American or European? - Page 2

Kurosagi · 05-09-2009, 08:24 AM

japanese tuner cars for me

oh and european cars my fav too

blkhogan · 05-09-2009, 11:19 PM

Give me a big heavy american made any day. If I get into a bad situation on the road I want to win!!!

I do enjoy a good fast import once in a great while. I miss my 1974 240Z though, that car was just flat out fast and fun to drive. Nowadays I drive mostly trucks, big lifted car chomping trucks. The kind you can drive up the hood of a car.

Bow · 05-09-2009, 11:26 PM

Give me an american Big block anyday

Black Panther · 05-09-2009, 11:31 PM

Answer's right here...

Though seriously I'd prefer American cars like this:

if only our roads catered for it...

FordGT90Concept · 05-10-2009, 05:54 AM

Anything Ford is at the top of my list...
Ford
Mercury
Lincoln
Volvo (to a lesser extent)

Following that, I like a lot of British and German cars like...
Porsche
Aston Martin
Jaguar
BMW (some of them)

I don't like most Italian/Asian cars.

I really don't like motorcycles no matter the brand.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 12:59 AM

I'm actually wondering this exact same thing.

I, previously known as B1gg3stN00b, have returned, and I have 15 grand to spend on a car.

I have two options that interest me:
Cadillac CTS 3.6L AT
AND
Volkswagen Passat 2.0T 6AT

Cadillac:
Pros:
Powerful!
RWD handling

Cons:
Weather here gets icy a lot so RWD isn't ALWAYS a plus
Sucks gas, bad for my commute
Drab, dull interior

VW:
Pros:
Can gain horsepower fairly easy through APR ECU tune and basic, cheap bolt ons, decent aftermarket
Good on gas
Great interior
Safe as can be

Cons:
Expensive replacement parts
Not too much power stock
Tiptronic transmission has sketchy reliability, so I hear

The only cars with a manual transmission that I can find here are Acuras that have been riced and driven into the ground, and I commute through a lot of stop and go anyways so auto doesn't hurt

Can anyone expand upon my list of pros and cons?

Driving both, the CTS is definitely the most powerful, but I find the Passat more fun to drive and more appealing for its fuel economy as well

If it's tl;dr for you guys: I'm buying a new car and like the Passat 2.0T and CTS 3.6

Both have about 30k miles on them.

Wut car iz gud?

DrPepper · 05-12-2009, 01:13 AM

I'd get the passat.

Trying to convince my dad to get one so when I pass my test I can have it

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 01:18 AM

Yeah, they're glorious cars, but that CTS is also pretty sweet.

Basically... Heavy, plain muscle car vs. slower, more luxurious Euro car.

However I would get the 93 octane program from APR which gives 52 extra horsepower and 103 extra ft lb of torque for under the price of a new exhaust so long as you run premium fuel. It's also able to be turned off via the cruise control buttons.

DrPepper · 05-12-2009, 01:20 AM

The passat isn't bad power wise. I'm sure its lighter than the cadillac and engineering wise probably a bit more advanced, not that its a major factor or even a minor factor. I'd say it would be a bit slower but with a bit of tuning would be quite good.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 01:25 AM

That's the thing though. Most tuners, especially 4 cylinders, end up making you look like a tool.

If I tune it, I will be as discrete as possible. 4 cylinder+bigger exhaust=FART.

Wile E · 05-12-2009, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Yeah, they're glorious cars, but that CTS is also pretty sweet.

Basically... Heavy, plain muscle car vs. slower, more luxurious Euro car.

However I would get the 93 octane program from APR which gives 52 extra horsepower and 103 extra ft lb of torque for under the price of a new exhaust so long as you run premium fuel. It's also able to be turned off via the cruise control buttons.

If you heard the AT in the Passat has sketchy reliability, the last thing you want to do is increase the power. It will just blow that much quicker. not only that, but the extra power also comes at the expense of gas mileage, since it's pretty much upping the boost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

That's the thing though. Most tuners, especially 4 cylinders, end up making you look like a tool.

If I tune it, I will be as discrete as possible. 4 cylinder+bigger exhaust=FART.

Not the Techtonic Exhaust systems. They have a nice deep sound.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 03:21 AM

The APR tune is just a remapping of the ECU, I heard it actually improved fuel economy.

As for the Tiptronic, it was only from one person, and reading other reviews... people seem to love it. Can you comment on the quality of VW automatics?

Wile E · 05-12-2009, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

The APR tune is just a remapping of the ECU, I heard it actually improved fuel economy.

As for the Tiptronic, it was only from one person, and reading other reviews... people seem to love it. Can you comment on the quality of VW automatics?

They're autos are usually a little better than most in the smaller cars, but I have no experience with the 6speeds.

And the computer controls boost on the turbo VWs. Upping the boost is how a simple tune nets 50hp increases, it would otherwise be impossible to gain that much at it's current power levels from simple timing and fuel adjustments.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 03:41 AM

Oh true.

Do you think the stock engine/transmission would be able to handle that increase? I mean, the Audi/VW dealer here is a dealer of APR.

Wile E · 05-12-2009, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Oh true.

Do you think the stock engine/transmission would be able to handle that increase? I mean, the Audi/VW dealer here is a dealer of APR.

I know the manual does, but I can't help you on the Auto. I just don't know what it's capable of, tbh. I can say that I'm never comfortable pushing too much extra power thru any stock auto.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-12-2009, 03:55 AM

Eh, if I blow it, I can always load a Ford 427, T5 in it and do a RWD conversion! :P

frankie827 · 05-24-2009, 11:12 PM

german cars are the only decent cars

mercedes benz and porsche the only way to go!
i drive a 2000 mb clk 430. my aunt who has worked at chrysler corp (at the headquarters) drives a 2009 porsche 911 carrera S, she won't buy american even after working for chrysler xD

favorite cars: mercedes benz clk 63 amg black series, lambourghini gallardo superleggera, porsche 911 gt2 or 911 turbo.

Chris · 05-25-2009, 01:54 AM

Neither, Japanese models for me

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1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie827

she won't buy american even after working for chrysler

Thats the problem, she worked for Chrysler.

I would just have a hard time spending that much money on that Porche when a brand new ZR1 is in the same ballpark or a ZO6, those would be my first choices.

SK-1 · 05-25-2009, 02:56 AM

Not totally on topic, but I just found this funny.

http://generalnonsense.net/showthrea...=3788#post3788

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 03:04 AM

All I need is a VW with a 5 speed and I'm set.

German.

I'd take nothing over a good VAG, BMW, or M-B.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 03:34 AM

How about some....

I like the German cars, but the VW scene is too much for me. Rusted hoods are in and massive camber angles that are beyond useful even on the track, and then it's on a street car, just too much.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 03:50 AM

I don't rice.

Nor do I let my cars get into shit condition.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 03:58 AM

Oh I'm not saying you rice, and I'm not even sayign what the VW crowd does is rice. What they do is different. They do it to be different, but it just amkes no sense like rusted hoods on brand new cars.

And then something like this, the spacers, white sidewalls, and 70's glasses, it's an image statement that just confuses me.

**EDIT**I forgot to add in, look at the back tire on the red VW, thats another thing they do. Small tires on bigger rims. I can't remember what it is called, but the actual lip of the rim is sticking out and the bead of the tire is sealed farther down in the rim, very dangerous and pretty much a rim killer.

But I'm glad your not into that stuff, because I think the new VW/Audi's are great looking cars and can end up looking amazing with some good rims / tint / and minor lowering, that stuff above is just overboard.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 04:08 AM

I would keep the wheels stock.

Rims are for people who think they're gangsta.

Same with minor lowering and tint.

I'm a white, red blooded, German-American!

05-09-2009, 11:31 PM	#29
Black Panther Modratin'ur monitor clean Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Malta Posts: 1,891 Thanks: 410 Thanked 761 Times in 427 Posts	Answer's right here... Though seriously I'd prefer American cars like this: if only our roads catered for it... Last edited by Black Panther; 05-09-2009 at 11:35 PM.

05-25-2009, 01:54 AM	#43
Chris Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 227 Thanks: 3 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Neither, Japanese models for me . __________________ My signature is cooler than you.

05-25-2009, 03:58 AM	#49
1Kurgan1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 377 Thanked 136 Times in 95 Posts	Oh I'm not saying you rice, and I'm not even sayign what the VW crowd does is rice. What they do is different. They do it to be different, but it just amkes no sense like rusted hoods on brand new cars. And then something like this, the spacers, white sidewalls, and 70's glasses, it's an image statement that just confuses me. EDITI forgot to add in, look at the back tire on the red VW, thats another thing they do. Small tires on bigger rims. I can't remember what it is called, but the actual lip of the rim is sticking out and the bead of the tire is sealed farther down in the rim, very dangerous and pretty much a rim killer. But I'm glad your not into that stuff, because I think the new VW/Audi's are great looking cars and can end up looking amazing with some good rims / tint / and minor lowering, that stuff above is just overboard. Last edited by 1Kurgan1; 05-25-2009 at 04:08 AM.

05-09-2009, 08:24 AM	#26
Kurosagi Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 262 Thanks: 13 Thanked 48 Times in 33 Posts	japanese tuner cars for me oh and european cars my fav too

05-09-2009, 11:19 PM	#27
blkhogan Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 13 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Give me a big heavy american made any day. If I get into a bad situation on the road I want to win!!! I do enjoy a good fast import once in a great while. I miss my 1974 240Z though, that car was just flat out fast and fun to drive. Nowadays I drive mostly trucks, big lifted car chomping trucks. The kind you can drive up the hood of a car.

05-09-2009, 11:26 PM	#28
Bow New Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Give me an american Big block anyday

05-10-2009, 05:54 AM	#30
FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 4,813 Thanks: 396 Thanked 452 Times in 385 Posts	Anything Ford is at the top of my list... Ford Mercury Lincoln Volvo (to a lesser extent) Following that, I like a lot of British and German cars like... Porsche Aston Martin Jaguar BMW (some of them) I don't like most Italian/Asian cars. I really don't like motorcycles no matter the brand.

05-12-2009, 12:59 AM	#31
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	I'm actually wondering this exact same thing. I, previously known as B1gg3stN00b, have returned, and I have 15 grand to spend on a car. I have two options that interest me: Cadillac CTS 3.6L AT AND Volkswagen Passat 2.0T 6AT Cadillac: Pros: Powerful! RWD handling Cons: Weather here gets icy a lot so RWD isn't ALWAYS a plus Sucks gas, bad for my commute Drab, dull interior VW: Pros: Can gain horsepower fairly easy through APR ECU tune and basic, cheap bolt ons, decent aftermarket Good on gas Great interior Safe as can be Cons: Expensive replacement parts Not too much power stock Tiptronic transmission has sketchy reliability, so I hear The only cars with a manual transmission that I can find here are Acuras that have been riced and driven into the ground, and I commute through a lot of stop and go anyways so auto doesn't hurt Can anyone expand upon my list of pros and cons? Driving both, the CTS is definitely the most powerful, but I find the Passat more fun to drive and more appealing for its fuel economy as well If it's tl;dr for you guys: I'm buying a new car and like the Passat 2.0T and CTS 3.6 Both have about 30k miles on them. Wut car iz gud?

05-12-2009, 01:13 AM	#32
DrPepper Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,892 Thanks: 253 Thanked 255 Times in 183 Posts	I'd get the passat. Trying to convince my dad to get one so when I pass my test I can have it

05-12-2009, 01:18 AM	#33
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Yeah, they're glorious cars, but that CTS is also pretty sweet. Basically... Heavy, plain muscle car vs. slower, more luxurious Euro car. However I would get the 93 octane program from APR which gives 52 extra horsepower and 103 extra ft lb of torque for under the price of a new exhaust so long as you run premium fuel. It's also able to be turned off via the cruise control buttons.

05-12-2009, 01:20 AM	#34
DrPepper Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,892 Thanks: 253 Thanked 255 Times in 183 Posts	The passat isn't bad power wise. I'm sure its lighter than the cadillac and engineering wise probably a bit more advanced, not that its a major factor or even a minor factor. I'd say it would be a bit slower but with a bit of tuning would be quite good.

05-12-2009, 01:25 AM	#35
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	That's the thing though. Most tuners, especially 4 cylinders, end up making you look like a tool. If I tune it, I will be as discrete as possible. 4 cylinder+bigger exhaust=FART.

05-12-2009, 03:21 AM	#37
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	The APR tune is just a remapping of the ECU, I heard it actually improved fuel economy. As for the Tiptronic, it was only from one person, and reading other reviews... people seem to love it. Can you comment on the quality of VW automatics?

05-12-2009, 03:41 AM	#39
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Oh true. Do you think the stock engine/transmission would be able to handle that increase? I mean, the Audi/VW dealer here is a dealer of APR.

05-12-2009, 03:55 AM	#41
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Eh, if I blow it, I can always load a Ford 427, T5 in it and do a RWD conversion! :P

05-24-2009, 11:12 PM	#42
frankie827 New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: connecticut Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	german cars are the only decent cars mercedes benz and porsche the only way to go! i drive a 2000 mb clk 430. my aunt who has worked at chrysler corp (at the headquarters) drives a 2009 porsche 911 carrera S, she won't buy american even after working for chrysler xD favorite cars: mercedes benz clk 63 amg black series, lambourghini gallardo superleggera, porsche 911 gt2 or 911 turbo.

05-25-2009, 03:04 AM	#46
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	All I need is a VW with a 5 speed and I'm set. German. I'd take nothing over a good VAG, BMW, or M-B.

05-25-2009, 03:34 AM	#47
1Kurgan1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,054 Thanks: 377 Thanked 136 Times in 95 Posts	How about some.... I like the German cars, but the VW scene is too much for me. Rusted hoods are in and massive camber angles that are beyond useful even on the track, and then it's on a street car, just too much.

05-25-2009, 03:50 AM	#48
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	I don't rice. Nor do I let my cars get into shit condition.

05-25-2009, 04:08 AM	#50
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	I would keep the wheels stock. Rims are for people who think they're gangsta. Same with minor lowering and tint. I'm a white, red blooded, German-American!

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