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Old 04-16-2012, 01:01 PM   #1
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As ice cap melts, militaries vie for Arctic edge

YOKOSUKA, Japan (AP) — To the world's military leaders, the debate over climate change is long over. They are preparing for a new kind of Cold War in the Arctic, anticipating that rising temperatures there will open up a treasure trove of resources, long-dreamed-of sea lanes and a slew of potential conflicts.

By Arctic standards, the region is already buzzing with military activity, and experts believe that will increase significantly in the years ahead.

Last month, Norway wrapped up one of the largest Arctic maneuvers ever — Exercise Cold Response — with 16,300 troops from 14 countries training on the ice for everything from high intensity warfare to terror threats. Attesting to the harsh conditions, five Norwegian troops were killed when their C-130 Hercules aircraft crashed near the summit of Kebnekaise, Sweden's highest mountain.

The U.S., Canada and Denmark held major exercises two months ago, and in an unprecedented move, the military chiefs of the eight main Arctic powers — Canada, the U.S., Russia, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland — gathered at a Canadian military base last week to specifically discuss regional security issues.

None of this means a shooting war is likely at the North Pole any time soon. But as the number of workers and ships increases in the High North to exploit oil and gas reserves, so will the need for policing, border patrols and — if push comes to shove — military muscle to enforce rival claims.


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This is been in the making for at least a decade now. Russia wants claims to go from how far east/west your country borders are up to the north pole because that would make Russia the largest shareholder in the arctic. Everyone else obviously opposes.

Hopefully, the same international laws will apply up there as they do in the rest of the oceans. That is, "ownership" only extends about 12 nautical miles out to sea--all resources beyond that are interational.

It'll be interesting what happens as the ice thaws.
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they arent preparing for a resource fight. they are preparing for sustaining human life there when the equatorial and temperate zones will become uninhabitable.

its 7.30pm and its still 35C in my room. the end is near
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Hopefully, the same international laws will apply up there as they do in the rest of the oceans. That is, "ownership" only extends about 12 nautical miles out to sea--all resources beyond that are interational.
You're joking right? Everyone know's the US is already laying the groundwork to claim ALL of it for themselve's.
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You're joking right? Everyone know's the US is already laying the groundwork to claim ALL of it for themselve's.
As is Russia. Both will fail or there will be war.
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As is Russia. Both will fail or there will be war.
At least they're not as bad as China, who's claiming our islands that are at least 400 miles away from their nearest coastal area, but are not claiming our islands that are actually nearer to the Chinese coast than they are to our capital.
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Yeah, Russia has backed off from imperalism. China is growing more and more imperialist and it is very concerning. I don't think China has a dog to fight in the arctic but they're obviously trying in Indonesia.
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Ice caps melt, military ensues.
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I don't see how US has ANY claim over the Arctic. At all. None.

They aren't even close to it!
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Alaska and world's largest navy.
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Alaska and world's largest navy.
Plus, we're the fucking USA. Don't like it? Tough shit, we'll just liberate you.
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Cool after all these years America will get a 51st state. Some thought it would be Puerto Rico or Mexico. Man were they wrong.
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Again, even if Peurto Rico approves of statehood, Congress likely won't.


Mexico went from civilized to lawless. If USA annexed Mexico, think Iraq and Afghanistan 100 times more expensive and 10 times longer. USA would be dragged down the shitter so fast, it'd turn into Russia.
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we got our own shit to fix, no need to be trying to fix other peoples
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That's always been my opinion as well.
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I don't see how US has ANY claim over the Arctic. At all. None.

They aren't even close to it!
Almost 1/3 of US landmass is adjacent to the arctic. Just sayin'.
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That's always been my opinion as well.
Mine is that we should fix shit, but to set a good example for democracy and actually live up to the phrase "land of the free" and other nations will follow suit (hopefully)

Currently we're the laughing-stock of the western world.
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I'm of the opinion that the US military should be the worlds largest and most badass mercenary force. We blow some shit up and leave the losers to rebuild.
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I'm of the opinion that the US military should be the worlds largest and most badass mercenary force. We blow some shit up and leave the losers to rebuild.
We're kinda both.
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I could really use some fucking ice in my Coke.....Really it's starting too get that nasty hot taste.....

NOW WHAT!!! GOD ALL THIS FUCKING TALK ABOUT ICE AND I"M OUT OF FUCKING ICE.

YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK UP AND ALL YOUR FUCKING ICE TALK I HATE YOU!
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Mine is that we should fix shit, but to set a good example for democracy and actually live up to the phrase "land of the free" and other nations will follow suit (hopefully)

Currently we're the laughing-stock of the western world.
It would help if we got our own house in order before trying to order other people around. That could go a long way to our credibility.
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