Health Care Ramthroat

[jmcslob]

That's right in less than 2 weeks Health Care Reform will bypass Honest debate and will be forced upon all of us whether you agree with it or not...

Good day for sure not really no

But TBH any true Republican or Democrat has to realize that underlying cost of business is entirely to high in this country and the logical course of action has to be to lower the Higher costs.

Health Care as a whole costs this country it's Competitive edge and I believe we all know this to be true.

Most people don't completely understand why health care is so much of a drain on business's..
For one Workman's Comp. Medical insurance is required for all business's and it's not cheap and it's in addition to any Health Care benefits offered if any.

Poor health leads to Attendance issues and often requires employers to higher unneeded additional personnel.

Health Care Insurance Costs have increased in the double Digit %'s for several years now making it nearly impossible for many employers to offer.

I could go on...and on...and on..

If you feel something about Health Care needs addressed Contact your Representatives with your Constructive Ideas within the next week so maybe they can put forth a worthwhile idea towards this reform.

Please remember I don't completely agree with whats going on....

What do you think about this..

And trust me By the "End of March" Health care will be Passed

[JC316]

I badly need medical insurance, but I fucking hate the idea of government health care. Sadly, the government doesn't give a rats ass what the people want.

[Triprift]

I dont understand why so many countries around the world can do it yet you guys seemingly cant. Its almost like the US is a student and the friends /teachers tell him how to improve his scores yet he egnores them. Then again your country has been a mystery to me for so long its like your secretly happy your heath care system is a shambles or just dont believe it is. This is not me saying for all Americans but many will help another person only if they have money.

[JC316]

Originally Posted by Triprift

I dont understand why so many countries around the world can do it yet you guys seemingly cant. Its almost like the US is a student and the friends /teachers tell him how to improve his scores yet he egnores them. Then again your country has been a mystery to me for so long its like your secretly happy your heath care system is a shambles or just dont believe it is. This is not me saying for all Americans but many will help another person only if they have money.

It's the way our government wants to do it. I don't know if the latest change still has it, but they were talking about forcing it on you or you go to prison.

[Triprift]

Ok well obviously i havnt looked at in detail if thats the case thats pretty crappy.

[jmcslob]

no it's a heavy fine now, However the cost will be subsidized to be affordable for everybody....By forcing everyone to pay it will drive down cost....

And by affordable I mean I'll probably only upgrade once every two years instead of every 6 months.


It really does make a lot of sense .....People just don't want to hear it because it's controversial to argue and dumb ass Americans love to Argue...Even when they are arguing against they're own best interest because that's what the Idiot told them on the TV or the Radio.....

Not to go off subject here but that's another problem here...Dumb Ass People....Most don't even think for themselves They don't even know how...

It's like a Dip Shit Crowd mentality.....


People want to bitch about what the Dems are doing while the Repub's want to do exactly the same thing with like 3 very Minor Terms that don't mean a Fucking Thing at All! yet
They refuse to Do the Jobs they were elected for simply so they can regain power and in the meanwhile Fuck US right...

[WhiteLotus]

One thing i need cleared up is this. With this new health care bill, will you (americans) still have private healthcare?

If so i don't really see the negative about it. The poor people, the ones that do all the shitty jobs that you don't get health care, and so can carry on that shitty job that no one wants, and the rich people can still get there wonderful private health care. It may even cause premiums/insurance to go down, and the drug companies behind all the private health care will have to compete more to get your business.

Surely this is only a good thing... no?

[FordGT90Concept]

Obama Care is dead. Republicans have always hated and now Democrats are beginning to as well. More and more people despise Obama for making healthcare his top priority when jobs/economy are the top priority of the people. In his 7 hour whatever-you-want-to-call-it yesterday, he made it clear that jobs will remain on the backburner until Obama Care is passed.

Obama just killed his presidency. He is making something that less than 15% of Americans care about the highest priority: big mistake.


BTW, Republicans want to take an incremental approach to healthcare: fix the obvious problems like malpractice, compensating hospitals for providing care to those that can't aford it, allow interstate purchasing of insurance plans, and getting insurance companies out of the clinc. Those changes probably won't even cost $1 billion to implement so WTF is a $1+ trillion "plan" even being discussed? This is why Americans are pissed at Washington--they (the party in charge) show a complete lack of common sense. Rather, their intentions are quite obvious and Biden put it well: a "blind power grab."


There is no "new" bill. Obama staked his Presidency on passing a healthcare bill and he is grasping at straws now to get something passed so his name doesn't go down in history as "epic fail." He needs to let it go and let Congress come up with something else (Republican plan looks the best for now).


FYI, poor people get healthcare because hospitals cannot refuse treatment. The hospital foots the bill and everyone else ends up paying for it.

[Triprift]

Ahhh so its a political thing republicans dont want government health care got it cheers for clearing that up.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

And trust me By the "End of March" Health care will be Passed

He said that back in August when he had a super majority. He said it again before Christmas. Now he says before the end of March. Congress works at its own pace, a black dude living in a White House ranting about it won't change that.

[Triprift]

Well no offence but i think with majority he had at the last election he shouldnt have had no trouble with getting any bill approved the ppl gave him a mandate seemingly theres no such thing in the US.

And why menchin his colour? what does that have to do with anything? Clearly you woudnt care even if he had the perfect policies on everything youd still vote against him.

[FordGT90Concept]

It's because of the structure of Congress. The Senate requires members to form a consensus. No consensus was formed so nothing got past the Senate. The Senate is structured the way it is in order for the majority to not trample on the minority. The minority doesn't want sweeping changes and successfully blocked the majority's move to do so.

Originally Posted by Triprift

And why menchin his colour? what does that have to do with anything? Clearly you woudnt care even if he had the perfect policies on everything youd still vote against him.

Irony. It's just an adjective; no reason to get all offended. Bill Clinton had the same problem back in 1993.

I can't see myself voting for a Democrat regardless of what race he/she is. They represent everything I oppose (Europeanizing America).

I would consider voting for Powell if he got the Presidential nod through the primaries but, he has to represent my beliefs which is currently unclear (served under Democrats and Republican Presidents and endorsed a Democrat). It is unlikely he'll run and he appears to be liberal leaning.


FYI, the White House is white because of the stones used on the exterior of the structure. It was constructed largely using African-American slave labor.

[CyberDruid]

Throat-Ram me with a Fox Penis. The only people that use the phrase jam/ram down the throat are what I term Foxbots. Foxbots are "People" with such feeble intellectual capability they can only regurgitate sound bites seen on Fox News.

They are easy to spot. Usually some spittle is hanging from their lower lip and their eyes have a dull glassy look.

[Kreij]

The US Government currently runs the Post Office system, USPS.
It operates at about a 7 Billion/year loss.
The US Government currently runs the only passenger train system in the US (AMTrack)
It has to be subsidized to the tune of 2.5 Billion a year to keep running.
The US Government manages Medicare.
It's virtually bankrupt.
The US Goverment manages the FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance)
It does not have enough money to cover the all the people in the event of a bank meltdown (which is what it was designed for).

A few reasons why the US Government should NOT run healthcare.

[WhiteLotus]

Originally Posted by Kreij

The US Government currently runs the Post Office system, USPS.
It operates at about a 7 Billion/year loss.
The US Government currently runs the only passenger train system in the US (AMTrack)
It has to be subsidized to the tune of 2.5 Billion a year to keep running.
The US Government manages Medicare.
It's virtually bankrupt.
The US Goverment manages the FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance)
It does not have enough money to cover the all the people in the event of a bank meltdown (which is what it was designed for).

A few reasons why the US Government should NOT run healthcare.

damn. did not realise it was that bad. Sounds like they need to be reformed/restructured/sold.

[FordGT90Concept]

FDIC (people need to be able to trust their money is safe in a bank, otherwise, severe depressions happen) is important as is the USPS (a secure means to deliver government documentation). We have to fix those.

Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security need to be replaced by a new administration adapting lessons learned from their failure.

AMTrak should be sold to the highest bidder. If no one bites, cut all non-profitable routes.

[DirectorC]

That's funny I just watched last night's Daily Show where Jon Stewart was showing how every 'newscaster' at Fox was apparently coached to use the phrase 'ram this down our throats', then they showed 'ordinary citizens' speaking out against the health bill and they were instructed to use the same exact phrase, or they had just seen it on Fox news so much that they had been brainwashed into seeing the health care bill as a giant sloppy alien cock that's being rammed down their virgin throats. Funniest part is all the people (four of them) that they had talking about the health bill were all old enough to be on Socialized medicare (decrepit geriatrics don't want socialized medicine LOL). Which brings me to another point--I guess only old people who are useless to the world and on the verge of death deserve to have thousands of our tax dollars spent trying to keep them alive another day. I guess republican conservatives should want to do away with grandma's medicare too... where's their outrage over that? Oh nevermind, conservatives are still rabidly against welfare programs, you know, the same welfare programs that keep the black people they won't hire from breaking into their homes.

[CyberDruid]

If you go too far in either extreme cruelty and stupidity reign supreme.

I felt like G.W. Bush was Rammed Down My Throat.

I feel like the Iraq "Pre-Emptive Strike" was Rammed Down My Throat.

I feel like the Bush Administration War Spending and Sloppy Financial Regulation that caused out economic meltdown was Rammed Down My Throat.

Making sure we can travel efficiently by train, caring for our elders and disadvantaged, educating the future generations is not scarey to me.

I think we can cut our costs and balance the budget without reducing entitlements or social services.

In comparison to our military spending social services are a pittance.

Our nation spends far too much money making war and policing the world. We need to return the the focus to our Domestic Challenges.

[WhiteLotus]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

FDIC (people need to be able to trust their money is safe in a bank, otherwise, severe depressions happen) is important as is the USPS (a secure means to deliver government documentation). We have to fix those.

Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security need to be replaced by a new administration adapting lessons learned from their failure.

AMTrak should be sold to the highest bidder. If no one bites, cut all non-profitable routes.

Govt. public services should run at a break even. If they run at a profit, then they can afford to cut the price of (in this example) train tickets. More people would use the trains if the services were good enough, cutting CO2 emissions per capita. Double whammy...

[FordGT90Concept]

There's only two classes of trains that get regular use: freight and public transportation. Freight is private (BNSF, UP, etc.). Public is city-owned. The only area where AMTrak makes money is in the Northeast (routes between Washington D.C., New York City, and Boston). They run trains all over the USA though and the lion's share of those are not profitable.

Most people that have to travel long distances opt to drive there themselves, catch a plane, or ride a bus. Very few opt for trains/AMTrak.

[jmcslob]

I must admit I belong to a few Political Organizations (polar opposites)
and one thing I'm sure of is that both sides think this is a done deal by March's end.

And when both sides are so sure it usually happens within 30 days...

Of the messages I have received:

One stated break out the Champagne

The other Stated that the other side will be forcing a Health Care We cannot afford soon...


I honestly believe just before or after Easter The US will have it's Health Care reform..

I don't believe many Republicans will Honestly stand up to this as They believe any hold ups will cost them seats and Obama has backed his fellow Dems into a Corner


Edit: Historic agreement on Christmas That Failed and it will rise again for Easter... wah ahhhhhh.. It's a miracle

The problem with Most Public run systems such as the USPS and AmTrak is that over the years Stupid Free Market policies have been implemented to include Sub Contractors That initially created cost savings but quickly Vanished when those public services became dependent upon those Sub Contractors, then Prices sky rocketed...

It's the same Dumbass thinking that put GM and Chrysler into Debt...

There truly is no way around it...Doing something yourself is always! CHEAPER when you do it in House...Yes when things work like this happen fewer people get rich HOWEVER more people Have more money on Average witch leads to a Stable Market under any circumstances

EDIT EDIT:
The shit of it is that there are more people than not that will benefit from this than not....Face it...It's better to wait to get surgery than to never even have the chance to get it right Which is where MOST Americans are...

People may be right..The Govt may fuck this up...But it's already fucked up for more than not!


EDIT EDIT EDIT: The title was chosen Because of it's fitting Irony

[FordGT90Concept]

Nothing has changed between now and a year ago...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=i6NwS4ZDPNr

Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak says he will bring down the final health care bill if abortion language isn't modified.

The only way the bill isn't dead is if the House accepts the Senate version as-is (changing it would require a revote in the Senate and the Democrats don't have the votes for it). There is strong opposition among Democrats in the House and Republicans generally oppose. It is no more likely to pass this month than it was six months ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...are/index.html

The president said his nearly $1 trillion proposal is a compromise plan that combines the best ideas of both Democrats and Republicans.

...and that's the reason why even some Democrats oppose it.

[jmcslob]

Dude trust me this is a done Deal...

The Dems really are going to Ram it...

EDIT: those issues were already discussed...
They are still being regurgitated by Republicans who still think that stirring up Controversy will bring personal positive attention to them in their soon to be contested districts..

It's going to happen for real this time....

I know it's so dumbassish to say this but wait...you will see By the end of this month...

But look at it like this.....

If I'm wrong


You get to really stuff in my face right...

[Kreij]

The problem with Most Public run systems such as the USPS and AmTrak is that over the years Stupid Free Market policies have been implemented to include Sub Contractors That initially created cost savings but quickly Vanished when those public services became dependent upon those Sub Contractors, then Prices sky rocketed...

This is exactly one of the reasons that the government should not be in the business of providing services that are better suited to the private sector.

The USPS could be completely sold off to private firms, and they could keep only enough infrastructure to manage governmental needs. There is no reason the USPS has to handle all the junk mail and letters to Aunt Bessy. They also epically failed to adequately assess the effect that e-mail and electronic banking would have on the postal system.

AMTrack is just a disaster. It's more expensive than any other form of transportation (gee, I wonder why no one is taking our trains ) for the consumer. Rail system, by their nature, are very expense to maintain. Time to get out and let the private sector evolve what the rail system should become, as at the moment it is a dinosaur of century old technology which needs to be replaced. Let the people who can make money off it manage it, don't just fund it because you always did.

As always, just my 2 cents.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

Dude trust me this is a done Deal...

The Dems really are going to Ram it...

EDIT: those issues were already discussed...
They are still being regurgitated by Republicans who still think that stirring up Controversy will bring personal positive attention to them in their soon to be contested districts..

It's going to happen for real this time....

I know it's so dumbassish to say this but wait...you will see By the end of this month...

But look at it like this.....

If I'm wrong


You get to really stuff in my face right...

His proposed bills fixes some problems but makes others...like making "undercover patients" (WTF?) and throwing more money at States and other issues which only increase the skyrocketing deficit further. He's taking the dumbass approach: one big bill so he can call it ObamaCare. A smart President would offer small legislation one at a time which corrects specific issues of the healthcare system. There's no way he's going to pass a $1 trillion bill. It's too freakin' much of China's money.

On that note, I thought I read somewhere that China is no longer buying up USA debt so the value of the dollar is starting to drop...quickly.