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Old 09-20-2013, 06:51 PM   #1
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Brace for higher electric bills in the USA

Obama Announces First Coal Carbon Limits

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See ya, carbon. On Friday, the Obama administration is set to announce the first-ever carbon limits on new coal-fired power plants, which have been blamed for global warming and pollution. The carbon dioxide would be caught in expensive technology and buried underground, and would be an incentive to focus on cleaner energy sources. Plants already in operation won’t be affected yet, but likely would be in the future, as they produce a third of the country’s greenhouse-gas emissions. The regulations will be proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency by next summer.
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:58 PM   #2
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so u just gunna invest into renewable energy. some time ago there was a guy from florida on cnn who pays only 2$ on his electric bill. he uses solar power and has some batteries to store the excess power
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Renewable energy costs in the neighborhood of eight times more than coal.

Solar systems cost north for $20,000 to install. The equipment will likely fail before he ever recoups investment cost.
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It'd still be nice to have just to be independent of power companies
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Renewable energy costs in the neighborhood of eight times more than coal.

Solar systems cost north for $20,000 to install. The equipment will likely fail before he ever recoups investment cost.
but u forgot to say that renewable energy doesn't pollute the environment.

an investment into solar power comes back in 5-7years. also don't forget that the state gives u a state subvention if u invest in green power/energy
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but u forgot to say that renewable energy doesn't pollute the environment.

an investment into solar power comes back in 5-7years. also don't forget that the state gives u a state subvention if u invest in green power/energy

State subvention? As in discount/cashback?
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yup correct. the eu offers that. if i buy a hybrid or an all electric vehicle the state reimburses me/you for ~4000€. same goes for interments into green/renewable energy
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but u forgot to say that renewable energy doesn't pollute the environment.
The principle exhaust from coal is carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide in the air is completely natural.

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an investment into solar power comes back in 5-7years. also don't forget that the state gives u a state subvention if u invest in green power/energy
California/Nevada has invested in solar more than any where else. Why? Because it makes sense for them. Solar plants outside of the deserts don't make sense because the cost of the land alone will destroy any potential profit.

"State gives you" is also known as taxes. Instead of paying for electricity out-right allowing consumers to make sound economic choices, the cost is hidden in generic taxes. This leads to bullshit like Solyndra where government thinks it knows better than the people. Government doesn't know jack shit! It ruins the economy and it's arguable if it is even better for the environment anyway (e.g. batteries MUST be properly disposed but a very low percentage actually are).


I bet you could think of at least 10 other things the government could spend that subsidy on other than artificially adjusting the price of "green" energy. You know, like repairing roads, improving public schools, and things of the sort. The ONLY subsidy that makes sense is agriculture because people have to eat.
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Old 09-20-2013, 08:18 PM   #9
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yup correct. the eu offers that. if i buy a hybrid or an all electric vehicle the state reimburses me/you for ~4000€. same goes for interments into green/renewable energy
That's nice the government pays you to buy hybrids which put more pollution in the air to produce than just driving a standard car for pretty much ever.
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got any proof about that?
btw all electric cars have 0 emissions so they can't produce any pollution

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That's nice the government pays you to buy hybrids which put more pollution in the air to produce than just driving a standard car for pretty much ever.
Hybrids produce more pollution? I thought half the point of a hybrid was to reduce emissions.
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i almost forgot to say this germany aims to put 1million electric or hybrid cars on the road by the year 2020
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i almost forgot to say this germany aims to put 1million electric or hybrid cars on the road by the year 2020
The electricity stored up in those electric vehicles batteries doesn't get there by magic.
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i almost forgot to say this germany aims to put 1million electric or hybrid cars on the road by the year 2020
They should put drivers in those cars too or that can cause huge traffic issues.
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mass production of these type of batteries is planned. honda or toyota is looking for anyone who can improve current types of batteries used or make newer and better ones. they both are investing nice amounts of $ to make it possible
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Better than the scam that is ethanol. Only in America would you grow food just to burn it in our cars.
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Old 09-20-2013, 09:31 PM   #18
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Better than the scam that is ethanol. Only in America would you grow food just to burn it in our cars.
Am I missing something here?
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Am I missing something here?
Only corn gas lol! Theres a tank that runs on alcohol too but its probaly not easy to keep it on the street lmao.
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got any proof about that?
btw all electric cars have 0 emissions so they can't produce any pollution
Oh really? They get their power from this:


And they are made (the batteries and metals) from this:


Instead of pretending to be "green," why not do the smart thing and take what runs both of those things (fossil fuels) and burn it where it is needed (your car). It is the most efficient system which is also why it is the cheapest.

And you know what the number one cause of greenhouse warming is besides water vapor? DUST and other particulate matter in the air. Both are worse for "global warming" than CO2 is and they both produce copious amounts of it. You know the best way to reduce "global warming?" Spray this shit on gravel roads. BUT NO! You can't do that! Environuts complain! That's why they're "nuts," they haven't figured out that the problem with the environment is the fact they are alive and doing things humans do!

Theodore Roosevelt setting up the National Park Service (protected forests) and Richard Nixon's Clean Air Act (limited use of known-to-be bad chemicals like chlorofluorocarbons) are the only good things the federal government ever did for the environment. Both of them were Republicans; neither of them promoted stupid shit that's going around now.
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Only corn gas lol! Theres a tank that runs on alcohol too but its probaly not easy to keep it on the street lmao.
Corn gas lol. As in you eat a lot of corn and let rip inside the petrol hub and it'll run off that?

An alcoholic drinking alcohol driving a car that is drinking alcohol. Nice.
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got any proof about that?
btw all electric cars have 0 emissions so they can't produce any pollution

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you're a fool who's been drinking the koolaid. Lay off and find you're brain. There's no such thing as a manufactured 0 emission product. You're confusing a car with a fucking tree.

electric cars have plastic = oil drilling, refining, manufaturing into plastic, and etc. Fuck ton of emissions right there

electric cars have metal = mining, refining, manufacturing, forming = fuck ton of emissions right there

electric cars have batteries = toxic mining, toxic disposal, short life, = fuck ton of emissions right there

don't be a fool if we made it, it's bad for the environment.

Now if they can work on better battery technologies and guarantee that the electricity used to charge the car comes from renewable sources then sure it will beat a standard gas engine car. But seriously don't buy into that "0 emission" crap because its simply not true.
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If overnight (by magic) 50% of our cars became electric... The GRID would fail.
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i meant when the car is on the road that it doesn't produce any emissions
almost everything produced by ppl pollutes the environment. producing meat products is also very harmful for the environment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...eat_production


sooner or later we will have to lower some of the emissions caused by man. either that or in 50-100years+ the whole world will look and be polluted like china
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i meant when the car is on the road that it doesn't produce any emissions
Still only half the equation... So much more to consider. People (most) buy electric to get that "I feel good about myself" feeling.

Electrics still need a lot of "evolution"
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