A Day Of Rememberance...

[m1dg3t]

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

I think we did. Though maybe more so because the US really wanted some European backing to support it's legal right at the UN to go to war.

Well Canada is ex colony so you can see how us backing US helps there as well

[Jaydenz]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

LOL let the america hating continue.

I missed that part. Have you ever listened to an open session of Congress? That sounds more like America bashing than this thread.
People were arrested and even shot in Nazi Germany if they said anything that wasnt politically correct btw but this is America. My family moved here from Scotland in the 1700s cuz we have freedom of speech.
Some of the German soldiers didnt like that war but that didnt mean they didnt love there country.

Originally Posted by mtosev

quite simple really. the internal structure holding the building melted/collapsed. if there is nothing to hold the building it will collapse.and that's what happened

its still impossible cuz lots of buildings have been hit by planes and no building ever collapsed. I saw the 2nd plane hit the building and it crashed on the right side and not in the middle but it still collapsed straight down.
and its impossible a plane hit the Pentagon cuz the engines were never found and they didnt make holes and thats impossible.
I dont care if we attacked afganistan cuz they hate America but i want to know what really happened.
I do think the Iraq war was wrong btw. there was no reason to attack that country.
but the planes were the only part of that video that i thought could really be true and thats what i want to know about.

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

^^^ With that being said I think this thread can be laid to rest.

Its not a dick contest its a thread about 911.

Originally Posted by HossHuge

I'm curious as to how they teach this at schools in the U.S.?

Do they give different sides of the story or just what the Gov said.

We only talk about what happened and not about any of this conspiracy stuff but life IS war. ask any bully.

[Chevalr1c]

Originally Posted by mtosev

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full...e-urinal-deuce
The world's biggest conspiracy of all time is finally uncovered when Cartman exposes the true culprit behind the September 11th attacks. Stan and Kyle come face-to-face with the masterminds who pulled off the most elaborate, intricate and flawlessly executed operation in American history.

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

LOL let the america hating continue. It really doesn't bother me a bit. I just think that since you SEE these things on TV and Internet that it makes them true and we are just warriors without a purpose.

Keep thinking that LOL

The satire in that SP episode aims at conspirists, not at you and those others who served. It tries to ridicule all that conspiracy stuff about 9/11. Hence the answer Kyle gets when he asked who was responsible being, "(...) bunch of Muslims of course. Are you retarded?", as well as the episode starting with Mr. Mackey making a big deal out of a turd in a urinal (and Cartman coming with a dumbass and far fetched conspiracy "theory" because of it). So I wonder if you actually watched the episode, even though the series is regarded by Republicans as pro-Democrats it still sides with those being the most realistic about the given subject.

[mtosev]

Originally Posted by Jaydenz

I missed that part. Have you ever listened to an open session of Congress? That sounds more like America bashing than this thread.
People were arrested and even shot in Nazi Germany if they said anything that wasnt politically correct btw but this is America. My family moved here from Scotland in the 1700s cuz we have freedom of speech.
Some of the German soldiers didnt like that war but that didnt mean they didnt love there country.



its still impossible cuz lots of buildings have been hit by planes and no building ever collapsed. I saw the 2nd plane hit the building and it crashed on the right side and not in the middle but it still collapsed straight down.
and its impossible a plane hit the Pentagon cuz the engines were never found and they didnt make holes and thats impossible.
I dont care if we attacked afganistan cuz they hate America but i want to know what really happened.
I do think the Iraq war was wrong btw. there was no reason to attack that country.
but the planes were the only part of that video that i thought could really be true and thats what i want to know about.



Its not a dick contest its a thread about 911.



We only talk about what happened and not about any of this conspiracy stuff but life IS war. ask any bully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe...y_Camera_1.ogv
u can see that this is a plane hitting the Pentagon and not some missile like most conspiracists believe
about the towers both of the planes where full of jet fuel. burning jet fuel produces temps exceeding 1000°C temps. the building probably wouldn't have collapsed if the jets weren't full of jet full. also a plane hit the Empire state building and it didn't collapse but the plane was a lot smaller than a Boeing 747 that hit the WTC towers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Em...Building_crash




While the structural integrity of the building was not compromised, fourteen people died (three crewmen and eleven in the building)
^^about the Empire state building

if some small kind of plane hit the WTC towers wouldn't have collapsed. also why they didn't collapse immediately is because the jet fuel didn't hit the temps needed to melt the buildings internal structure.

more interesting stuff:

The only individual metal component of the aircraft that is comparable in strength to the box perimeter columns of the WTC is the keel beam at the bottom of the aircraft fuselage. While the aircraft impact undoubtedly destroyed several columns in the WTC perimeter wall, the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure. Of equal or even greater significance during this initial impact was the explosion when 90,000 L gallons of jet fuel, comprising nearly 1/3 of the aircraft’s weight, ignited. The ensuing fire was clearly the principal cause of the collapse
Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.
The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure

[Jaydenz]

Originally Posted by mtosev

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe...y_Camera_1.ogv
u can see that this is a plane hitting the Pentagon and not some missile like most conspiracists believe
about the towers both of the planes where full of jet fuel. burning jet fuel produces temps exceeding 1000°C temps. the building probably wouldn't have collapsed if the jets weren't full of jet full. also a plane hit the Empire state building and it didn't collapse but the plane was a lot smaller than a Boeing 747 that hit the WTC towers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Em...Building_crash

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...restate540.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d%2C_Calif.jpg

While the structural integrity of the building was not compromised, fourteen people died (three crewmen and eleven in the building)
^^about the Empire state building

if some small kind of plane hit the WTC towers wouldn't have collapsed. also why they didn't collapse immediately is because the jet fuel didn't hit the temps needed to melt the buildings internal structure.

more interesting stuff:

The only individual metal component of the aircraft that is comparable in strength to the box perimeter columns of the WTC is the keel beam at the bottom of the aircraft fuselage. While the aircraft impact undoubtedly destroyed several columns in the WTC perimeter wall, the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure. Of equal or even greater significance during this initial impact was the explosion when 90,000 L gallons of jet fuel, comprising nearly 1/3 of the aircraft’s weight, ignited. The ensuing fire was clearly the principal cause of the collapse
Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.
The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure

Wow and thanks for that information. I discussed it with one of my uncles last night and he explained a lot of it to me. He said that sometimes stuff happens that nobody can explain and your right that is a plane flying into the Pentagon. He explained the World Trade center too and he said there was too much weight on top and thats why they crashed straight down. I think I understand it now but I dont understand conspiracy or why peeps make up stories about stuff to blame other people. He said theres always been terrorists so nobody had to crash buildings to prove that.

[mtosev]

I'm glad that u found my post useful. btw did u know about that Empire state building plane crash before I posted it?

[Jaydenz]

Originally Posted by mtosev

I'm glad that u found my post useful. btw did u know about that Empire state building plane crash before I posted it?

Yeah that Empire state building crash was in that video i watched but they never said it was a tiny plane so i thought it was the same size. I know a lot about aircraft but i dont know very much about old aircraft like that one in the picture. Btw my uncle said that the Pentagon walls are reinforced and that could destroy the engines on the plane without making holes if the wings broke when they crashed.
well mostly i just know a lot about AF planes and jets. i really should study passenger planes too but the AF jets are so cool! My favorite jet is the F117A Nighthawk! It cant even fly without computers.

[mtosev]

yup that plane that crashed into the Empire state building is a toy compared to a Boeing 747 that crashed into the WTC buildings





wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Mitchell

[mtosev]

Originally Posted by Jaydenz

My favorite jet is the F117A Nighthawk! It cant even fly without computers.

your fav jet already got shoot down btw haha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_down_of_F-117
so much for stealth

and btw Jay if u like jet fighters so much u can head to Russia and take a ride in MIG and also fly one. you will get professional russian pilot that will take you for a ride in a MIG. they also let to take control of the plane.

americans probably won't let u fly a F something plane but the russians will

http://www.flymigsokol.com/

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/migs/

http://www.flymig.com/

hehe

[eidairaman1]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

[a111087]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

well... right now corporations that worked so hard to take over the government are the worst domestic enemy we have. go and defend us from them. report back with results.

[HossHuge]

Originally Posted by mtosev

yup that plane that crashed into the Empire state building is a toy compared to a Boeing 747 that crashed into the WTC buildings

Dude, the planes that flew into the WTC towers were 767's.

Have a listen to Frank A. DeMartini the Manager of WTC Construction and Project Management. If you don't care to listen he says that multiple aircraft could have hit the buildings without issue.