2012 USA Republican Presidential Primaries

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by Screaming Beaver

Mitt Romney should represent everything Paul despises in the modern Republican party, running against him to get his own libertarian message out would make sense. It depends on if he was serious when he said he had no plans to run as 3rd party candidate and will accept merely a spot at convention. It his party snubs him perhaps it will drive him to independent run himself. I think an embarrassing (in the minds of GOP anyway) speech by Paul would be worth it if it pacifies him and keeps him from potentially taking votes away from Romney.

I didn't know he'd said that. I thought he'd always been coy on that issue. Anyone else I wouldn't believe, but I'm inclined to take the man at his word.

[Screaming Beaver]

Originally Posted by twilyth

I didn't know he'd said that. I thought he'd always been coy on that issue. Anyone else I wouldn't believe, but I'm inclined to take the man at his word.

I've seen him say in a couple different interviews that he had no plans to run as 3rd party, no doubt didn't want to distract from his running as a GOP candidate. He even said once that he WOULD NOT run 3rd party but that was early on and since then has left the door open a crack.

Now that I think of it though, in order to be offered a spot to speak at the GOP Convention he'd have to endorse Romney and I'm not sure Paul would be able to stomach that. Perhaps we'll be seeing him run after all....

[twilyth]

I've never seen Paul toeing the Pub line except to the extent it was politically convenient.

Yeah, I know he's a registered Pub. That's not the point.

[FordGT90Concept]

Paul hasn't won a single state yet. In 2008, he won two. He's in even less of a bargaining position today than he was back then.

I don't think the GOP is too concerned about it if he does run as independent. He'll snipe about as many votes away from the GOP as he does from Obama.

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Paul hasn't won a single state yet. In 2008, he won two. He's in even less of a bargaining position today than he was back then.

I don't think the GOP is too concerned about it if he does run as independent. He'll snipe about as many votes away from the GOP as he does from Obama.

he won minnisota and nearly took maine, where are you getting your numbers from?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

[FordGT90Concept]

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/mn

Your link shows similar vote count but way off on delegates:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/pr...ates/minnesota

I'm thinking NYT has the delegate count all wrong. They say there's only 3 superdelegates in Minnesota so that can't explain the huge discrepency.

[Screaming Beaver]

Well I'm sure the GOP will make themselves feel better thinking Paul will swipe some Obama votes as well, have to see who benefits the most, we could use a good spoiler in the race, encourage more 3rd party runs.

*shakes fist at Ross Perot for dropping out and messing up the deal for all*

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/mn

Your link shows similar vote count but way off on delegates:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/pr...ates/minnesota

I'm thinking NYT has the delegate count all wrong. They say there's only 3 superdelegates in Minnesota so that can't explain the huge discrepency.

cnn only lists projected delegate count, not actual this explains why you though American Samoa had no delegates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results...ries#Minnesota

states like minnesota don't work in the normal way, the caucus is long over but most of the delegates only reported this week.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...landslide.html
Now he essentially won that state.



ny times compensated their table after santorum dropped out, cnn didn't, it's paticularly unreliable for primaries, and presidential election news. This is why ny times numbers are more correct than the cnn numbers.

[FordGT90Concept]

Ah, so the convention was held a week or two ago and most went for Paul presumably because Santorum is out and Paul came second state wide. Lucky Paul. XD

I don't think CNN updates it after 100% precincts are reporting. That is to say, they don't report the subsequent conventions, only original caucus/primary. We'll have to check if they update it when closer to the convention.

[Screaming Beaver]

Heading into general election time now, not sure if we should bother making new thread or not....

[FordGT90Concept]

Make it after the conventions. That's when the general election race officially starts.

[Screaming Beaver]

Maybe i'll just spend the time throwing up Toles cartoons, man must be a genius

[FordGT90Concept]

Go for it.

[Screaming Beaver]

Austerity of course for the average people, not the wealthy, corporations or the banks.

[FordGT90Concept]

Ron Paul to end active campaigning

[yogurt_21]

ron paul at end of active campaigning has 1.8 million on hand, newt gingrich at end of active campaigning has 1.8 million deficit. lol

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah, that's ego for you. Gingrich kept spending and spending and spending hoping on a miracle. Ron Paul always runs a conservative campaign. He isn't officially out though.

[Screaming Beaver]

Paul can try I suppose, even if most Americans won't even know he's still officially running.

[FordGT90Concept]

VeepStakes!

I think I spotted and underdog Romney might go with:
Kerry Healy

She was Lt. Gov. when Romney was Governor of Mass.

[Screaming Beaver]

So she's not currently in office? Be a benefit, Romney can't have a governor of a state that is gaining jobs like Bob McDonnell in Virginia, would mess with the message that the economy sucks after all, lol.

I so can't wait until November though, election years suck.

[FordGT90Concept]

1) Romney worked with her before.
2) She's a she--Romney needs to court female voters because Obama is assassulting Republicans in general on that front.
3) She has an innate ability to connect with voters--very likable.
4) She's been vetted by Mass. voters (left leaning).
5) She's currently operating under the RADAR--no one is talking about her being the possible VP pick.
6) She was born and raised middle-class. The GOP intentionally put Healy with Romney to tone down Romney's eliticism. This allowed Romney, probably in a big way, to win Mass.

The only problem with her, same as Lt. Gov, it isn't clear that she is prepared to take the Presidency should Romney be unable to. She was only Lt. Gov., never won Gov.


Yeah, I'm ready for this to be done for another 4 years too.

[entropy13]

I think this is the most appropriate thread...

If Obama does nothing and things get worse in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing nothing, since it made things worse
If Obama does nothing and things stay the same in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing nothing, since it had no effect at all
If Obama does nothing and things get better in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing nothing, since it would have been a quicker recovery had the US "helped" Europe in some way
If Obama does something and things get worse in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing something because he made things worse in Europe
If Obama does something and things stay the same in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing something because it didn't change anything in Europe
If Obama does something and things get better in Europe: Republicans will say that Obama is wrong in doing something because he involved the US in Europe's problems, costing the country in the process


i.e. Whatever happens, it all boils down to "Obama is wrong". LOL

[FordGT90Concept]

This election is not about Europe. The only Americans that care about Europe are investors with holdings over there.

[entropy13]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

This election is not about Europe. The only Americans that care about Europe are investors with holdings over there.

Ford, once again, obviously missing the point. I was talking about Obama, and he's damned if he does (we don't care about Europe!), damned if he doesn't (Obama is indecisive!).

[FordGT90Concept]

...clarify "nothing" and "something" are about.

My point was the last half of those six points is moot. Europe doesn't matter in the context of all the debates happening in the USA.


If I'm understanding you correctly, even "something" and "nothing" is moot as well. No one is ever statisfied in the realm of politics. Party affiliations don't matter.

Case in point: Obamacare. Most on the right hate it. Most on the left (like jmcslob) say it doesn't go far enough (they want single-payer, "universal healthcare", "public option", etc.). The moment it passed and became clear there was no one the left could get the stuff they wanted to, they stopped talking about that and focused on defending Obamacare because it stands on weak ground.