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Old 05-04-2012, 12:13 AM   #76
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If it doesn't have a permanent change on my psyche then it ain't doin anything useful.
Learning good coping skills and shit will be easier if you don't feel like shit all the time imo.
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Which part do you think I'm trolling? Because I'm not
you have an unbelievably narrow-minded view of psychotropics
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1. trying to discriminate between "natural" drugs and "artificial" drugs is at best naive. Most pharmaceuticals are derived from naturally occurring compounds. Aspirin came from willow bark. Digoxin came from foxglove. Even Risperadal (an anti psychotic) is related to a compound that was isolated from rauwolfia.

2. there are 2 kinds of psych problems - the kinds you can fix with reprogramming and the kind you can't. You can't fix schizophrenia by talking to a therapist. Same with clinical depression and TRUE obsessive compulsive disorder. These are "wiring" issues in the brain. If you have a hardware issue, you don't call a priest, you call a tech. If you have a neurochemical imbalance, you try to fix the imbalance.

3. psychotropics are imperfect to be sure and under the 2 categories in #2, there are many situations that fall somewhere in between. For example people with OCD CAN reprogram themselves to some extent. I did it. But it takes ***YEARS*** of constant and persistent effort and the results will never be perfect or complete.

4. Current psychotropics mostly work by stimulating or blocking receptor sites. These are little docking sites like i/o ports on your neurons. The problem is that's not how your body works. It works with feedback loops. It has loop upon loop upon loop . . . . It is infinitely complex and exquisitely refined. Psychotropics are therefore little more than a blunt instrument. However as the old saying goes, the dose makes the poison. In the right dose, for right set of symptoms, they can be a life saver - literally - I know a couple of dozen people who will gladly testify to that fact.

Note: Newer drugs will be of the allosteric class. These won't plug directly into your neuron's USB ports, but will hang off the side and monitor the port's activity. They will then ramp the activity of the receptor up or down as circumstances demand. This new class of drugs will be much more refined and will have a much better side effect profile.
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Note: Newer drugs will be of the allosteric class. These won't plug directly into your neuron's USB ports, but will hang off the side and monitor the port's activity. They will then ramp the activity of the receptor up or down as circumstances demand. This new class of drugs will be much more refined and will have a much better side effect profile.
And they'll probably cost a fortune, not have generics available for a while, and not be covered by my current insurance
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Hopefully I don't have clinical depression, that would be discouraging. I believe it's plausible at this point.
Have you ever really been happy? No? Then there's a good chance your depression is caused by a chemical imbalance.
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Mescaline, Psilocybin, Ayahuasca. Stuff that's been around for quite awhile that you can be sure that's not going to rape you or cause a dependancy.

As an example it's unbelievable that doctors (used to?) prescribe xanax for anxiety.
Benzodiazepine can cause other shit to go wrong PHYSICALLY


Hopefully I don't have clinical depression, that would be discouraging. I believe it's plausible at this point.

You know people that have been permanently changed for the better by pharma drugs? Do tell
You completely missed the point. You're trying to make a sharp distinction where none exists. In both cases you're talking about psychoactive chemicals. Right? Or did I miss something?

Your only argument in favor of ethnogens is a longer beta test period, or more accurately, longer Phase III "clinical" trials. But we're hardly talking "clinical" trials. At best all you have to go on is anecdotal evidence and maybe a handful of journal articles based on extremely small samples of patients and/or healthy volunteers. Real drug trials involve hundreds if not thousands of subjects and covers not only safety and efficacy but also drug interactions, affect on people with certain diseases plus a whole host of other factors that your average shaman can't even fathom.

As for permanent changes, again, that wasn't my point. I said they could be a life saver. I know many people whose lives have been saved by antidepressants, antipsychotics and other psychotropics. I'm probably one of them.
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Have you ever really been happy? No? Then there's a good chance your depression is caused by a chemical imbalance.
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Oh, another thing I just remembered. How old are you again? I think depression is very common amongst teens, ie: "adolescent depression".
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That is another good theory

I *think* I'm capable of it and start to experience normality when I'm away but I won't really know for sure until I'm completely on my own away from the vampires and don't have to hide my personality or anything.

That's the one thing that I don't really have full control over at this point and it sure is a biggun that's probably the biggest burden ever.
I've always known what caused me to feel a certain way. There was never any mystery about it. But then I've never had any choice but to be acutely aware of my internal states, so that's probably just me.
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Oh, another thing I just remembered. How old are you again? I think depression is very common amongst teens, ie: "adolescent depression".
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I hope you're able to get in touch with that doc and work things out. Don't kill yourself, k?
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Oda haven't been around much and haven't read every GD post so just gonna ask; have you managed to find some decent/good help?
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Don't they offer you any assistance if you tell them you are gonna hurt someone or yourself? That's what i told my family Doc few year's back when i did my thing, said "I'm seriously going to hurt someone or hurt myself. I need help" within 2 or 3 week's i was evaluated and enrolled in that CBT program that lasted 6Hrs/day for 18 week's IIRC. They can't deny you healthcare can they? I mean if you were cut & bleeding needing stitches they would leave you to bleed out?
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hehe, "CBT"
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Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
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The other CBT is probably a lot more affordable.
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Yeah but not for free.

What is that?

Yeah they'll give you care, then charge you for it and then you're in debt for thousands of dollars.
As an example my aunt had to pay about $6,000 when my uncle shot himself in the head and they flew him by helicopter to the hospital.

Oh I'm just so thankful that I was born in this great nation!

All I want is a few therapy sessions to find out what is going on in my head.
That's bullshit! They should provide people with some type of "basic" mental health care as a minimum. Fucking privatized healthcare

CBT = We covered this a couple week's back lol

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Depends, how much do you value your bag?
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I'm too damn busy to thoroughly reply to this post, but I'd like to make a couple of important points.

First, suicide kills a part of anyone who cares about you. It's selfish, and cowardly. My best friend took his life when he was 21. It still eats me up 19 years later. Our entire group of friends fell apart, and many of them are still in therapy over the night that Greg took his own life. His mother still cries herself to sleep. Life can and will get better. Get help and do not give up.

If you have any kind of chemical imbalance, a mix of the right meds and the RIGHT therapist will give you hope, and the ability to feel better. I'm a Master's level clinician, and I can tell you that a vast majority of those with a depressive disorder who commit to medications and therapy will at least get to the point of managing their symptoms well enough to function normally and enjoy life to a reasonable extent.

There are free and reduced cost "indigent" programs for medications and many psychologist and Master's level clinicians will offer a sliding fee scale. I know my wife, who is a psychologist with her own practice, has several clients that she sees for as little as $25 per session. She just puts a cap on the number of reduced fee clients that she sees. If you'd like info on the free medication programs, send me a PM and I'll get the info to you.

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CBT = We covered this a couple week's back lol



Depends, how much do you value your bag?
Nothing wrong with privatized health care, though people who need health care should get it publically. That's kind of the way it works. I say kind of, because it's different from state to state. Something like 40% of people in this country are on public health care already.
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I has a sad, I think I need to find a family and a place to belong or something.


So the grief never really does get better does it? Just becomes more distanced in time? That's what it seems like so far.

Are you talking about correcting the problem or taking drugs forever? The latter I will not do.


EDIT: Havin weird flashbacks to early childhood, going to bed.
In my personal and professional experience, time dulls the pain for a suicide survivor, but it never goes away.

As far as medications are concerned, it depends. It may be something temporary if you learn good coping and behavior mod skills to keep yourself in a relative happy place, but it will take a ton of work to be reliant on coping and behavior change, especially if any of the depression or suididal ideation is from a chemical imbalance. I'm afraid that if it is mostly a chemical issue than long term medication might be needed. What's your resistance to meds IF you really need them? Is it just the concept and perception of taking meds or is it concerns about side affects? Both? In my view, quality of life means everything. If meds improve your quality of life then any perceptions you may have are simply trivial, and you should get over yourself. If it's side affects, maybe you should see if you experience any major side affects before worrying about it.
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Ehh, I had 4 paragraphs typed and decided not to post it. A "brain dump" as twilyth once called it.
I'm glad I didn't post it.

Dammit

Okay, I can see that. A change of perspective could be good.

Side effects but It's mostly my pride or "morals" as JC316 called it.
Kind of hard to be proud if you don't leave your house, or stay curled up in a ball because you feel so sad, isn't it? Focus on being proud of yourself for the things that you accomplish in your life because you did whatever it took to feel better, even if that includes long term meds.
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Now if only I had any sort of solid idea as to what I'm interested in
Bah, you don't need one. Colleges offer tons of different classes. Just look them through and pick the ones you find interesting. Once you're into it and the ball is rolling you'll settle on one or two things that you like. Believe me, I hated school and was pretty bad at it. I got through college though, and I loved every minute of it. Plus, college girls love teh sex. I used that as motiviation during my darker times.
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Had a realization and narrowed it down to assburgers or something along those lines.

What seem like subtle nuances to me are actually major events and that's why long term relationships are impossible, lol.

I know where it came from and how it could have started but not necessarily how to start doing damage control.

Pharma drugs were sure as fuck not the answer and I was correct on that front that they are horrible. Still having seizure like brain zaps and I haven't taken the shit in forever now.
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