Windows Phone 8

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Pretty much the only optional feature are a front-facing 1.3 MP camera.

Dual core and tegra GPU are somewhat nice. Being able to dock into a "netbook" is nice as well. HDMI out is pretty cool. Bluetooth sync for keyboads/mice is usefull.



Well shit that describes those damn android based devices.

[FordGT90Concept]

Windows Phone 7.5 does not support multi-core and none use Tegra chips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Phone_devices

I spot checked a few and all I see is Qualcomm Adreno 205 GPUs.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Windows Phone 7.5 does not support multi-core and none use Tegra chips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Phone_devices

I spot checked a few and all I see is Adreno 205 GPUs.

Another con on the list.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Windows Phone 7.5 does not support multi-core and none use Tegra chips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Phone_devices

I spot checked a few and all I see is Adreno 205 GPUs.

So what you are saying is windows phones can't do something that a year old android phone does. Well that's fucking progress.

[FordGT90Concept]

If you read the op, you'd see multi-processor support is coming in Windows Phone 8.


Single-core means better battery life and as I said previously, I've never encountered a situation where it was slow. I don't think it would benefit much, if at all, from a dual-core processor.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

If you read the op, you'd see multi-processor support is coming in Windows Phone 8.


Single-core means better battery life and as I said previously, I've never encountered a situation where it was slow. I don't think it would benefit much, if at all, from a dual-core processor.

False. The new dual core phones have better battery life than the single cores when all else is equal. The singles are older tech.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

If you read the op, you'd see multi-processor support is coming in Windows Phone 8.


Single-core means better battery life and as I said previously, I've never encountered a situation where it was slow. I don't think it would benefit much, if at all, from a dual-core processor.

Yup people get terrible battery life out of the dual core androids...oh wait no they don't. If you would have read my posts I believe you will notice.

Originally Posted by cdawall

Good to see Microsoft taking the same standpoint as Apple release 4 year old products at today's prices with today's hype.

Yup going to go ahead and stand by that.

[FordGT90Concept]

45nm single core vs 40nm dual core = 45nm single wins in terms of battery life.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

45nm single core vs 40nm dual core = 45nm single win

Really because that works so well in real pc world too. 90nm single cores drew as much and often more than 65nm dual cores. Wattage ratings between the new duals and old singles in negligable for phones. They all fit into the same thermal envelope hence onsumptions is similar.

[FordGT90Concept]

I can't find any scientifically measured power consumption figures on either so there is no conclusive means to end that debate.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

45nm single core vs 40nm dual core = 45nm single wins in terms of battery life.

Nope. The duals have better power saving modes built in. The duals win. Look it up for yourself. Battery life is better on average on the dual core phones.

[FordGT90Concept]

Link me. Keep in mind we're talking about power consumption so take into account the mAh capacity of the batteries. For example, the Droid RAZR MAXX is going to have ridiculously long battery life because it has a 3300 mAh battery. Most phones are between 1500 and 1800.


I searched and I can't find anything. How long batteries last is very dependent upon how it is used. And I mean real-world use, not manufacturer listed.

[Wile E]

Hit xda forums and places like that for real world reviews by users and devs. Those reviews are what made me pay extra for tegra2. There's no way I'm digging that far back myself. Lol.

Mine is only 1800, btw.

[FordGT90Concept]

I know my dad's Lumia 900 lasts more than 2 days between charges. It has a BP-6EW 1830mAh battery. The LG Quantum (1500 some mAh) never lasted more than a day.

Both cases includes lots of roaming, playing simple games, and some light 3G/4G (Lumia 900 only)/WLAN use.


Edit: ooo, and I finally happened upon a site that reviews battery life:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-lumia...esults-inside/

And...surprise surprise, the device in second place on all charts (1500-1700 mAh) use Qualcomm Snapdragon w/ Adreno 205 GPU.

I know the Samsung Captivate Glide has a Tegra 2 chip. It lands in the middle on all the tests.


Mind you, I know the Tegra 2 is faster on the GPU end but CPU wise, they're all pretty much the same (ARMv7). HTC Radar has a 45nm Snapdragon. Samsung Captivate Glide has a 40nm Tegra 2.

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I know my dad's Lumia 900 lasts more than 2 days between charges. It has a BP-6EW 1830mAh battery. The LG Quantum (1500 some mAh) never lasted more than a day.

"my Droid Razr doesn't last as long as my Droid Razr Maxx, why is that?" seriously?

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Edit: ooo, and I finally happened upon a site that reviews battery life:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-lumia...esults-inside/

And...surprise surprise, the device in second place on all charts (1500-1700 mAh) use Qualcomm Snapdragon w/ Adreno 205 GPU..

samsung galaxy note has several versions, the orginal shipped with a dual core arm processer clocked at 1.4GHZ. subsequent cheaper versions swapped to a 1.5GHZ qualcomm. The reviews doesn't specify which (or testing procedures, or anything really)

also the HTC One s is a dual core and is 4th in talk time and 3rd in video playback. (odd they didn't include gaming)

single cores do seem to have an edge in web browsing, however, that's just one category out of several. Not to mention why test the droid razr maxx and not the droid razr? it would make a good baseline to show how much battery size matters vs phone specs.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by yogurt_21

also the HTC One s is a dual core and is 4th in talk time and 3rd in video playback. (odd they didn't include gaming)

A Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8260A which is manufacturered on 28 nm proces.

My point was Tegra 2 isn't all that great in terms of battery life. A lot of Qualcomm Snapdragon 45nm chips beat it.


Windows Phone 7 clearly still has some room to improve battery efficency though.

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

A Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8260A which is manufacturered on 28 nm proces.

My point was Tegra 2 isn't all that great in terms of battery life. A lot of Qualcomm Snapdragon 45nm chips beat it.

an nvidia solution draws more power than the competition? My GTX 480's are shocked.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

A Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8260A which is manufacturered on 28 nm proces.

My point was Tegra 2 isn't all that great in terms of battery life. A lot of Qualcomm Snapdragon 45nm chips beat it.


Windows Phone 7 clearly still has some room to improve battery efficency though.

Weird windows 7 has a lot of room to improve vs OSX. Maybe its because windows couldn't program a toaster oven to be efficient.

[FordGT90Concept]

Huh? Last time I checked, the only reason why Mac OS X sells is because Apple made it. That's off topic.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Huh? Last time I checked, the only reason why Mac OS X sales is because Apple made it. That's off topic.

Take a macbook pro install OSX and Windows 7 on it. One gets 7hrs of battery life one gets 3. Guess which one is which. All windows based OS's have been known since the dawn of windows to include bloat. Windows [insert bullshit version here] will be the exact same thing on a phone. Until they come out with a server OS version for my phone they can keep that shit. The only reason windows PC's out sell linux/mac is purely support. When you can get a free open source OS like linux out to the masses in any form I say score one for the little guy. That is exactly what Android is. If you want another windows 2000 or vista be my guest vote that android dies, but if you want to see microshit actually try keep buying android products eventually they will get the hint that in all reality Microsoft tablet and phone is a fucking dud and needs a complete revamp from the ground up including the base code.

[FordGT90Concept]

Because Macbook Pro's hardware is designed for Mac OS X. Specifically, the ability to turn off the GPU and run off IGP. There isn't enough coherance between Microsoft, Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA for that to happen on Windows (at least not on a lot of laptops).

Windows itself has virtually zero "bloat," the EU's lawsuit reduced what little was there even lower. You can opt-out of installing almost all of it during the installation process. Mac OS X is bursting from the seams with bloat (Apple Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSync, iChat, iTunes, Mac App Store, FaceTime, Safari, Time Machine, and Photo Booth--to name a few).

Someone coming from iPhone to Windows Phone commented on bloat specifically:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphon...-fan-mail.aspx

3. No junk software. Speaking of science experiments, I also tried a Motorola Razr. Software that cannot be deleted and restarts itself? A company with questionable privacy rules. Software that terrified my poor in-laws? I guess if you like spending your day tinkering with your phone, it’s pretty cool. Maybe it beats playing with your Star Wars dolls?

I can attest to that. There is virtually nothing on there that isn't useful. AT&T, LG, Nokia, etc. may throw a few apps on there but it's far fewer and far more useful than the dozens of programs Dell, HP, Acer, Asus, etc. throw on their desktops and laptops.


And why do you think Windows has more support? Standards, that's why. DirectX, Windows Installer, where short cuts go, where applications go, where data goes, system-wide registry unifying data access, a simple yet effective driver layer, etc. Linux is proof that open source, without some unifying force (like Mozilla behind FireFox, StarOffice behind OpenOffice, Novell behind Mono), flounders.

I never said Android is going to die. I think their market share will diminish. If anything gets pushed out of the market, it will be the iPhone for the same stubborness that nearly killed Apple in the 1990s. Microsoft can readily take Apple users (they're looking for the same thing) if they manage to dispel their fanatacism (easier said than done, but not impossible) and features that lock users into their devices (like protected AAC music that only works on iTunes).

Android has a multi-billion dollar corporation behind it, Google. Google makes their money off of ads inside of programs as well as using the information you carry in your pocket to target said ads at you. I have yet to see an ad on Windows Phone that wasn't in its browser. When's the last time you've see an ad built into Windows?

Windows Phone is positioned to be a dominent force for the same reasons why Windows has. Remember, Windows (1985) came after Macintosh (1984)--look which one took the market by storm over time. History repeats.

It's pretty clear you haven't used Windows Phone 7 nor Windows 8 on a tablet. Everything they both do, they do exceptionally well. Windows 7 on a tablet is a bad idea--not designed for touch interfaces (where Metro is so important).

[Wile E]

You can run IGP in Windows on the mac too. You clearly have no experience with them. Yes, OS X comes with a lot of bundled software. But that software doesn't run unless you open it. It is just hard drive bloat, not bloat that takes up cpu cycles.

And to make another point, desktop Windows and Windows phone are both run very differently.

Windows Phone is taking the same approach as Apple. Locking us in to what they want us to have. Whereas Win on the desktop is a more open platform.

Windows Phone is only poised to be another footnote in history. If there is anything the past few years have taught us, it's that MS has no idea what the majority want in mobile devices. I think Zune and earlier versions of Win Phone point that out pretty well.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Wile E

You can run IGP in Windows on the mac too. You clearly have no experience with them. Yes, OS X comes with a lot of bundled software. But that software doesn't run unless you open it. It is just hard drive bloat, not bloat that takes up cpu cycles.

Of course you can but what makes Mac efficient is it switches between them depending on load. Windows 7 doesn't have power saving features that turn off unused GPUs. The GPU itself is intended to do that.

Virtually nothing runs on stock Windows unless you open it as well. The stuff that does run (services) often run in the background to control printers, communications, hardware, installing, security, etc.

Originally Posted by Wile E

And to make another point, desktop Windows and Windows phone are both run very differently.

Not in Windows 8 they won't.

Originally Posted by Wile E

Windows Phone is taking the same approach as Apple. Locking us in to what they want us to have. Whereas Win on the desktop is a more open platform.

There's still more choices for Windows hardware than Apple hardware.

[Wile E]

Yeah, but still little choices in terms of software and configuration.

[remixedcat]

You can legally run windows on mac* but can't run mac on pc hardware.

*boot camp and vmware fusion.... vmware fusion can even use bootcamp partitions!