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Thanks PT.
I have been using Russia Today and AlJazeera for news th past couple of months. Even Malta Today is better than the US reporting. Our news reporting is very poor.
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wow, no leak, all 3 were set to be decommissioned, and they're already done with #1, almost done with #3 and working on #2.
total different story from our news here, nice to get a real rundown.
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British media is just as bad, but on the other hand its good to know that the Japanese knows what to do in emergencies.
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I wouldn't say that. Having known what caused the explosion in #1, they should have taken steps to prevent it from happening in #2. Then it happened a third time. That's pretty damn inexcusable.
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Its not that easy to handle the reactors, you know. Its easy to say "why don't they pour seawater in and be done with it", but you must know when, how much, etcetcetc. Its the minor details which causes problems. On the other hand, knowing what causes the problem does not mean that you will automatically have the answers.
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The explosions were separate from the reactors. They occured in other parts of the nuclear power plants. The suspected cause of the explosions was build up of hydrogen. As you should know, once you have hydrogen, all you need is a spark. Once they discovered the cause of the explosion at #1, they should have checked the other 11 reactors for the same conditions and done something about it (venting it, most likely) quickly.
If that weren't enough, the JSDF (Japanese Self Defense Force) arrived in areas of the country that were hit by the tsunami without heavy equipment to clear debris nor canine units that could quickly find survivors. In other words, they came wholely unprepared. Not to mention, we aren't even a week into this mess. They aren't doing a horrible job but they aren't doing excellent either. I'd say they are about on par with USA's handling of Katrina (poorly).
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http://www.educatedearth.net/nuclearjapan.php
oh crap breaking news, bad stuff happening at reactor 2. |
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Did that second explosion breach the containment vessel? If it's not holding water, I have to assume it is--or it is creating steam faster than they can fill it. I hope uranium hasn't already escaped the plant.
That would be bad joojoo.
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"I was just listening to a nuclear reactor expert on Al Jazeera explain that things are much more grim than what the Japanese officials are saying at their press releases. The 2nd explosion happened as "water levels were so low they exposed the fuel rods", but why were the water levels so low suddenly? He said the only explanation was that the actual core was now leaking and boiling away all the water at a faster rate than what was previously being pumped in, causing the pressure to rise and a reactor container to explode.
This 3rd explosion now may only reinforce what he was saying: the core is leaking. All those brave men and women working around the clock to keep the reactors cool essentially know they are going to die within a month from the radiation exposure, but they are sticking with it to save their country. This is straight from the expert's mouth. He was visibly distraught because the physics of what the press releases are saying don't add up right. Edit Two anchors on NHK TV, a news channel from Japan, have a little dry-erase board mock up of the nuclear reactor. They are describing the containment vessel with the fuel rods and the water cooling it off to the television. They just said that this 3rd explosion has damaged the containment vessel, and explained that the containment vessel is now the last vessel protecting the outside world from the radioactive material. They said this means that it is very likely that the radioactive material is now exposed and leaking after this 3rd explosion. Edit 2 There is a conference being held right now by the people who are directly managing the cooling process, The Tokyo Electric Power Company. They are being very vague and keep "apologizing for the inconvenience and concerns" this situation is bringing about in the public. Media members keep asking questions about what actually happened and insisted multiple times "we just want the facts" because the explosion that just occurred was not from hydrogen build up and the officials are not answering their specific questions about the damage or its implications. Edit 3 Tensions seem to be very high at the conference. The media is asking questions and the officials are still being vague and not giving them direct answers. To get an idea of their vague replies: Someone asked what the reasoning behind the workers reportedly evacuating because of the explosion. The official replied along the lines of "Because there was a sound." You can see why frustrations are increasing during this conference. Edit 4 The conference ended with the officials saying the pressure inside the vessel has gone down and that they can increase the water levels, but the people at the conference keep asking how they can do all of this if the vessel is damaged and broken. It is my final analysis of that conference that the officials may not know the extent (if any) of the damage of the vessel, but the media at the conference feel like something is terribly wrong and could not get any direct answers from the officials. Facts that can be taken from this conference: The explosion occurred near/in the "suppression chamber" (which is located at the bottom of the containment vessel and holds the fuel rods and the water). Extent of damage is not known at the moment, but ALL THE WORKERS AT THE PLANT THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH PUMPING WATER INTO THE CHAMBER have evacuated. The core is now feared to be leaking. Edit 5 Water levels are only covering about 2.7m of the fuel rods in Reactor 2. This is "about half the length of the fuel rods." This suppression chamber is the "last line of defense" for Reactor 2, and it is now damaged. Here is the diagram the Japanese news anchors are showing of the suppression chamber, where the explosion occurred. Edit 6 Now the anchors have a guest on and they are discussing that things are very serious. They are criticizing the Tokyo Electric Power Company for being very unclear at their press conference and how the officials did not share enough information with the public to explain what the implications of this explosion means. The anchors are now concerned for the safety of the people of Japan because of how vague the Tokyo Electric Power Company was during its explanation. Edit 7 Officials now report they are observing a vapor coming from the top of Reactor 3. They are unsure of what this vapor/smoke is. Edit 8 The US Government has now said that Japan has sent out a request for help with cooling the reactors." |
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CNN just jumped briefly to it. He said the word "meltdown" has been used a lot. Very bad joojoo.
![]() I hope the second explosion wasn't caused by steam because, well, that would be the containment vessel. ![]() Glad they asked the US Government for help but what can we do now? It's too late from the sounds of it.
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"// 9:03 PM - March 14 2011
Radiation levels have skyrocketed near the front gate of the Fukushima No.1 nuclear power station, with 1 hour exposure being 8x the amount a human can healthily handle a year." |
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"Edit 9 The pressure in the suppression chamber where the cooling process occurs is now down to 1 ATM. The expert guest on NHK TV has said that this may very well mean that cracks have occurred in the chamber. 1 ATM is the normal pressure you feel everywhere on Earth, and for a SEALED suppression chamber that contains boiling water from the heat emitted from the fuel rods, the pressure should be much higher from all the vapor and gas forming inside the chamber and having no where to go. If the atmospheric pressure inside the chamber is the same as outside, this almost definitely means there are cracks in the chamber.
Edit 10 Water levels rose right after the explosion, but soon thereafter began going back down. Text on the live feed said that the water levels were too low to even be measured, but the officials insisted they are continuing to pump water into the pool. Japanese anchors are saying "this is reaching the point of worst case scenario" Edit 11: 8:20pm CT The two main stock markets in Japan have fallen between 6-7.5% today, and about 4-5% each right after news of this latest explosion broke out." |
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The only option now, if the plant is close enough to the ocean, is for an aircraft carrier to pump a crapton of water into that plant, hopefully faster than it can leave. That would require drilling several large holes in the containment vessel though which, in the long run, would probably be a bad thing. Also, I'm pretty sure the power plant is many miles inland so the odds of that happening at all are none. Yeah, they're basically screwed. Quote:
![]() Surprised it didn't drop more than that. I bet it's gonna fall at least 20% by the time the market closes today.
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"Edit: 9:00pm CT The Prime Minister of Japan will be speaking directly to the Japanese people within the hour. Actually it is happening now.
"Please listen to my message calmly....every possible method has been used to cool down the reactors. However, for reactor 1 and 2, hydrogen have come out causing explosion. Reactor 4 we have seen fire.... and radiation has spread from these reactors. And the readings of the levels seem very high. And there is still very high risk of more radioactive material coming out.." "....We need everyone from 20km from the power plant 1 to evacuate.....everyone near #2 Power Plant within 10km please move out. We are trying everything we can to make sure further radioactive leakage does not occur. Workers injecting seawater are putting themselves at extreme danger in trying to prevent further leakage." He wants everyone to "please react calmly to all the information they hear." He was asked a specific question about Reactor 2 but did not want to comment on any specific reactors, only the nuclear power plant as a whole. This ends the Prime Minister's speech Japan's Chief of Secretary (?) now talks There is now a fire at #4 reactor" There are no fuel rods in reactor 4, but there are spent fuels there that still emit heat. #4 reactor is currently burning... 1 and #3 reactors....outer containers were blown off. For #4 reactors, things fell into the reactor rather than being exploded out. Last edited by Magibeg; 03-15-2011 at 02:13 AM. |
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Secretary and Prime Minister mainly urged people to evacuate beyond the new radii they determined to reduce radiation. The secretary said they now had radiation readings as high as 400 milli-sieverts, over 1000x the amount reported earlier. This kind of radiation can make someone more fertile. The anchors are saying this is very serious and were surprised that the secretary briefly mentioned the levels were now as high as 400 millisieverts. However, much of the focus was on telling people to evacuate further. This marks the end space of Edit: 9:00pm CT
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Reactors 1 - 3 are now cooled down and have no further problems. The waste in reactor #4 (spent fuel rods) is an urgent issue now after a hydrogen explosion disturbed the waste. They are working to cool it off now.
I think this crisis could be over (from an immediate danger standpoint, obviously clean up will take a while) by tomorrow or the day after. The Japanese engineers have really brought their A game and gotten a handle on this. Phew, now lets just hope no more fucking earthquakes for a while!!! |
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William Tucker (apparently a nuke expert who wrote an op-ed in the WSJ today) was on Bloomberg. He said the containment vessel is 10ft of steel reinforced concrete and that there was/is no chance of a breach. Chernobyl apparently didn't even have a containment vessel around the core, so comparisons to that disaster are absurd. He said it is most like TMI.
edit: he also said that a test was done in the 90's where a jet was flown at 500mph into the same kind of wall and it just disappeared, it was vaporized with no significant damage to the wall. |
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Things seem to be getting worse?
![]() "Japan has officially asked the UN atomic watchdog to send a team of experts to help in the current nuclear crisis, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Yukiya Amano has said, after a second hydrogen explosion has exposed nuclear fuel rods. And earlier today Japan admitted that the radioactive leaks will effect human health Radiation from Japan's quake-stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant on the Eastern coast has reached harmful levels, the Japanese government says. The warning comes after the plant was rocked by a third blast which appears to have damaged one of the reactors' containment vessels for the first time. If it is breached, there are fears of more serious radioactive leaks. The danger zone has been extended, warning residents within 30km to evacuate or stay indoors." Read more here: http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/wo...nto-atmosphere |
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wow. using water as coolant and moderator is a good idea. what would happen if the water supply was down?
i guess the plants must be using a recycled supply of deuterium dioxide(heavy water) as the moderator and simple water as the coolant? and since the reactor 1 as been drowned with sea water (which also is to some extent heavy water) will this water be put back into the sea again?? will it be safe??
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1. There is plenty of water unles the pumps fail - as has happened in this case 2. Don't know 3. it will not go back to the ocean but if it did, there would be no problem. The water itself doesn't become radioactive, it can be filtered to contaoin the contaminants. |
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Best explanation of how the Japanese Reactors work yet. Explains why a reactor most continue to be cooled even when the boron rods are in place. Explains why Hydrogen is produced. Unfortunately Twilyth won't know about this because he refuses to watch YouTube videos.
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Just read some of the titles and captions on the articles about this.
"Worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl" LOL yeah it's quite easy to be the worst when you're the only nuclear accident since Chernobyl.
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