrols and — if push comes to shove — military muscle to enforce rival claims. Full article here. __________________ "Sir, we're surrounded!" "Good! We can attack in any direction!" ------- "Io credo ch'ei credette ch'io credesse." - "I think perhaps he thought that I was thinking." ------- "I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure."

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FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 18,438 Thanks: 5,021 Thanked 4,977 Times in 3,394 Posts Dislikes: 133 Disliked 139 Times in 129 Posts	This is been in the making for at least a decade now. Russia wants claims to go from how far east/west your country borders are up to the north pole because that would make Russia the largest shareholder in the arctic. Everyone else obviously opposes. Hopefully, the same international laws will apply up there as they do in the rest of the oceans. That is, "ownership" only extends about 12 nautical miles out to sea--all resources beyond that are interational. It'll be interesting what happens as the ice thaws. __________________ Doc, note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod. . --Professor Peter Hilton

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de.das.dude Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Wild Wild West Posts: 8,535 Thanks: 3,338 Thanked 77 Times in 54 Posts Dislikes: 256 Disliked 740 Times in 518 Posts	they arent preparing for a resource fight. they are preparing for sustaining human life there when the equatorial and temperate zones will become uninhabitable. its 7.30pm and its still 35C in my room. the end is near

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FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 18,438 Thanks: 5,021 Thanked 4,977 Times in 3,394 Posts Dislikes: 133 Disliked 139 Times in 129 Posts	Yeah, Russia has backed off from imperalism. China is growing more and more imperialist and it is very concerning. I don't think China has a dog to fight in the arctic but they're obviously trying in Indonesia. __________________ Doc, note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod. . --Professor Peter Hilton

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WhiteLotus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,640 Thanks: 418 Thanked 1,655 Times in 1,020 Posts Dislikes: 27 Disliked 46 Times in 40 Posts	I don't see how US has ANY claim over the Arctic. At all. None. They aren't even close to it!

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FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 18,438 Thanks: 5,021 Thanked 4,977 Times in 3,394 Posts Dislikes: 133 Disliked 139 Times in 129 Posts	Alaska and world's largest navy. __________________ Doc, note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod. . --Professor Peter Hilton

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ninkobei Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 518 Thanks: 97 Thanked 298 Times in 138 Posts Dislikes: 5 Disliked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Cool after all these years America will get a 51st state. Some thought it would be Puerto Rico or Mexico. Man were they wrong.

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FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 18,438 Thanks: 5,021 Thanked 4,977 Times in 3,394 Posts Dislikes: 133 Disliked 139 Times in 129 Posts	Again, even if Peurto Rico approves of statehood, Congress likely won't. Mexico went from civilized to lawless. If USA annexed Mexico, think Iraq and Afghanistan 100 times more expensive and 10 times longer. USA would be dragged down the shitter so fast, it'd turn into Russia. __________________ Doc, note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod. . --Professor Peter Hilton

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erocker Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,762 Thanks: 1,015 Thanked 4,209 Times in 1,992 Posts Dislikes: 94 Disliked 46 Times in 40 Posts	Meh, I'm just waiting for that beach front property to come to me.

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DannibusX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,045 Thanks: 478 Thanked 1,787 Times in 912 Posts Dislikes: 19 Disliked 31 Times in 25 Posts	I'm of the opinion that the US military should be the worlds largest and most badass mercenary force. We blow some shit up and leave the losers to rebuild.

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