Democrat civil war -- letter to Rush Limbaugh

[Deusxmachina]

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/10/27/an-op...his-listeners/

It's an open letter to Rush Limbaugh by a Hillary/former-Democrat voter. It's a long read. Here's some still-long snippets:

I don’t think even you understand just how much damage Obama has done to the Democrat Party — to the point where formerly lifelong Democrats like myself, and everyone here at HillBuzz.org, are actively working to expose the party and literally burn it to the ground for the good of the country.

May 31st, 2008 was a day when Hillary “babes” (as you call us sometimes) like us flew to Washington in large numbers to stand outside the Marriott near the National Zoo, where this Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting was held, to shout for the DNC to count all the votes and operate the nominating process fairly — but they refused. The anger over that day has never abated. In fact, it’s grown considerably since then. Exit polls showed 8 million PUMA voted Republican for the first time in our lives in the fall of 2008…casting ballots for McCain/Palin

You seem to know most of all this, so I’ll end the history lesson by noting the people alienated by the Democrat Party during the primaries in 2008 — where it was clear the party and the media colluded at great lengths to push Obama while hammering Hillary Clinton into the ground — never came back to the Democrat Party.
I can’t imagine ever voting for another Democrat again, as long as I live. To Hell with Democrats. This was solidified for me on Christmas Eve of last year, when Democrats rushed Obamacare through the Senate in the dead of night, through various secret channels, and every single Democrat voted for its passage

While I was always aware Democrats use unions and other means to cheat in elections, I never knew the Democrat Party was capable of the large-scale, aggressive, unapologetic fraud it committed on Obama’s behalf all through 2008. In Iowa, I watched Obama’s ACORN and SEIU goons push and shove old people, bully them, and intimidate them when they wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton.

I saw scores of Illinois license plates fill the parking lots outside caucus locations, with Chicagoland Obama supporters illegally entering the Caucus sites to vote for Obama and game Iowa for him. Having planned ahead, Obama supporters actually RAN those caucus sites, and held the doors open for all these fraudulent voters to walk right in, without being asked for IDs, where they then took control of the caucuses and bullied the Iowa residents into supporting Obama — lest they be called RAAACISTS! out in the open in front of their friends and neighbors in those open-air caucuses.

But in a bigger sense, Democrats, by being so shameless and aggressive with the voter fraud in 2008 have opened too many eyes for us to ever go back to pretending that fraud and corrupt practices aren’t the hallmark of the Democrat Party.
But, in 2008 the Democrats revealed themselves to be an SD6 conglomeration of every force in this country that wants to bring America down, tank our economy, usurp our Constitution, and lay waste to the American way of life.
Democrats took off the mask. The DNC reveled in being fully Leftist-controlled. Crazy people unapologetic in their Communist admiration took over positions of great influence not just in the DNC, but in our state and federal governments as well.

Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama took the mask off the Democrat Party…and the Leftist gorgon that lurked beneath is something America-loving, middleclass, Jacksonian/Clintonian Democrats want nothing to do with.

As part of your “Reverse Operation Chaos”, you really need to emphasize something the media just won’t talk about — and that’s the simple fact that even if you called yourself a Democrat for 32 years, the way I did, because everyone you grew up with and everyone in your family was a Democrat, that in 2010 it’s time to ask yourselves what that really means.

Do you want to be in a party that calls people racists for stepping out of line and voicing opposition to the socialist lurch of the current administration?

Do you condone voter fraud and the shameless, undemocratic tactics employed by Democrats?

Do you wish to associate with the likes of ACORN, the SEIU, the Black Panthers, and all the other thugs, goons, and degenerates the Obama campaign and White House employ as the DNC’s muscle on the ground?

It is crystal clear that being a patriotic American who loves this country is intellectually incompatible with being a Democrat. If you love America and want it to prosper, the Democrat Party is at absolute odds with everything we need for a thriving, successful economy.

We will not forget those Obamacare votes. We will not forgive being called a racist because we don’t support this terrible man and his awful agenda. We will not be silenced.

He sounds really mad.

"It is crystal clear that being a patriotic American who loves this country is intellectually incompatible with being a Democrat."

[Deusxmachina]

http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/1/699575.html

A comment from another former Democrat. She sounds really mad, too!

Posted by: Lynn
Oct 29, 07:33 AM

Most of you have it wrong. There are former Democrats, like myself, working hard to get Republicans elected. We won't be voting for any Dems in 2010. It may have started with Hillary Clinton, but it has become much bigger then you realize. Progressive policies aren't what any of us wanted. Neither is voter fraud, mysoginy, voter intimidation, bailouts, or Obamacare.

Not only do we feel the Democratic Party has changed for the worse, but we are intent on burning it to the ground. Most of us have become Independents, Tea Party, or Repub. As Kevin has stated on more then one occasion, I will never vote Democrat again.

This is, for many of us, much much bigger then party affiliation. it is much bigger then any of us. This is about our country and the appalling leadership in Congress who want to destroy our Constitution.

The local Repubs are happy to work with me to make changes, they know something a lot of people don't seem to get, Disenfranchised Democrats are your secret weapon. On election day, we will make a difference because we care as much as you do and are just as angry, if not more so then you are, at the far left. They stole our party from us and have called us racists, bigots, xenophobic, and we won't put up with that.

OH is going Red and it isn't just Republicans turning it that way. Remember one thing, having us around has not diminished the Repubs we've enhanced your numbers. I've kept my Dem registration until after the elections to send a message to the Dims in power and the DNC. When I cast my vote for Peter Corrigan, John Kasich and Rob Portman, I will be proudly voting for a Republican.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Riiiiight. Because the PUMAs et. al. were sooooo successful in 2008...errr wait. Didn`t President Obama win by the largest electoral and popular vote totals since Reagan in `84?



And anyone who uses so many Right wing talking points (especially calling the Democratic Party the Democrat Party) has obviously never been a Democrat.

Both of them are trolling.

But then again you already knew that. Where`d you get your posts directly from Drudge, or via RedState?

Try hurrrrr durrrrrr

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Both of them are trolling.

But then again you already knew that. Where`d you get your posts directly from Drudge, or via RedState?

Try hurrrrr durrrrrr

I wonder where I got that main post from... hmm, as can be seen in the link I posted, it's directly from hillbuzz.org, and hillbuzz.org's editor-in-chief, who if you look through the archives there has been pushing Hillary since before the last election.

hurrrrr durrrrr

Who's trolling again? Oh yeah, that would be you.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

I wonder where I got that main post from... hmm, as can be seen in the link I posted, it's directly from hillbuzz.org, and hillbuzz.org's editor-in-chief, who if you look through the archives there has been pushing Hillary since before the last election.

If you did some actual research outside of the FAQ page of the site, you would find that Kevin Dujan (the owner and proprietor or HillBuzz) is a KNOWN Republican operative who (while he states otherwise) was never involved in the Hillary for President campaign (random picture of him with Hillary notwithstanding).

However his site has received funding from known conservative funding organizations and is pushing for Sarah Palin for President (I laughed my ass off when I read that).
http://www.blogger.com/profile/03332013511651428837

I'm Independent now, and a strong supporter of Governor Sarah Palin and other Mamma Grizzlies out there who will stick it to the Cocktail Party establishment and fight to get America back on track...and free from the influence of George Soros and the Left, in all their forms.

And yes, you linked directly from HillBuzz but I sincerely doubt you found that link from Google. You likely got it linked from a known conservative aggregates like Drudge, RedState.

Here is Mr. Dujan not hanging out with Hillary:



Here is Mr. Dujan at a McCain campaign site wearing a campaign button (and for someone who "left" the "Democrat" party after President Obama signed the stimulous bill he certainly got a nice head start:



Anyway...cheers

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

If you did some actual research outside of the FAQ page of the site, you would find that Kevin Dujan (the owner and proprietor or HillBuzz) is a KNOWN Republican operative who (while he states otherwise) was never involved in the Hillary for President campaign (random picture of him with Hillary notwithstanding).

Go ahead and post that actual research then about Kevin Dujan. Show me where he is a KNOWN Republican operative who was never involved in the Hillary for President campaign. It should be pretty easy to find, but I don't see it, so post up some links for me and I'll say you're right.

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

However his site has received funding from known conservative funding organizations and is pushing for Sarah Palin for President (I laughed my ass off when I read that).

He despises Obama and the arrogant, deceitful members of the Democratic Party. He says he's now an Independent. It's no surprise if conservatives fund him. Obama got a million bucks from Goldman Sachs. Does that automatically mean he's in the pocket of Goldman Sachs?

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

And yes, you linked directly from HillBuzz but I sincerely doubt you found that link from Google. You likely got it linked from a known conservative aggregates like Drudge, RedState.

There are links to that letter all over the internet now. But let's say I did get it from Drudge or RedState. So what? What's your point?

Be sure to post that easy-to-find, actual research about Kevin Dujan.

edit: btw, that McCain/button/stimulus bill stuff you wrote, in that very link you posted he says "I was a lifelong Democrat until May 31st, 2008."

[Polaris573]

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

"It is crystal clear that being a patriotic American who loves this country is intellectually incompatible with being a Democrat."

Wow way to lower the political discourse. Being a blustery buffoon is incompatible with being a patriotic American. If you can't get your point across without spewing hate speech don't even bother saying anything.

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by Polaris573

Wow way to lower the political discourse. Being a blustery buffoon is incompatible with being a patriotic American. If you can't get your point across without spewing hate speech don't even bother saying anything.

So Kevin Dujan, a lifelong Democrat whose party left him, who gives specific examples of how terrible the party has become, (sort of like neocons taking over the Republican Party and conservatives saying their party left them), is spewing hate speech? Interesting. I think I'll quote Kevin again on that one:

...even if you called yourself a Democrat for 32 years, the way I did, because everyone you grew up with and everyone in your family was a Democrat, that in 2010 it’s time to ask yourselves what that really means.

Do you want to be in a party that calls people racists for stepping out of line and voicing opposition to the socialist lurch of the current administration?

Do you condone voter fraud and the shameless, undemocratic tactics employed by Democrats?

Do you wish to associate with the likes of ACORN, the SEIU, the Black Panthers, and all the other thugs, goons, and degenerates the Obama campaign and White House employ as the DNC’s muscle on the ground?

If you love America and want it to prosper, the Democrat Party is at absolute odds with everything we need for a thriving, successful economy.

[jmcslob]

@ Deusxmachina
I think you will figure out at some point that you are voting against your own best interests or that of a Majority of Americans.

But it is America and you have that right.
YAY Democratic Republic 2 Party Representative form of Government at it's finest

[ProgressiveTokyo]

I would research and answer your questions but this thread has exceeded my research quota and I have to go to a Halloween party. You wanna research? Show me where he was active in the Democratic party prior to his "Democrat hatespeach site" was launched. Bet ya cant.

This guy is a wing nut. There is not enough dissatisfaction in the world to make a true "former" Democrat join the Carabou Barbie Team Palin.

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

@ Deusxmachina
I think you will figure out at some point that you are voting against your own best interests or that of a Majority of Americans.

Since you must have peeked at my ballot the other day and know who I voted for, feel free to tell me how that goes against my best interests.

It seems to be the Majority of Americans do not like what the Democratic Party has been up to lately. Kevin Dujan is one example of that. I just read this in the "Goodbye Traitorous Scum" thread:

However, despite some notable successes — the stimulus package, health care reform, tighter rules for the financial industry — things have not gone according to plan. Just two years later, Democrats face a bad economy, a skeptical public, a re-energized Republican Party and a coming avalanche of losses in the midterm elections.

What happened? One important explanation is that divisions inside the Democratic coalition, which held together during the 2008 campaign, have come spilling out into the open. Conservative Democrats have opposed key elements of the president’s agenda, while liberal Democrats have howled that their majority is being hijacked by a rogue group of predominantly white men from small rural states.

The author asks what happened. What happened is a Democratic Party that gave everyone what they thought they wanted, and forced it through. The Obamacare bill sucked so bad that even Democrats didn't want to vote for it, and the only way it got passed was with backroom bribes.

We'll know whether it's true or not in a few days, but it Seems like, 1) If you voted for Obamacare, you're done. 2) If you voted for the stimulus bill, you're done. etc. That author calls such things "notable successes," but they may just prove to be the opposite.

Now, those aren't hard and fast rules, and there's more to it than that, and I'm just typing quick here, but that seems to be the vibe I've been getting about Tuesday. The vibe Seems like the Majority of Americans are, simply put, really fuckin' pissed.

A similar thing happened to the Republican Party not long ago. They didn't listen to the people enough, they did some bonehead things, and the people let them know it. And then they started to get their shit together a bit more. The Democratic Party needs a good, swift kick in the ass, and the Majority of Americans may just give it to them in a couple days. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

A funny part about that is even ProgressiveTokyo said a similar thing in that other thread I quoted from. He hopes the Democratic Party gets a swift kick in the ass, too. Perhaps for different reasons, but hey. And that kind of ties into the "hate speech" aspect of it and all that. That, right now, whether you're a righty righter or a lefty lefter, the Democratic Party sucks ass. And if Democrats want the party to be better, they should welcome a good ass-kickin'.

Re-read the things Kevin Dujan mentioned. ACORN, backroom deals, union thuggery, voter tampering, Nancy freakin' Pelosi, etc. Is this what the Democratic Party is about?

[Polaris573]

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

So Kevin Dujan, a lifelong Democrat whose party left him, who gives specific examples of how terrible the party has become, (sort of like neocons taking over the Republican Party and conservatives saying their party left them), is spewing hate speech? Interesting. I think I'll quote Kevin again on that one:

I was referring specifically to what YOU said not what you quoted. THe part about being a democrat and patriotic American not being possible. That is hate speech whether you like it or not. It's not what you're saying rather the ignorant way you're saying it. You know better, you just WANT to be rude. Don't worry it's normal. People demonize what doesn't belong to them, whether it be a political belief set or a car (Chevy vs. Ford). Just do the world a favor and fight the urge. I think you're better than than that.

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

I would research and answer your questions but this thread has exceeded my research quota and I have to go to a Halloween party. You wanna research? Show me where he was active in the Democratic party prior to his "Democrat hatespeach site" was launched. Bet ya cant.

So you're trying to do another drive-by then?

YOU'RE the one who said Kevin Dujan is a KNOWN Republican operative, and that all it takes is some actual research to prove it. It should be easy since you apparently already know. So prove it.

It seems to be quite important to you to show that what Kevin Dujan wrote is somehow not the truth by linking him to being a KNOWN Republican operative. So prove it.

And then, after you are done proving it, go ahead and explain what part of his letter you take issue with. Is he lying when he says he saw voter thuggery? Is he lying that he and others who don't like Obama were called racists? Is he lying about the Black Panthers? Is he lying about ACORN? Is he lying about Nancy Pelosi? You've posted three times already in this thread and still haven't said what you disagree with what he wrote other than, "I don't think he was a Democrat."

You say I got the story link from a place like Drudge or Red State. I asked, "So what?" I now again ask, "So what?"

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by Polaris573

I was referring specifically to what YOU said not what you quoted. It's not what you're saying rather the ignorant way you're saying it. You know better, you just WANT to be rude. Don't worry it's normal. People demonize what doesn't belong to them, whether it be a political belief set or a car (Chevy vs. Ford). Just do the world a favor and fight the urge. I think you're better than than that.

Even ProgressiveTokyo wants the current Democratic Party's ass kicked. Heck, his other thread post is titled "Goodbye Traitorous Scum" followed by "good riddance." Kinda sounds like hate speech.... but I suppose he gets a free pass.

"Rude" is someone doing drive-bys.

What "ignorant way" did I say in this thread? You already said it wasn't my quoting and then the smiley there, so that's not it. And then ProgressiveTokyo starts some crap that he apparently won't finish. I asked him to explain himself and to finish it. So no "ignorance" or "rudeness" from ProgressiveTokyo in this thread then?

What did I say in those first posts in an ignorant manner, and what did I say that was "hate speech"?

And something like "Don't worry it's normal. People demonize what doesn't belong to them, whether it be a political belief set or a car (Chevy vs. Ford). Just do the world a favor and fight the urge." isn't said in a rude or ignorant manner?

[DannibusX]

This thread is like watching 4 fat chicks fight over the last corndog.

Much like American politics.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Deux.. Ive personally had enough of your shit.

You are now on my ignore list so dont bother responding. Good Day Sir

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Deux.. Ive personally had enough of your shit.

You are now on my ignore list so dont bother responding. Good Day Sir

Why? He brought up valid questions that you failed to answer. I don't see why you don't just back up your claims like he asks? I, for one, don't really know if your claims are true or not, and don't really care, but he has a point on how you state things as fact without evidence.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Polaris573

I was referring specifically to what YOU said not what you quoted. THe part about being a democrat and patriotic American not being possible. That is hate speech whether you like it or not. It's not what you're saying rather the ignorant way you're saying it. You know better, you just WANT to be rude. Don't worry it's normal. People demonize what doesn't belong to them, whether it be a political belief set or a car (Chevy vs. Ford). Just do the world a favor and fight the urge. I think you're better than than that.

Originally Posted by Deusxmachina

Even ProgressiveTokyo wants the current Democratic Party's ass kicked. Heck, his other thread post is titled "Goodbye Traitorous Scum" followed by "good riddance." Kinda sounds like hate speech.... but I suppose he gets a free pass.

"Rude" is someone doing drive-bys.

What "ignorant way" did I say in this thread? You already said it wasn't my quoting and then the smiley there, so that's not it. And then ProgressiveTokyo starts some crap that he apparently won't finish. I asked him to explain himself and to finish it. So no "ignorance" or "rudeness" from ProgressiveTokyo in this thread then?

What did I say in those first posts in an ignorant manner, and what did I say that was "hate speech"?

And something like "Don't worry it's normal. People demonize what doesn't belong to them, whether it be a political belief set or a car (Chevy vs. Ford). Just do the world a favor and fight the urge." isn't said in a rude or ignorant manner?

I think you 2 are having a misunderstanding. In the original post, the "crystal clear" statement is in quotes. Doesn't that make them somebody else's words, and not from deus?

I'll let deus clarify.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Why? He brought up valid questions that you failed to answer. I don't see why you don't just back up your claims like he asks? I, for one, don't really know if your claims are true or not, and don't really care, but he has a point on how you state things as fact without evidence.

I am tired of living up to a double standard and him DEMANDING I prove every little thing, while he posts total crap without ever linking to any source whatsoever. Shit 99% of the posts in the Political area are posted without any citing, linking or any other "proof" (actually something that has bothered me because most discussion boards Ive attended you MUST backlink). So he can keep whining and crying about it, but I dont feel like seeing it.

Anyway one can not dress up a pig, you will only get dirty and piss off the pig.

And one can not reason with unreasonable people.

Im tired of him specifically and dont want to see anything he has to say any more.

[MT Alex]

A surprising turn of events from the camp of openness and forward thinking.

I best watch my Pints and Quarts

Also, I think anytime anyone uses the term "hate speech" the thread should be closed, much like bringing up Nazi Germany. What a load of dung.

[jmcslob]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

I am tired of living up to a double standard and him DEMANDING I prove every little thing, while he posts total crap without ever linking to any source whatsoever. Shit 99% of the posts in the Political area are posted without any citing, linking or any other "proof" (actually something that has bothered me because most discussion boards Ive attended you MUST backlink). So he can keep whining and crying about it, but I dont feel like seeing it.

Anyway one can not dress up a pig, you will only get dirty and piss off the pig.

And one can not reason with unreasonable people.

Im tired of him specifically and dont want to see anything he has to say any more.

actually everything he said is right...
Partially right that is....

Sure when you look at the whole situation it looks different but when you focus on 1/5 of the total picture your sure to draw a loopy conclusion...we all do it...

EXAMPLE:
He said Obama signed Death Warrants for American Citizens which is absolutely correct..Obama did sign Death Warrants on American Citizens..

And when you stop there it seems atrocious...Like WTF he's killing Americans..

But that's only a Partial truth
Now when you put it into context with the situation it doesn't seem as bad..

Such as
Obama signed Death Warrants for American Citizens that are known to be collaborating with KNOWN FOREIGN ENEMIES OF THE STATE just like every President since the 40's and probably before that.

[Deusxmachina]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

actually everything he said is right...
Partially right that is....

Sure when you look at the whole situation it looks different but when you focus on 1/5 of the total picture your sure to draw a loopy conclusion...we all do it...

EXAMPLE:
He said Obama signed Death Warrants for American Citizens which is absolutely correct..Obama did sign Death Warrants on American Citizens..

And when you stop there it seems atrocious...Like WTF he's killing Americans..

But that's only a Partial truth
Now when you put it into context with the situation it doesn't seem as bad..

Such as
Obama signed Death Warrants for American Citizens that are known to be collaborating with KNOWN FOREIGN ENEMIES OF THE STATE just like every President since the 40's and probably before that.

The reports I saw said Bush did not sign those. If you had asked for them in one of those threads, I would have told you where I read that. I don't recall you citing any sources saying the Bush administration signed those orders. If you have indeed read that about the Bush administration from a reliable source, then you should have posted those sources. What I know For Sure at this time is the Obama administration does it since it's been written about numerous times, has been said by the head National Security guy, and speeches have been made about it in front of Congress. I never saw any of that for Bush. Have you ever actually cited any sources of Bush signing those orders? You say every President has signed such orders. What I've read specifically says Bush never actually signed any.

How do we KNOW those people are KNOWN FOREIGN ENEMIES OF THE STATE? Because the state says so? What I've read says they don't show anyone their evidence, and that they don't care what anyone else says. It's similar to all the holding people for terrorism stuff. Why is that guy over there a terrorist? Because the state says so is why. What's the evidence, you ask? Sorry, that's classified.

REGARDLESS of all that, my main focus on the issue still stands: that the media and left CRUCIFIED Bush over wiretapping U.S. citizens (and rightly so). But now, they barely make a peep about Obama signing death orders for people who themselves and their own families apparently have NO CHANCE of having their day in court about it. WHY? WHY doesn't "the civil rights party" fight for these people or at least Say SOMETHING about it? The ACLU is suing the government over killing its own citizens. You'd think the story would get a little more press.

[Deusxmachina]

It's funny how ProgressiveTokyo can be all upset when I simply ask him to explain himself. He wants to make it a big deal about WHERE I first read this article. I ask him why that even matters. He doesn't answer. He says the guy is a KNOWN Republican operative. I ask him where he sees that information. He refuses to answer, and instead wants me to prove he's NOT a Republican operative. Why do I care whether the guy is a super-secret, 007 Republican operative when I mainly want to hear what people have to say about what the guy wrote? Is it not true? Are his rants about ACORN and the like not true? Once again, WHY don't Democrats care about these things? WHY do they give these issues a free pass?

If ProgressiveTokyo wants to CLAIM the guy is a 007 Republican and make a big deal out of it, great. I simply asked for SOME kind of evidence since he makes it sound like that evidence is so easy to find. And THEN he turns around and wants ME to prove his case for him! He's been hit-and-running and doing drive-bys for a while now. He says I demand he prove every little thing. Calling a guy a 007 Republican operative in order to dismiss everything he says, AND pretending that information is easy to find, is not a little thing. Saying China has a 70% corporate tax rate when it actually has a 25% rate is not a little thing.

He wants to talk about not linking or citing sources. His huge tax-the-rich thread had all sorts of dumb ideas in it. The Fed magically printing unlimited money with fairy dust that only has good results, claiming rich people don't lose purchasing power if you tax them more because everyone in that tax bracket (but not other brackets) is taxed more. It was ridiculous. And when I question some of it, he clams up. He's been going around throwing crap against walls hoping something sticks, and then leaving.

Linking? I put a link to every story and article I post. L2Read! If someone wants to question that source and put forth reasons why that source or link sucks, great, we can discuss/argue that, but I do put it up. Hell, in this thread, I thought the second post I saw from some random internet person was amusing since it mirrored the first post. It was just some random internet post I happened to read, But I Still Linked To It.

The funny part about "where did you first read that letter from" is I would have simply answered his question if he hadn't thrown in the "Drudge or Red State" part, trying to shoot the messenger instead of the message. I read the first post while perusing a random gun forum, btw, and clicking on their off-topic forum. And I happened to see the second post while browsing another site after posting an article from there in the NPR thread. (which I linked to!) I just happened to read those while browsing two sites I normally don't read. Why ProgressiveTokyo wants to make a big deal about it, I have no idea, and I guess we'll never know since he's taken his ball and gone home, doing yet another hit-and-run drive-by.

And how about that "hate speech." ProgressiveTokyo gets a free pass again? Calling the House and Senate "traitorous scum" isn't hate speech, but what I said in the first few posts here somehow is? ...Even though I didn't actually say it but was quoting. I guess my "tone" was the smiley. My bad for wanting to hear people say how what Kevin said about the Democratic Party and ACORN and how Hillary was treated and all that is wrong. ...Which no one has. Apparently Democrats are ok with those things.

So ProgressiveTokyo says "poor me" since I won't let him get away with his hit-and-run drive-bys anymore. If someone doesn't like something I post, hey, we can talk about it. Him, "the camp of openness and forward thinking," (nice1, MT Alex), he just makes up an excuse and leaves.

It's funny that just last week he said I was closed-minded or whatever for saying he should be banned for his hit-and-run drive-bys. The funny part being that I didn't say he should be banned for what he says -- I said he should be banned for what he Doesn't say because he runs away all the time! lol.

In this very thread, after ProgressiveTokyo did his "hurrr durrr," after trying to make where the letter was first seen at matter, after trying to shoot the messenger claiming Kevin is a 007 agent, I told him straight-out that if he can show some evidence of that then I will say he is right. How much better can it get? If he's right, I'll say he's right! Did he even try? Nope. He made an excuse and then ran away.

[CyberDruid]

About Nazi Germany....

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by Polaris573

Wow way to lower the political discourse. Being a blustery buffoon is incompatible with being a patriotic American. If you can't get your point across without spewing hate speech don't even bother saying anything.

see this is exactly why I'm independant because I find it impossible to be an intellectual and be a part of either party. lol jk

besides hatespeech rocks, I mean it's be all over the tv for months, and everything on tv is cool.