American or European? - Page 7

1Kurgan1 · 06-26-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

Another thing of interest since we're throwing around the subject, is with turbo sizes and spooling is the theory that smaller, quick-spooling, spikey turbos break more parts than a bigger turbo that might make more torque but comes on smoother. More power breaks less parts? "Save your transmission, use a big turbo."

Just amusing is all.

Torque breaks parts, especially transmissions, with the lower gears multiplying by such a great amount. A huge amount of torque at lower rpm's will cause more things to break. I mean this is within reason, can't go comparing a 300hp motor and a 1200hp motor, because the 1200hp motors chart may look weak down low, but it's always going to be making more power at any rpm vs a 300hp motor.

Deusxmachina · 06-26-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

Torque breaks parts, especially transmissions, with the lower gears multiplying by such a great amount. A huge amount of torque at lower rpm's will cause more things to break. I mean this is within reason, can't go comparing a 300hp motor and a 1200hp motor, because the 1200hp motors chart may look weak down low, but it's always going to be making more power at any rpm vs a 300hp motor.

Well, if we consider a launch, let's say a car launches with good traction with 250lbs-ft compared to having 300lbs-ft anywhere except right off a sudden start. Which breaks more parts? Probably the suddenly-applied 250lbs-ft.

Or not. Just tossing it out there. I suppose a similar comparison might be how nitrous kicks in vs. how a turbo kicks in.

Interestingly, the first guy I know of who did 500whp on 93 octane with a 4g63 kept breaking 4th gear. He installed a transmission cooler, and I guess it was ok after that. I don't know if he kept rebuilding the same transmission and there was a flaw in that specific transmission or something, which, while perhaps unlikely, is possible.

Wile E · 06-26-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

Well, there's still the case of the guy slapping a giant turbo onto an otherwise-stock car and not being able to run more than, say, 10psi or else he'll max out the fuel system. Does that mean the stock turbo was out of its efficiency range even at stock boost settings? Maybe so. And it would be no wonder why so many people take it off as soon as possible.

Just some real-world examples. A car can have various-sized turbos on it, (within reason), and they all will work "fine," albeit with some differences. The main point was 20psi doesn't necessarily equal 20psi as far as making horsepower goes.

Another thing of interest since we're throwing around the subject, is with turbo sizes and spooling is the theory that smaller, quick-spooling, spikey turbos break more parts than a bigger turbo that might make more torque but comes on smoother. More power breaks less parts? "Save your transmission, use a big turbo."

Just amusing is all.

Good luck with the Honda if you go that route. I see pretty much any FWD past a certain power level as a waste of time and a form of aggravation when driving it. And, really, they become dangerous.

It would only be a problem from a dig. Around town, I would run in lower boost. The only reason I want that much HP, is for occasional trip to the strip, where I'd be running on stickies of some sort, and the occasional challenge on the highway.

1Kurgan1 · 06-27-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

Well, if we consider a launch, let's say a car launches with good traction with 250lbs-ft compared to having 300lbs-ft anywhere except right off a sudden start. Which breaks more parts? Probably the suddenly-applied 250lbs-ft.

Yeah its from the start thats the issue, and a good launch is going to be you building some RPM's, probably 2500ish, which would allow most turbos to spool and kick the crap out of your tranny.

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Originally Posted by Wile E

It would only be a problem from a dig. Around town, I would run in lower boost. The only reason I want that much HP, is for occasional trip to the strip, where I'd be running on stickies of some sort, and the occasional challenge on the highway.

I don't mind racing from lights, but it's asking to get caught doing that kind of stuff in town, plus mostly open roads here so I get a lot more freeway races, I would go for the flat out power, but thats because my situation most likely.

reverze · 07-10-2009, 04:38 PM

German Engineering..

Audi

Looking for a 2003/2004 Audi A4 at the moment..

mtosev · 08-14-2009, 06:51 AM

This is the best car ever:

Its a German car

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-18-2009, 01:45 AM

'Nuff said.

FordGT90Concept · 08-18-2009, 02:57 AM

'Nuff said.

3991v · 08-18-2009, 04:04 AM

Sexiest car on the market today IMO.

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-18-2009, 04:14 AM

Spain... fuck yeah!

FordGT90Concept · 08-18-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 3991v

http://www.hdwallpapers.com/photo/al...aro_2010_3.jpg

Sexiest car on the market today IMO.

They killed the Camero because they had to. Why did they bring it back? Seriously, Chevrolet needs to decide between the Corvette and the Camero. Having both means they are equally half-assed.

Also, everyone (Ford Mustang) and their grandma (Dodge Charger) has done retro. Why did GM wait so long? I mean, it's like showing up to the party a day late. The latest trend in cars is all about fuel efficiency, not playing necromancer of dead cars (Charger/Camero).

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http://www.carforums.net/reviews/mak...res/seat12.jpg

Spain... fuck yeah!

Fugly.

3991v · 08-18-2009, 07:48 AM

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They killed the Camero because they had to. Why did they bring it back? Seriously, Chevrolet needs to decide between the Corvette and the Camero. Having both means they are equally half-assed.

Also, everyone (Ford Mustang) and their grandma (Dodge Charger) has done retro. Why did GM wait so long? I mean, it's like showing up to the party a day late. The latest trend in cars is all about fuel efficiency, not playing necromancer of dead cars (Charger/Camero).

The charger looks like shit IMO (well, the only good ones were from 67 to 69). And I'd take the new Camaro over a new Mustang or Charger any day.. it look so fucking awesome... (and much better than the new Taurus)

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-18-2009, 02:24 PM

Yeah man hatches are for wimminz!

Wile E · 08-19-2009, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 3991v

The charger looks like shit IMO (well, the only good ones were from 67 to 69). And I'd take the new Camaro over a new Mustang or Charger any day.. it look so fucking awesome... (and much better than the new Taurus)

I'd take a Taurus SHO over either the Charger or the Camaro any day. AWD, and I'm sure the twin turbo 3.5 has some power left on the table. The new Camaro, it does not impress me.

3991v · 08-19-2009, 06:07 AM

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I'd take a Taurus SHO over either the Charger or the Camaro any day. AWD, and I'm sure the twin turbo 3.5 has some power left on the table. The new Camaro, it does not impress me.

It seems we can't agree on anything

The Camaro is my favorite zombie car, I wouldn't mind cruising around in one of those and BTW I'm not strictly any brand, either but I prefer GM.

Wile E · 08-19-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 3991v

It seems we can't agree on anything

Well, that's mostly because I have taste. lol

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-19-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile E

Well, that's mostly because I have taste. lol

Word up on the street is the SHO will only have an auto trans.

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According to Wikipedia this is true.

Also... It's not even made to handle the power of the SHO

"Ford claims the 6F is designed to handle 300 hp (224 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m)"

Wile E · 08-19-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Word up on the street is the SHO will only have an auto trans.

Edit:
According to Wikipedia this is true.

Also... It's not even made to handle the power of the SHO

"Ford claims the 6F is designed to handle 300 hp (224 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m)"

Yeah, that's the downside to the SHO. I hate flappy paddle shifters.

And, as far as the 6F is concerned, Ford has always changed a few things in performance models, so the 6F in the SHO will be built better.

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-19-2009, 11:23 PM

I DID read something about it being clutch to clutch... does this mean it will be similar to Volkswagen's DSG? If so, that makes it ALMOST acceptable.

Wile E · 08-19-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

I DID read something about it being clutch to clutch... does this mean it will be similar to Volkswagen's DSG? If so, that makes it ALMOST acceptable.

Still not quite what I want either. Is it too much to ask to give me a damn clutch pedal? That's my major concern really. It's the primary reason I'm not really interested in the R35 either. I want a user operated clutch dammit!!!

I can accept the sequential shifters, if I can control engagement.

MRCL · 08-20-2009, 03:35 AM

Soo... just jumping in the running discussion: American over European any day. Europeans just don't know how to build cars with style anymore.

1Kurgan1 · 08-20-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 3991v

The charger looks like shit IMO (well, the only good ones were from 67 to 69). And I'd take the new Camaro over a new Mustang or Charger any day.. it look so fucking awesome... (and much better than the new Taurus)

It's hard to compare a sports car to something with 4 doors. Ones made to look good and be a paint to use and the others meant to be functional, and if a sport model still look good. Either way I've owned 4 SHO's, and it always feels good when someone says something like that driving a Mustang or a Camaro then you just rip them a new one, was such a fun sleeper.

FreedomEclipse · 08-20-2009, 03:48 PM

I saw a Ford Mustang GT in stealth black the other day....my god i came in my pants so hard. Im not a huge car fan at all but that mustang just sitting there really just took my breath away. Its like bruce lee suddenly crawled out of his grave & gave me a 1 inch punch.

Unfortunately I didnt have a camera at the time & it was in the evening so even though I do have a 2mpx cam on my phone - it wouldnt of looked too great anyway.

I have never seen anything more beautiful....kit cars are kit cars but a Mustang GT in stealth black....omg...

Wile E · 08-21-2009, 03:29 AM

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I saw a Ford Mustang GT in stealth black the other day....my god i came in my pants so hard. Im not a huge car fan at all but that mustang just sitting there really just took my breath away. Its like bruce lee suddenly crawled out of his grave & gave me a 1 inch punch.

Unfortunately I didnt have a camera at the time & it was in the evening so even though I do have a 2mpx cam on my phone - it wouldnt of looked too great anyway.

I have never seen anything more beautiful....kit cars are kit cars but a Mustang GT in stealth black....omg...

I want a Barricade replica from the TF movies.

T3hPwn3r3r · 08-21-2009, 01:55 PM

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/implies Americans know anything about style

lol

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T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 646 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	I DID read something about it being clutch to clutch... does this mean it will be similar to Volkswagen's DSG? If so, that makes it ALMOST acceptable.

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FreedomEclipse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: (British Born Chinese) London, United Kingdom Posts: 717 Thanks: 55 Thanked 111 Times in 80 Posts	I saw a Ford Mustang GT in stealth black the other day....my god i came in my pants so hard. Im not a huge car fan at all but that mustang just sitting there really just took my breath away. Its like bruce lee suddenly crawled out of his grave & gave me a 1 inch punch. Unfortunately I didnt have a camera at the time & it was in the evening so even though I do have a 2mpx cam on my phone - it wouldnt of looked too great anyway. I have never seen anything more beautiful....kit cars are kit cars but a Mustang GT in stealth black....omg...

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