The Life of a Coca Farmer

[DaMulta]

I wonder how much jail time you would get in the us for doing that.

[PP Mguire]

A shit ton. I have a friend thats doing 25 for creating, running, and maintaining a meth lab in my home town. It exploded and the cops found out. When he got outa the hospital he was tried and sent to prison. Im sure making coke will get you more jail time but you could hide it alot easier than an exploding meth lab. Specially if you live around some forests.

[twilyth]

I don't know about now, but in the late 80's and early 90's in NJ, there was a tremendous amount of difference even from one county to the next. If you got busted for possession with intent to distribute in one county for example, as a first time offender, there was a good chance you would get off with probation (depending on the quantity). The same bust in the next county over could get you several years of jail time. It was crazy.

But manufacture and sale of a narcotic was pretty much guaranteed jail time no matter where you were. But 25 years? IDK.

[Papahyooie]

Meth carries a much stiffer penalty than cocaine. 25 to life is standard for operating a meth lab now, which is a federal law, so locality has no effect on it.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by Papahyooie

Meth carries a much stiffer penalty than cocaine. 25 to life is standard for operating a meth lab now, which is a federal law, so locality has no effect on it.

Damned mandatory minimums huh? Maybe they're justified in a lot of cases - maybe even most - but definitely not all. Just my opinion though.

[Steevo]

Legalize it and tax the shit out of it.

[JC316]

Man, no way would I want to sniff something that was processed with cement and gasoline.....

[Deusxmachina]

Meth is nasty stuff. I should know; I watch "Breaking Bad"!

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by twilyth

Damned mandatory minimums huh? Maybe they're justified in a lot of cases - maybe even most - but definitely not all. Just my opinion though.

Yes it's 20 years+

I have a friend that is in for just buying over the counter pills, and batteries at the same time. They gave him 15 years for it! For not even doing anything yet IMO the law is crazy.

[theJesus]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

Yes it's 20 years+

I have a friend that is in for just buying over the counter pills, and batteries at the same time. They gave him 15 years for it! For not even doing anything yet IMO the law is crazy.

Seriously? WTF. I'll remember not to do that from now on . . .

[A Cheese Danish]

I mistook the title as "Cocoa Farmer" and was like why would anyone get jail time for harvesting cocoa.
Then I realized it was "Coca"...And then I felt stupid and had to post.

[theJesus]

Originally Posted by A Cheese Danish

I mistook the title as "Cocoa Farmer" and was like why would anyone get jail time for harvesting cocoa.
Then I realized it was "Coca"...And then I felt stupid and had to post.

I did that like five times before I just watched the damn video lol.

[DaMulta]

Seriously, if you have two parts of a meth lab together(well the cold pills and another thing otherwise it's 3 times together). Then more or less your guilty of what you could do with it.

It's crazy, but there is a ton of people in jail for it. From what I head it's starting to be the number one reason to be locked up in my state. Walmart has been calling the police on people buying the combo. Then they pull them over, and or follow them home and arrest them for it.

[A Cheese Danish]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

It's crazy, but there is a ton of people in jail for it. From what I head it's starting to be the number one reason to be locked up in my state. Walmart has been calling the police on people buying the combo. Then they pull them over, and or follow them home and arrest them for it.

That is pretty ridiculous. Although, just buying OTC pills and batteries without anything else
does kind of seem suspicious. However, there are many combination's as to why a person
would only be shopping for those items. And the majority are overlooked.

[theJesus]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

Seriously, if you have two parts of a meth lab together(well the cold pills and another thing otherwise it's 3 times together). Then more or less your guilty of what you could do with it.

It's crazy, but there is a ton of people in jail for it. From what I head it's starting to be the number one reason to be locked up in my state. Walmart has been calling the police on people buying the combo. Then they pull them over, and or follow them home and arrest them for it.

OK, so somebody that doesn't know shit about meth labs has a cold, and sees that batteries are on sale while he's out buying cold pills. He gets arrested because he decided to buy the batteries too.

Meanwhile, somebody who does know just buys the items from separate stores and doesn't get arrested . . .

[twilyth]

What's really funny to me is the fact that you can go to jail for decades for trying to cook meth, but you can get a script for dexadrine or ritalin probably with less effort than what it would take to get a course of antibiotics.

Then, to really top it off, they decided to make it a requirement for any schedule II narcotic (like an amphetamine) that you had to see your doctor every month for a new prescription - no refills.

But that only made doctors want to prescribe it more because it meant guaranteed income for them. Normally a patient might have to go in 4 times a year, but every patient on an ADD or ADHD med had to come in 12 times a year. Ka-ching.

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by theJesus

OK, so somebody that doesn't know shit about meth labs has a cold, and sees that batteries are on sale while he's out buying cold pills. He gets arrested because he decided to buy the batteries too.

Meanwhile, somebody who does know just buys the items from separate stores and doesn't get arrested . . .

Unless that person just happened to get pulled over, and they found those two things together...


The items should say on them that together could cause jail time. Only that they say that it's a felony to use them in any other manor than listed on the package.

It's a crazy law, and I bet it's happening across the US. Even meth heads shouldn't go to jail this way IMO you should have to be caught doing a crime before going to jail for it.I guess it falls under conspiracy to do something.

[theJesus]

That's just fucked up.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

I guess it falls under conspiracy to do something.

That sounds right. An essential element of a conspiracy charge is that you have to perform an "overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy." So if they have wiretaps of you planning to cook meth or something like that, any action you perform to facilitate the conspiracy would be the last element of the crime that they need to prove. So even though the act itself is outwardly innocent, it ties you to the conspiracy.

[theJesus]

Originally Posted by twilyth

That sounds right. An essential element of a conspiracy charge is that you have to perform an "overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy." So if they have wiretaps of you planning to cook meth or something like that, any action you perform to facilitate the conspiracy would be the last element of the crime that they need to prove. So even though the act itself is outwardly innocent, it ties you to the conspiracy.

That's perfectly fine in your example of them having the wiretaps. Otherwise, I don't think it should be considered enough evidence by itself.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by theJesus

That's perfectly fine in your example of them having the wiretaps. Otherwise, I don't think it should be considered enough evidence by itself.

You're right, it probably wouldn't be since you could never show the intent (mens rea) that is required for a criminal charge.

[Papahyooie]

I'd have a hard time believing that someone would go to jail for simply buying two pieces of paraphernalia. Carrying paraphernalia in a car is indeed a crime in most places (afaik) so I guess they could get you for that but it carries nowhere near a 15 year prison sentence. Most of the time if you buy such things they put you on an FBI watch list. My father is on such lists because, being an owner-operator trucker he has bought large quantities of ether for different purposes (starter fluid, inflating tires, etc.) I also have family members who have been in the meth business, so they probably watch him even closer, however he's never been arrested for it. Id be hard pressed to believe that someone would get a prison sentence for just buying batteries and OTC medicine. Perhaps if they had a drug record.

[DannibusX]

It's like carrying a baseball bat in your car with no ball or glove can be construed as having a weapon, and if it's hidden from view it could be considered concealed.

Meth is a poison and people caught manufacturing it should be sent to prison for a long time. 25 years may be excessive, but 10 would be appropriate.

The laws controlling the sale of pills containing ephedrine have curbed the ease of access to the ingredients for the drug and enterprising methheads are distilling piss to recycle the drug now.

Legalizing some drugs and taxing them is a decent idea, but meth should not be legal in any way, shape or form.

[theJesus]

Originally Posted by DannibusX

Legalizing some drugs and taxing them is a decent idea, but meth should not be legal in any way, shape or form.

Damn straight.

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by Papahyooie

I'd have a hard time believing that someone would go to jail for simply buying two pieces of paraphernalia. Carrying paraphernalia in a car is indeed a crime in most places (afaik) so I guess they could get you for that but it carries nowhere near a 15 year prison sentence. Most of the time if you buy such things they put you on an FBI watch list. My father is on such lists because, being an owner-operator trucker he has bought large quantities of ether for different purposes (starter fluid, inflating tires, etc.) I also have family members who have been in the meth business, so they probably watch him even closer, however he's never been arrested for it. Id be hard pressed to believe that someone would get a prison sentence for just buying batteries and OTC medicine. Perhaps if they had a drug record.

The reason they are cracking down so hard is because it's so hard to catch them. Battery dope takes about 30 USD to make a few hundred dollar stash along with 1 hour of time.

There is normally just 2 cooks, and then 2 or 3 friends that use up everything that is made. It's not the old fashion one cook 100 people below him anymore. At least around here that is. It's all over the news all the time..

Originally Posted by yogurt_21

sniff sniff, do you smell something? I do, I think they call it bs.

no way you get jail time for buying batteries and meds at the same time. You're local walmart idiot may have called on your freind but I'm more thinking it was the pot with the scale and the individual baggies that got him arested and the fact that it was his 3rd strike that he got 15 years.

I have another friend that just got out for other things that was telling me it's the main thing they are locking people up for.

You may of bought the batteries for your kids camera, but you have to have your day in court to prove it.