Health Care Ramthroat

[DannibusX]

Ford has repeatedly mentioned that EMTALA was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. It was a part of COBRA '85.

It is very controversial, as it has cost hospitals billions of dollars. All these hospitals have to do is not take any federal dollars to avoid being required to provide care under the law. Too bad nearly every hospital in America takes federal funds.

Personally I think that people should be treated in emergency situations whether they can pay or not. Part of the problem is that the system is abused.

I'm a fan of President Reagan, but there are a few things he did that I don't necessarily like. I was also a President Bush supporter and yet he did a few things I didn't care for.

Most of you people blindly support a single party. When are you all going to wise up and realize these people just want to stay in power are in their positions for their own benefit? There are a few notable exceptions to this rule.

By all appearances, the constitution was set aside a long time ago, beginning with the erosion of states rights by amending the constitution to allow for the direct election of senators and taxation without apportionment.

Getting people dependent on government provided programs and benefits goes a long way to keep these people in power.

Case in point, Charlie Rangel. A tax cheat who has been the target of a few ethics violations got reelected to his office.

It's unbelievable how fucking stupid people are in this day and age.

Go ahead and blame Bush for sending our jobs overseas. Clinton did his damage with free trade agreements which started the process. Reagan started the deficit and grew our debt in leaps and bounds. Bush Sr raised taxes because it was good for the country and got unelected because of it, but throughout it all Congress never really reigned in spending, ever.

Why the fuck are we spending money fighting AIDS in Africa when we have the same problem here? Why the fuck are we giving Pakistan billions a year to be our friends when they were hiding OBL since 2004? Why aren't we exploiting our own oil reserves to reduce or dependence on foreign oil? Why, oh why did the environmentalists block the construction of a solar power plant in Death Valley? Why is the taxpayer giving billions of dollars to solar manufacturers? They obviously can't turn a profit. Why are the taxpayers giving billions of dollars to banks and corporations because they fucked up? Why are the taxpayers paying congressional aides for whatever the hell they do? Why can't Congress write a bill small enough to read the entire thing before voting it into law? Obama's healthcare bill wasn't written by Congress, it was written by a think tank and amended by Congress. These people didn't read it. What if Congress ratified a bill that literally said the constitution was null and void? What about president Obama signing onto ACT, a treaty, without being ratified by Congress because it "didn't change US law." Executive privilege and executive orders being used to cover up shady arms deals and ratify treaties, pass laws and directly effect every man, woman and child in the United States should scare the fucking shit out of you, because it scars the shit out of me.

If it didn't, you're stupid. If you support a single party you're stupid. If you don't vote for what you believe in, you're stupid. If you don't vote, well then, you're an asshole because it's one of the basic freedoms and rights that many people have died for.

[DannibusX]

Correction in the previous post:

President Obama signed onto ACTA.

Pardon the double post, but I'm on my phone and my laptop isn't at the house here. I'll correct it when i can

[Brandenburg]

Originally Posted by DannibusX

Ford has repeatedly mentioned that EMTALA was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. It was a part of COBRA '85.

It is very controversial, as it has cost hospitals billions of dollars. All these hospitals have to do is not take any federal dollars to avoid being required to provide care under the law. Too bad nearly every hospital in America takes federal funds.

Personally I think that people should be treated in emergency situations whether they can pay or not. Part of the problem is that the system is abused.

I'm a fan of President Reagan, but there are a few things he did that I don't necessarily like. I was also a President Bush supporter and yet he did a few things I didn't care for.

Most of you people blindly support a single party. When are you all going to wise up and realize these people just want to stay in power are in their positions for their own benefit? There are a few notable exceptions to this rule.

By all appearances, the constitution was set aside a long time ago, beginning with the erosion of states rights by amending the constitution to allow for the direct election of senators and taxation without apportionment.

Getting people dependent on government provided programs and benefits goes a long way to keep these people in power.

Case in point, Charlie Rangel. A tax cheat who has been the target of a few ethics violations got reelected to his office.

It's unbelievable how fucking stupid people are in this day and age.

Go ahead and blame Bush for sending our jobs overseas. Clinton did his damage with free trade agreements which started the process. Reagan started the deficit and grew our debt in leaps and bounds. Bush Sr raised taxes because it was good for the country and got unelected because of it, but throughout it all Congress never really reigned in spending, ever.

Why the fuck are we spending money fighting AIDS in Africa when we have the same problem here? Why the fuck are we giving Pakistan billions a year to be our friends when they were hiding OBL since 2004? Why aren't we exploiting our own oil reserves to reduce or dependence on foreign oil? Why, oh why did the environmentalists block the construction of a solar power plant in Death Valley? Why is the taxpayer giving billions of dollars to solar manufacturers? They obviously can't turn a profit. Why are the taxpayers giving billions of dollars to banks and corporations because they fucked up? Why are the taxpayers paying congressional aides for whatever the hell they do? Why can't Congress write a bill small enough to read the entire thing before voting it into law? Obama's healthcare bill wasn't written by Congress, it was written by a think tank and amended by Congress. These people didn't read it. What if Congress ratified a bill that literally said the constitution was null and void? What about president Obama signing onto ACT, a treaty, without being ratified by Congress because it "didn't change US law." Executive privilege and executive orders being used to cover up shady arms deals and ratify treaties, pass laws and directly effect every man, woman and child in the United States should scare the fucking shit out of you, because it scars the shit out of me.

If it didn't, you're stupid. If you support a single party you're stupid. If you don't vote for what you believe in, you're stupid. If you don't vote, well then, you're an asshole because it's one of the basic freedoms and rights that many people have died for.

Good solid post

guess.. im an asshole.. like this is news... LOL


The whole political process is flawed in this country and votes dont mean a thing... Democracy my ass... Plutocracy or whoracracy is what this country really is

hell.. the election was already decided in some dark room.. somewhere... This country has lost its way and the people that are supposed to be elected are greedy,corrupt,self serving idiots.. hmm pretty much sums of politicians.. EVEN the ones that are good will be corrupted by the system in time and so the misery continues... I always wondered what the romans thought as there civilization was in decline and the end was in site.. must be something US right now...

that is all

[FordGT90Concept]

I wonder what the USA would be like if none of us ever voted for an incumbent.

Originally Posted by Brandenburg

I always wondered what the romans thought as there civilization was in decline and the end was in site.. must be something US right now...

Yup. If we don't course-correct soon, there won't be a USA in 100 years.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Yup. If we don't course-correct soon, there won't be a USA in 100 years.

Sounds good. Do it.

[FordGT90Concept]

But, but, but, who will fight your wars for you? Who will do your medical, space, and science research for you? Who will protect your crude oil so your oil prices don't skyrocket? Who will sell you arms and armor? Who will protect you from the big, bad commies?

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

But, but, but, who will fight your wars for you? Who will do your medical, space, and science research for you? Who will protect your crude oil so your oil prices don't skyrocket? Who will sell you arms and armor? Who will protect you from the big, bad commies?

The Chinese, and they'll do it all much cheaper.

[FordGT90Concept]

Ha, yeah right. They'll take it for themselves and leave Europe scraps.


I'm positive the only reason why we get so involved in the middle east is to stop Europe and Asia from buying oil from the western hemisphere (where we get our oil). USA gets virtually no oil from the eastern hemisphere but, if one hemisphere has a shortage, it will effect the other. Keep both sides well supplied and there is no global conflict.

China doesn't do research--only copy other peoples' research. China (and most of Asia for that matter) gets a lot of their arms and armor from Russia. USA is the #1 arms dealer in the world. China is a commie--they aren't going to protect you from themselves.

[Chevalr1c]

I think that the US (well, certain "elements" within it) somehow "convince" the EU to buy overexpensive stuff like the F-35, or other material while inhouse development within the EU could potentially be better. And I find it unlikely that the EU uses vast amounts American rifles if the EU has arms manufacturers too (in the UK and Belgium, IIRC).

[SK-1]

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Seriously though, as a Canadian I find things like this hilarious. We had to get new health cards here in Ontario partially due to the swarms of Americans coming across the border to steal our healthcare.

I love how you guys give junkies free needles, but make diabetics pay for theirs.
My cousins have been going to Canada every summer for the past 30+ years. They own a few a cabins. ( I believe I've told you this before)They are ardent Liberals.(teachers)...
They say your health care sux.

Give us a linkey to all the thieving Americans. Please.
Canada... Don't get sic on Sunday

[FordGT90Concept]

Awesome video.

My experience with ER in USA:
-No triage. Yes, you usually see a nurse before a doctor but only to get symptom information from you. They can't tell you to go home.
-Never waited more than an hour to receive treatment (and it's that long because doctors are afraid of being sued--with tort reform, 15 minutes would be considered long).
-If I ask them for something (like a bucket), they give it to me immediately.
-No waiting for nurse, than doctor. Doctors are always called in immediately unless you are already admitted.
-Never been told they can't take care of the condition that brought me to the ER.
-Never waited more than 15 minutes to get drugs.
-Been set home without any treatment.

My experience at clinics:
-No lines of cars. The parking lot is usually more or less half empty.
-Never waited more than thirty minutes to get blood drawn (and that was at Mayo where they keep a schedule--I think I was early).
-SHE'S A FUCKING NURSE, she should do the blood test right then and there and get it over with but NO. I've had blood drawn in virtually every room of a hospital/clinic except a utility room. If they got a needle, they have the containers for holding the blood, and they have a turnakit, they can do it.
-If you get blood drawn, they can call you with the results. You don't necessarily need a follow up appointment and if you do, they can schedule it over the phone.
-A "family doctor" is not required in the USA under most circumstances. Nevermind waiting 2-3 years to get one.
-Be told to go somewhere else and pay $900.
-I needed a tetnus shot after my dog bit me. I got it in the clinic room during my visit. There was no more waiting than going to get the shot from their drug locker and bringing it back to the room.
-Never waited 7 hours to do anything at a hospital in the USA.

Or...
-Lose both legs and get away with it. First of all, with the technology in the USA, the odds of losing the first leg are remote. Amputating both legs even more remote (amputations are quite rare in the USA unless the limb is already gengreinous). Lawsuit against doctor: inevitable.
-In my podunk town of 6000 people, we got an MRI. In smaller towns that just have a clinic, there is an MRI on wheels in the area so you maybe would have had to wait, at most, a month to get an MRI. If you wanted/needed an MRI immediately, a 60 mile drive to one of the larger hospitals and you'd get it today.
-Incompetent doctors get fired because they cost the hosptial/clinic money.
-We don't have to compare human health treatment to dog health treatment in the USA. That's sad.
-I could schedule an appointment with a dermatologist and see them in a week-month, not 6-7 months. If it were urgent in the USA and you're willing to travel, you could find a dermatologist within a week. If it were an emergency, same day (specialists often make room at the end of their day for emergencies if necessary).

[Magibeg]

Originally Posted by SK-1

I love how you guys give junkies free needles, but make diabetics pay for theirs.
My cousins have been going to Canada every summer for the past 30+ years. They own a few a cabins. ( I believe I've told you this before)They are ardent Liberals.(teachers)...
They say your health care sux.

Give us a linkey to all the thieving Americans. Please.
Canada... Don't get sic on Sunday

I guess I'll just enjoy my longer, healthier life on average and not go bankrupt from any massive bills due to health related reasons.

We could argue in circles forever but you pay more, get less, die younger, and go bankrupt from your healthcare system.


I do know 1 person who goes to private clinics (yes we have a private sector too) and that's because he's extremely rich.


I've used this analogy once and i'll use it again: "Just because a handful of people in the US can buy ferrari's doesn't mean you have the best cars"

Aka:

Just because your wealthy can afford good care doesn't mean that's a good balance for people dying in the street. You lose 10's of thousands of people per year because they're afraid to seek medical attention due to costs. That is a failed system. And if all you care about is money than honestly you're a terrible person, and you should really give yourself a head a shake that you don't value life of others.


I just don't understand why you're trying to support a system that is essentially designed to fuck you over and rape you for everything you have.

[FordGT90Concept]

You, of all people, should know that life span is determined by diet, genetics, and lifestyle moreso than anything else. Americans eat greasy fast food and most of us work sit-on-ass-all-day jobs with little to no exercise on the side.

It's shocking the divide isn't wider and it probably isn't because our healthcare services are so damn good.


We pay more and get more. Nowhere else in the world can you get treatment for whatever problem you have in less than a week, a day if it is a life-threatening emergency.


I got an analogy for you: USA's health costs reflect the real cost of healthcare. Every country that pays less is cutting corners and getting less.

You lose 10s of thousands of people per year because they were put on a fucking waiting list. "That is a failed system."

I wonder what you would have done if you were born in the 19th century where healthcare was a luxary. Bet you wouldn't be complaining about it on the internet.


We're all fucked the day we're born: we are going to die. It makes sense to leave the value of health to one-self so they can make a qualified decision if their life is worth saving or not. It is something everyone has to come to terms with and it is better you do it yourself than a bloated, inefficient, irresponsible, unresponsive government. Instead of you're ability to raise money fucking you over, your government is. That's life, get used to it.

[Magibeg]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

You, of all people, should know that life span is determined by diet, genetics, and lifestyle moreso than anything else. Americans eat greasy fast food and most of us work sit-on-ass-all-day jobs with little to no exercise on the side.

It's shocking the divide isn't wider and it probably isn't because our healthcare services are so damn good.

Preventative care is part of healthcare.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

We pay more and get more. Nowhere else in the world can you get treatment for whatever problem you have in less than a week, a day if it is a life-threatening emergency.

You pay more and get less:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8800.php

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I got an analogy for you: USA's health costs reflect the real cost of healthcare. Every country that pays less is cutting corners and getting less.

Your healthcare system also has to generate profits. Not to mention the extra cost/profits of using a health insurance company.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

You lose 10s of thousands of people per year because they were put on a fucking waiting list. "That is a failed system."

Yes it would be. Good thing that doesn't happen. That's not how the system works. If I get shot in the chest there's no waiting line... i get care NOW. If they discover a random tumor on my head during a regular checkup, there's no waiting line, I get care NOW.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

I wonder what you would have done if you were born in the 19th century where healthcare was a luxary. Bet you wouldn't be complaining about it on the internet.

I'd probably be more concerned with farming fields and dying at 60.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

We're all fucked the day we're born: we are going to die. It makes sense to leave the value of health to one-self so they can make a qualified decision if their life is worth saving or not. It is something everyone has to come to terms with and it is better you do it yourself than a bloated, inefficient, irresponsible, unresponsive government. Instead of you're ability to raise money fucking you over, your government is. That's life, get used to it.

The point is that it's a tilted scale. You're basically saying if you're rich you're better than poor people. If your system moves further and further to that side of things, you would be dead/living in the street about to be dead.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Preventative care is part of healthcare.

Doesn't have to be socialized to promote preventative. There's insurance plans in the USA that do exactly that, in fact.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

You pay more and get less:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8800.php

That only looks at administrative costs. There's a fuckload more to the equation than just administrative costs. Not to mention, government involvement is what forced administrative costs to be astronomical. In the basement of every hospital, tucked away somewhere no customers will find them, you'll find this:

Insurance forms, requests for information, drug information, government paperwork, taxes, reports, etc. This shit isn't shit they WANT to do; it is shit they MUST do either to please someone else (not the patient) or cover their own ass in case something goes wrong. This is why reform is needed.

Socialization--it wouldn't change that price at all without drastically decreasing quality of care.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Your healthcare system also has to generate profits. Not to mention the extra cost/profits of using a health insurance company.

Most health establishments in the USA are not-for-profit. They do what they must. Government, indirectly, is forcing people to buy insurance because their requirements on these not-for-profits (read: EMTALA) have forced costs to boom. Government is to blame--insurance is the bandage helping people deal with government's bullshit. Thanks to Obamacare, buying bullshit to cover horseshit is no longer optional--it's mandatory.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Yes it would be. Good thing that doesn't happen. That's not how the system works. If I get shot in the chest there's no waiting line... i get care NOW. If they discover a random tumor on my head during a regular checkup, there's no waiting line, I get care NOW.

Prove it. Get a tumor in your head and I bet they'll put you on a waiting list to get chemo if it isn't operable. If they do operate and it does kill you, oh well--no fiscal consequences for doing so.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

I'd probably be more concerned with farming fields and dying at 60.

Devil Anse Hatfield (famous for the Hatfields & McCoys feud) was 82 when he died. His healthcare is not so different from what the USA has today--except doctors did house visits. He was a wealthy man though, he could afford it.

George Washington was 67 when he died. Thomas Jefferson was 83. John Adams was 90. Benjamin Franklin was 84. Theodore Roosevelt was 60 (heart attack).

Originally Posted by Magibeg

The point is that it's a tilted scale. You're basically saying if you're rich you're better than poor people. If your system moves further and further to that side of things, you would be dead/living in the street about to be dead.

No, I'm saying no one should be responsibile for your health except you and your close family. No one should be making life and death decisions except you.

Virtually nothing would change if we went back to the 19th century way of doing things. Humans, like all animals, are rugged.



The bottom line is this: you prescribe to the idea that everyone else is responsible for you. I prescribe to the idea that no one is responsible for me except me. My route is the natural route--it has worked for millenia. Your route is the man-made route--it only works when someone other than you says no (effectively don't respond) to the things you need. Both are different means to the same end. Mine stresses independence; yours stresses dependence. I will never agree with yours and you will never agree with mine but, know this: as far as the stability of economies and countries are concerned, independence is undeniably superior. History tells us that with absolute certainty (Darwin described it as natural selection).


Maybe that's just it: you're young and healthy. You haven't yet experienced the triage and rationing that comes with socialized medicine. As you age, you'll be more and more exposed to it. You may not hate it now but the more dependent you become on your socialized medicine, the more you'll hate it. Unless you're wealthy and can escape into the private market, or healthy until the day you die, this fact is an inevitability.

In the USA, all we hate is the price tag. That's not the healthcare system's fault though--it's the fucking government that took it upon itself to "fix" it. Markets gum up when they are overly regulated.

[Magibeg]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Doesn't have to be socialized to promote preventative. There's insurance plans in the USA that do exactly that, in fact.

And yet it's obviously not working.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

That only looks at administrative costs. There's a fuckload more to the equation than just administrative costs. Not to mention, government involvement is what forced administrative costs to be astronomical. In the basement of every hospital, tucked away somewhere no customers will find them, you'll find this:
http://nightclubsecurity.files.wordp.../paperwork.gif
Insurance forms, requests for information, drug information, government paperwork, taxes, reports, etc. This shit isn't shit they WANT to do; it is shit they MUST do either to please someone else (not the patient) or cover their own ass in case something goes wrong. This is why reform is needed.

Socialization--it wouldn't change that price at all without drastically decreasing quality of care.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8800.php

There isn't even a debate here. The US system is just.... sooo bad.... soooo bad.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Most health establishments in the USA are not-for-profit. They do what they must. Government, indirectly, is forcing people to buy insurance because their requirements on these not-for-profits (read: EMTALA) have forced costs to boom. Government is to blame--insurance is the bandage helping people deal with government's bullshit.

Well, that sounds like something the US needs to get fixed somehow. Although:

"It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay."

Doesn't that mean that people will just die more before they're poor? Doesn't that include you if something bad happens?

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Prove it. Get a tumor in your head and I bet they'll put you on a waiting list to get chemo if it isn't operable. If they do operate and it does kill you, oh well--no fiscal consequences for doing so.

I'm not sure how to prove that people in serious health risk are being put on waiting lists. Maybe the fact we're not dying from it? I'm also not sure what you're trying to say here... that we can't sue if an operation goes bad?

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Devil Anse Hatfield (famous for the Hatfields & McCoys feud) was 82 when he died. His healthcare is not so different from what the USA has today--except doctors did house visits. He was a wealthy man though, he could afford it.

George Washington was 67 when he died. Thomas Jefferson was 83. John Adams was 90. Benjamin Franklin was 84. Theodore Roosevelt was 60 (heart attack).

No, I'm saying no one should be responsibile for your health except you and your close family. No one should be making life and death decisions except you.

Virtually nothing would change if we went back to the 19th century way of doing things. Humans, like all animals, are rugged.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

No we pretty much died before 60 (depending on how far back you want to go). So a bunch of rich presidents that didn't do too much hard labor lived a while.

[DannibusX]

"It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay."

Doesn't that mean that people will just die more before they're poor? Doesn't that include you if something bad happens?

It means that people will use the emergency room for every part of their healthcare, including illegal immigrants.

My ex was constantly at the ER for some reason or another. She ALWAYS went to the ER for some bullshit. I haven't been there since I about cut my finger off.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Magibeg

And yet it's obviously not working.

Because Americans are still fat, docile, and eat fast food. You know what they say about putting "lipstick on a pig." Those aren't problems with healthcare in America but Americans themselves. I'm one of them and I can guarentee you I'm not going to make it 80s.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8800.php

There isn't even a debate here. The US Canada system is just.... sooo bad.... soooo bad.

FTFY

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Doesn't that mean that people will just die more before they're poor? Doesn't that include you if something bad happens?

No, it means that if you were poor and went to ER, they'd fix the problem and that's it. For example, if you had a heart attack and were "poor", they would stabilize your heart rate and send you home. If you had money, on the other hand, they would do imaging on your heart to survey the damage and determine risk for future heart problems. They might even operate the same day. Right now, everyone gets the whole 9 yards even if they can't even afford the clothes on their back. The poor guy still may have lived longer than the money guy--it's impossible to know. The money could have easily died in the surgery. Point is, it should be up to the customer and their ability to pay for services rendered. It's only fair. Do it any other way and someone else is going to end up footing the bill for you--that might be fair to you, but not the 1000s upon thousands of people that got shafted because of you.

Originally Posted by Magibeg

I'm not sure how to prove that people in serious health risk are being put on waiting lists. Maybe the fact we're not dying from it? I'm also not sure what you're trying to say here... that we can't sue if an operation goes bad?

Canadians are far less likely to sue than Americans and when they do, the payout is substantially less.
http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=5849
http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1021977.ece

Originally Posted by Magibeg

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005148.html

No we pretty much died before 60 (depending on how far back you want to go). So a bunch of rich presidents that didn't do too much hard labor lived a while.

Back then, a lot of women died young giving birth. The quality and availability of food was also a serious concern. Point is: almost all of that is due to factors other than healthcare service.

[m1dg3t]

Originally Posted by Magibeg

Preventative care is part of healthcare.



You pay more and get less:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8800.php



Your healthcare system also has to generate profits. Not to mention the extra cost/profits of using a health insurance company.



Yes it would be. Good thing that doesn't happen. That's not how the system works. If I get shot in the chest there's no waiting line... i get care NOW. If they discover a random tumor on my head during a regular checkup, there's no waiting line, I get care NOW.




I'd probably be more concerned with farming fields and dying at 60.



The point is that it's a tilted scale. You're basically saying if you're rich you're better than poor people. If your system moves further and further to that side of things, you would be dead/living in the street about to be dead.

Couple years ago my mom wasn't doing to well, turns out she has 2 brain tumors, no joke, since that time I can't tell you how many times she has gone to see a specialist or have an MRI/test done. Guess what; the fucking tumours stopped growing! Now she feels a lot better (was having all kinds of seizures) & she didn't pay a fucking cent. Well she pays for private insurance which covered everything OHIP missed. Thank you my glorious government for havIng the foresight to provide it'ss citizens healthcare.

Theres some shit I aint even gonna comment on because it is so dense. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Some peoples kids.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by m1dg3t

Couple years ago my mom wasn't doing to well, turns out she has 2 brain tumors, no joke, since that time I can't tell you how many times she has gone to see a specialist or have an MRI/test done. Guess what; the fucking tumours stopped growing! Now she feels a lot better (was having all kinds of seizures) & she didn't pay a fucking cent. Well she pays for private insurance which covered everything OHIP missed. Thank you my glorious government for havIng the foresight to provide it'ss citizens healthcare.

So they didn't actually DO anything (like chemo/operate)? In which case, your mom is lucky, very lucky.

"Private insurance..." it wasn't "free."

[m1dg3t]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

So they didn't actually DO anything (like chemo/operate)? In which case, your mom is lucky, very lucky.

"Private insurance..." it wasn't "free."

ROTFLMFAO

Treatment went well, hence her current state.

Get out of here with your weaksauce. Put me back on ignore. Douche.

Insurance is minimal, less than the cost of 1 months perscriprion of 1 medication.

You'd be filing for bankruptcy if it was you. OR die. LOL

God bless America

[FordGT90Concept]

What was her "treatment?"

Going to die somehow. If it isn't heart disease, it is likely to be cancer.

[jmcslob]

The republicans in the House have now spent just under 50 million to fake repeal Obamacare...

If they were actually serious perhaps they would put up something that could actually fix the problem instead of acting like they care when it's all about re-election.

[DannibusX]

Fake repeal? Didn't the house vote to actually repeal? I mean shouldn't the blame be put squarely on the senate for not bringing it to vote?

[WhiteLotus]

I do enjoy these threads about who has the best whatever...

no wait...

no..

no I don't.