American or European? - Page 3

frankie827 · 05-25-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

I would keep the wheels stock.

Rims are for people who think they're gangsta.

Same with minor lowering and tint.

I'm a white, red blooded, German-American!

i agree with you, but i'd consider changing the rims with rims from other cars made by that car maker just fine.

frankie827 · 05-25-2009, 05:30 AM

ok, i do have to admit that the nissan gt-r is a beast of a car!

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 05:32 AM

Yeah, but nothing ridiculously big.

I like a good thick tire, especially on sedans like the Passat I'm looking to score.

Makes the damage of a wheel when going over rougher roads much less likely, and here in KY, it's easy to ruin a wheel by driving the speed limit in the city due to the debris, construction, etc.

Also, Nissan GTR is only a beast of a car because it's computer regulated out the ass. Still gets stomped from a roll by even mediocrely fast cars.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

I would keep the wheels stock.

Rims are for people who think they're gangsta.

Same with minor lowering and tint.

I'm a white, red blooded, German-American!

I'm not talking 22's

Keep it simple 18's at most for me, I'm really happy with the 17"s that came on my GTX stock, but like the old 15" or 16" on my SHO's thats when something needs rims, most new cars don't though unless they are really ugly. And last time I checked 18's weren't Gangsta

Minor lowering though, I am not talking about springs and done. I am far from a looks type of guy. By minor lowering I mean full suspension, struts, sway bars, end links, and anything else that ca be done. If you toss lowering springs on a car and leave the stock garbage struts and everything else there, thats posing as the stance is suppose to come with the cornering ability.

Tint, I just think looks good, I have never ever tinted any of my cars as I can't justify spending money on looking good until my car is fast, and really in my mind that would be over 500hp. But my GP came with minor tint and blacked out tails, I like how it looks.

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 05:40 AM

Yeah, lowering just doesn't look right to me. I'd like a modified suspension at normal height.

Also prevents scraping and the likes, to keep it at normal height.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 06:31 AM

I like a bit lower, not ground scraping. Once again my GP is at that right height, it can scrape if I am speeding in a few spots, but mostly it's great.

I like the look of concept cars, not everything about them. But when you see a concept of a car that is now in production you will see rims that fill the wells better and some tint. Just makes the car look more whole.

FordGT90Concept · 05-25-2009, 09:08 AM

Reduced profile means lower center of gravity which in turn means an ability to corner at high speeds. Low profiles are fine by me but if the owner, to achieve that lower profile, sacrificed the suspension system then I say no. A lot of those r!cers out there have their shocks soldered stiff which completely defeats the purpose.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 10:18 AM

You should have seen my sisters old Cavalier Z24. She picked it up for $400, it was rusty, had broken ground effects, some cheapo 15" rims, gauges on the inside that didn't work, chamelon painted interior (flaking horrible paint), and all the pedals and shifter knob were the bolt on kit for walmart.

One day my dad was looking at the gauges as my sister thought she had heard some sounds under the dash. He fires the car up looks under the dash and sees this nest of wires.... arcing! He turned off the car reached up and just tore them out as he figured they were just for the gauges.

Then move on to when it needed new tires. Pull a rim off and... the springs were actually clamped! I guess thats how you lower a car on a budget without taking anything apart, god that was a scary car.

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Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Reduced profile means lower center of gravity which in turn means an ability to corner at high speeds. Low profiles are fine by me but if the owner, to achieve that lower profile, sacrificed the suspension system then I say no. A lot of those r!cers out there have their shocks soldered stiff which completely defeats the purpose.

And here's a perfect example of that, this also shows a better shot of having the bead inside the actual rim (just stupid). Looks like crotch rocket tires on the back with all that curse, I suppose to get a good contact patch running the bead that low and having the camber that crazy

T3hPwn3r3r · 05-25-2009, 06:01 PM

Why would anyone change from straight camber? Doesn't more rubber meet the road when the bottom flat surface of the tire touches, providing better grip?

FordGT90Concept · 05-25-2009, 08:20 PM

And longer tire life. Riding on the wall of a tire = bad bad BAD.

1Kurgan1 · 05-25-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Why would anyone change from straight camber? Doesn't more rubber meet the road when the bottom flat surface of the tire touches, providing better grip?

You want a slight camber for tracking, side walls are not stiff on tires. But that is way over done, it's very popular like I said on the VW scene, that just happens to be a Toyota.

But also like I said look at the curve on that tire, that has to be a bike tire, no car tire is going to have that much of an arc too it, look at the bottom to get a good idea, looks dead on like something that would be on a crotch rocket.

Sometime I will have to snap a pic of the tire I created driving on a bad wheel bearing till the tire literally touched my cars strut and was no longer drivable. It had low tread on the whole tire, but I had only driven with the bad bear for about 3,000 miles and the inside I swear has about a 1/2 less tread and was literally on wires :O, thats pretty much what these guys are doing to these tires, they really even brand new an't last too much more than 10 - 15,000 miles.

yogurt_21 · 05-26-2009, 02:54 PM

I like amercan trucks/muscle, Italian speedsters, and british custom.

pepsi71ocean · 05-27-2009, 12:40 AM

Dodge Trucks=Cummins Turbo Diesel FTW!!!
Chrystler Cars
Ford Mustangs
Mazda Sporters
Aston Martin Euro sports cars.

Deusxmachina · 05-27-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SK-1

German the best rounded. American muscle for thrust and sound, Italian for looks and everything else.

Anyone have opinions on the reliability of Italian cars? Sure seems like they break a lot, especially for the price. Reminds me of a Car and Driver article where they took a low-mileage F40 and a Diablo through Florida rush-hour traffic. A/C broke, gas cap broke, seat broke, their McClaren F1 would overheat all the time.... stuff that wouldn't fly on a $25k car gets a pass because they are "exotic."

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

That's the thing though. Most tuners, especially 4 cylinders, end up making you look like a tool.

If I tune it, I will be as discrete as possible. 4 cylinder+bigger exhaust=FART.

Turbo 4s usually don't have that fart sound. At least the ones I'm used to don't. Put 3" on and they can sound downright mean. As with most/all cars, choice of muffler can be very important. 2.5" with something like a Dynomax Super Turbo can sound nice while being surprisingly quiet.

T3hPwn3r3r · 06-09-2009, 05:24 PM

Don't know what turbo 4s you drive, but they still don't have the displacement to get anything but a high pitched wimpy sound.

TBH - if it sounds like a lawnmower - I don't want it.

Find me a 4 banger that sounds good with a large exhaust and I'll say it, but I really don't see the appeal in ricerockets.

Wile E · 06-09-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Don't know what turbo 4s you drive, but they still don't have the displacement to get anything but a high pitched wimpy sound.

TBH - if it sounds like a lawnmower - I don't want it.

Find me a 4 banger that sounds good with a large exhaust and I'll say it, but I really don't see the appeal in ricerockets.

Subaru EJ25 w/equal-length headers (WRX/STI), 1.8T with a Techtonics exhaust (VW/AUDIs), Nissan QR25 (Sentra spec-V, 4 cyl newer Altimas)

Deusxmachina · 06-10-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Don't know what turbo 4s you drive, but they still don't have the displacement to get anything but a high pitched wimpy sound.

TBH - if it sounds like a lawnmower - I don't want it.

Find me a 4 banger that sounds good with a large exhaust and I'll say it, but I really don't see the appeal in ricerockets.

T3hPwn3r3r · 06-10-2009, 01:34 AM

Speed is speed unless you're in a Civic, then it's just gay.

I'd be ashamed to drive any of those except maybe the 1st in the third group or the VW - but the huge pipe coming out of the back of an Asian car still screams "I like to make out with men!"

Actually, I'm pretty sure driving a Honda, Toyota, Eagle, or Mitsubishi in general and trying to make it "fast" in general does that :P I laugh everytime a Honda CRX or Eclipse comes up revving next to the VR6. It always ends with many lulz.

Deusxmachina · 06-10-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

I'd be ashamed to drive any of those except maybe the 1st in the third group or the VW - but the huge pipe coming out of the back of an Asian car still screams "I like to make out with men!"

Actually, I'm pretty sure driving a Honda, Toyota, Eagle, or Mitsubishi in general and trying to make it "fast" in general does that :P I laugh everytime a Honda CRX or Eclipse comes up revving next to the VR6. It always ends with many lulz.

Huge pipe? They all have 3" exhaust. I think one has 3.5". At a certain power level, that's kind of required, whether you like to make out with men or not.

Trying to make an Eagle or Mitsubishi "fast"? You know those are one of the most bang-for-the-buck cars ever made, with arguably the greatest 4-cylinder engine ever made, right? No, perhaps not. Do Supras count in that Toyota category?

Nice to hear the VR6 always wins and beats up on all the WRXs and EVOs. I'm guessing it runs, what, 10s on street tires?

Wile E · 06-10-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Speed is speed unless you're in a Civic, then it's just gay.

I'd be ashamed to drive any of those except maybe the 1st in the third group or the VW - but the huge pipe coming out of the back of an Asian car still screams "I like to make out with men!"

Actually, I'm pretty sure driving a Honda, Toyota, Eagle, or Mitsubishi in general and trying to make it "fast" in general does that :P I laugh everytime a Honda CRX or Eclipse comes up revving next to the VR6. It always ends with many lulz.

lol. Your ignorance as far as cars are concerned amuses me.

As far as the exhaust tips, even the Euro car drivers use the big tips. Short of going custom, it's pretty much the status quo for aftermarket exhausts on everything except muscle cars and exotics anymore. That's a silly argument. As far as the Subies in those clips, I can't stand that Harley-ish quality to the exhaust sound. Equal length headers get rid of that. That would be the first mod I did if I ever got a WRX or STI.

Now, on to power and racing. It only takes a B16 swap in a CRX to keep up with an early VR6. and a b18C swapped Civic is a match for early generations of VR6's, and a K20A2 or Z3 swapped into a 90's thru early 2000's civic is a match for the later Vr6's. Hondas have more, and cheaper aftermarket support to be made faster tho, so who loses out in the long run here?

As far as Mitsus, you just haven't come across any that have real power mods. Any 4G63T equipped Mitsu with all the standard bolt-ons will obliterate your car.

You also don't see a lot of 1000HP VR6's floating around, do you? There are quite a few 1000HP Evos floating around tho. Just ask Buschur Racing or AMS Performance.

700+ HP Hondas aren't uncommon either.

So who looks more gay, the guy driving the modified Civic, or the guy in the VW losing to the guy in the modded Civic?

ChromeDome · 06-10-2009, 06:18 AM

Euro for refinement and durability

Japanese for reliability / dependability and overall quality

American for...um...the occasional rental

SK-1 · 06-10-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

Speed is speed unless you're in a Civic, then it's just gay.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...mbo_155553.htm

Looks like 2 gay lambo dudes then...

Deusxmachina · 06-10-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by T3hPwn3r3r

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Originally Posted by Wile E

lol. Your ignorance as far as cars are concerned amuses me.

I was trying to avoid the car threads around here for that reason.

After looking up exhaust clips, browsing around brought up a few other fun street car ones. (No V8 clips since that's not the subject at hand.) If that VR6 can bring the lulz on something like these, I'd like to know what it has done to it. These cars, you can breathe on them and gain 20hp.

I hope no one is offended by the sexual undertones of the big exhausts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUjTniuEi0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gcHYRuodI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRb0P...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1En5AoIgkFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJJi...om=PL&index=13

yogurt_21 · 06-10-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SK-1

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...mbo_155553.htm

Looks like 2 gay lambo dudes then...

uh huh no shots of speedometer and they were following a truck the whole time so I call epic fail. counting seconds between signs I guage the speeds from 60mph to 105 top. my ranger can keep up with that and it's a pos.

SK-1 · 06-10-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yogurt_21

uh huh no shots of speedometer and they were following a truck the whole time so I call epic fail. counting seconds between signs I guage the speeds from 60mph to 105 top. my ranger can keep up with that and it's a pos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzP-etuL6Y8
Denial is not just a river in Egypt... It got raped. Where is this invisible truck at 1:00 min?

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06-10-2009, 06:18 AM	#71
ChromeDome Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Out West Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Cars Euro for refinement and durability Japanese for reliability / dependability and overall quality American for...um...the occasional rental

05-25-2009, 05:30 AM	#52
frankie827 New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: connecticut Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok, i do have to admit that the nissan gt-r is a beast of a car!

05-25-2009, 05:32 AM	#53
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 642 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Yeah, but nothing ridiculously big. I like a good thick tire, especially on sedans like the Passat I'm looking to score. Makes the damage of a wheel when going over rougher roads much less likely, and here in KY, it's easy to ruin a wheel by driving the speed limit in the city due to the debris, construction, etc. Also, Nissan GTR is only a beast of a car because it's computer regulated out the ass. Still gets stomped from a roll by even mediocrely fast cars.

05-25-2009, 05:40 AM	#55
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 642 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Yeah, lowering just doesn't look right to me. I'd like a modified suspension at normal height. Also prevents scraping and the likes, to keep it at normal height.

05-25-2009, 06:31 AM	#56
1Kurgan1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 614 Thanks: 123 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	I like a bit lower, not ground scraping. Once again my GP is at that right height, it can scrape if I am speeding in a few spots, but mostly it's great. I like the look of concept cars, not everything about them. But when you see a concept of a car that is now in production you will see rims that fill the wells better and some tint. Just makes the car look more whole.

05-25-2009, 09:08 AM	#57
FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 125 Thanked 106 Times in 95 Posts	Reduced profile means lower center of gravity which in turn means an ability to corner at high speeds. Low profiles are fine by me but if the owner, to achieve that lower profile, sacrificed the suspension system then I say no. A lot of those r!cers out there have their shocks soldered stiff which completely defeats the purpose.

05-25-2009, 06:01 PM	#59
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 642 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Why would anyone change from straight camber? Doesn't more rubber meet the road when the bottom flat surface of the tire touches, providing better grip?

05-25-2009, 08:20 PM	#60
FordGT90Concept Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: IA, USA Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 125 Thanked 106 Times in 95 Posts	And longer tire life. Riding on the wall of a tire = bad bad BAD.

05-27-2009, 12:40 AM	#63
pepsi71ocean Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 234 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Dodge Trucks=Cummins Turbo Diesel FTW!!! Chrystler Cars Ford Mustangs Mazda Sporters Aston Martin Euro sports cars.

06-09-2009, 05:24 PM	#65
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 642 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Don't know what turbo 4s you drive, but they still don't have the displacement to get anything but a high pitched wimpy sound. TBH - if it sounds like a lawnmower - I don't want it. Find me a 4 banger that sounds good with a large exhaust and I'll say it, but I really don't see the appeal in ricerockets.

06-10-2009, 01:34 AM	#68
T3hPwn3r3r Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 642 Thanks: 8 Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts	Speed is speed unless you're in a Civic, then it's just gay. I'd be ashamed to drive any of those except maybe the 1st in the third group or the VW - but the huge pipe coming out of the back of an Asian car still screams "I like to make out with men!" Actually, I'm pretty sure driving a Honda, Toyota, Eagle, or Mitsubishi in general and trying to make it "fast" in general does that :P I laugh everytime a Honda CRX or Eclipse comes up revving next to the VR6. It always ends with many lulz.

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