Things you wonder about

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

I respectfully disagree. I wish I'd been alive in the forties to be a fiery by deeply loved housewife. The fashion was beautiful, women were actually respected unlike nowadays..I would've been a fantastic housefrau..

And you would have died in the 1970s or 1980s (maybe 1990s if you won the genetic lottery), and that would have been the end of you.

In this new paradigm even death may be mitigated with future technology through chromosomal error repair mechanisms...and with the possibility of brain emulation and upload, actually you could live that 1940s housewife ideal in a simulated reality which your mind would not be able to tell the difference from your current wetware reality. Chew on that for a sec before you decide you would rather be in the age when polio could cripple your child and traveling the world was painfully slow and incredibly expensive.

Our generation (those born after 1975 or so) are the first generation which may literally live forever. Once the first chromosomal repair treatments come online, even as they begin to become ineffective (say around age 120 or 130) there will be advancements which would extend life even further...ad infinitum.

And when you take out the lifetime limitations involved in space travel (due to our newly extended lives) you will see the first true space age. Space elevators bringing materials for true solar system exploring ships and with the infinite (or damn close to it) resources of space our conciousnesses will spread throughout the solar system and beyond.

The sheer possibilities of this century and the feedback loops faster feeding developments and even faster advancements which in turn create even more advancements we will see the potential of humans extended beyond our wildest dreams. This is the singularity we are screaming towards at a breakneck pace. It is thrilling!

I think so many today are still stuck in the paradigms of their histories and parent`s dogmas that many don`t realize exactly how extraordinary this time is that we are alive right now. We are on the very cusp of so many extraordinary breakthroughs (from true quantum computers to the breathtaking advancements in so many fields it would take half a page to name them all).

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by Black Panther

I wonder what's at the edge of the universe. And if there's an edge... what is there beyond.

that's where darkspace is and the reapers hibernate for 50,000 years or longer at a time waiting to cleanse the galaxy.

Originally Posted by DrPepper

Wondering how much energy my car produces per 50 litre tank compared to how much my house consumes per day.

I've always wanted a uniform rating for any type of emission. So whether it's burning coal, battery disposal, natural gas, garbage, and etc. there would be 1 measurment to compare the total impact on the globe.

This would help mitigate new "green" technologies and see just how "green" they are compared to the old. A good example would be cfl compared with incandecent. Sure the incandescent use more energy but how impacting is that over the life of the bulb versus the harmful manufacturing process of the cfl? My guess is it's too close to call and that LED is a far better technology to be investing in.

another one then would be a singular rating for energy consumption which would give you the comparison you asked for. Then we could target the biggest waste of energy and work our way down from there.

Originally Posted by DrPepper

Another is how do pornstars (male) get the job.

big dick, ugly face. show up at a porn convention and be willing to strip on command. Also you need to be excellent in the sack. You might also have to start out at a rinky dink website in russia.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

And you would have died in the 1970s or 1980s (maybe 1990s if you won the genetic lottery), and that would have been the end of you.

In this new paradigm even death may be mitigated with future technology through chromosomal error repair mechanisms...and with the possibility of brain emulation and upload, actually you could live that 1940s housewife ideal in a simulated reality which your mind would not be able to tell the difference from your current wetware reality. Chew on that for a sec before you decide you would rather be in the age when polio could cripple your child and traveling the world was painfully slow and incredibly expensive.

Our generation (those born after 1975 or so) are the first generation which may literally live forever. Once the first chromosomal repair treatments come online, even as they begin to become ineffective (say around age 120 or 130) there will be advancements which would extend life even further...ad infinitum.

And when you take out the lifetime limitations involved in space travel (due to our newly extended lives) you will see the first true space age. Space elevators bringing materials for true solar system exploring ships and with the infinite (or damn close to it) resources of space our conciousnesses will spread throughout the solar system and beyond.

The sheer possibilities of this century and the feedback loops faster feeding developments and even faster advancements which in turn create even more advancements we will see the potential of humans extended beyond our wildest dreams. This is the singularity we are screaming towards at a breakneck pace. It is thrilling!

I think so many today are still stuck in the paradigms of their histories and parent`s dogmas that many don`t realize exactly how extraordinary this time is that we are alive right now. We are on the very cusp of so many extraordinary breakthroughs (from true quantum computers to the breathtaking advancements in so many fields it would take half a page to name them all).

Hey I was just stating my own personal opinion, I didn't intend to highjack the thread. I just don't agree that this is exactly a wonderful time to be alive. That's the great thing about history..We know how it turns out lol.

I wonder what the appeal of drugs that make you see things are..I can't imagine anything more horrible than not controlling your own brain.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

Hey I was just stating my own personal opinion, I didn't intend to highjack the thread. I just don't agree that this is exactly a wonderful time to be alive. That's the great thing about history..We know how it turns out lol.

I wonder what the appeal of drugs that make you see things are..I can't imagine anything more horrible than not controlling your own brain.

I didnt think we hijacked the thread...just discussing more in depth the ideas. I thought this thread included not just a billion random questions that might pop into your head, but an examination of questions we all wonder about. If I thought it was just everyone pooping out the brain farts everyone has over and over I would have never participated in the thread.

And speaking as someone who has experienced virtually every hallucinogenic drug worth taking you are never not in control of your brain (especially on lsd). You are always in control if you know how to control your emotions and in your heart realize it is just a ride in your mind. The attraction is the blending of the sub-conscious with the conscious mind...the drugs help make the normally rock solid wall become "thinner" between those two very different minds and when done correctly can be quite beneficial towards understanding not only yourself, but others as well. Sounds like someone has been influenced by the drug wars propaganda :P

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

I didnt think we hijacked the thread...just discussing more in depth the ideas. I thought this thread included not just a billion random questions that might pop into your head, but an examination of questions we all wonder about. If I thought it was just everyone pooping out the brain farts everyone has over and over I would have never participated in the thread.

And speaking as someone who has experienced virtually every hallucinogenic drug worth taking you are never not in control of your brain (especially on lsd). You are always in control if you know how to control your emotions and in your heart realize it is just a ride in your mind. The attraction is the blending of the sub-conscious with the conscious mind...the drugs help make the normally rock solid wall become "thinner" between those two very different minds and when done correctly can be quite beneficial towards understanding not only yourself, but others as well. Sounds like someone has been influenced by the drug wars propaganda :P

Just quick note on bolded part: No, I have mental illness issues and the thought of having hallucinations or being extremely alert is awful to me personally. I have my own personal thoughts on 'the war on drugs,' and trust me..They're not what you're assuming.
I take a fair amount of prescription medication, half of it stuff that sells high on the street.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by Princess

Just quick note on bolded part: No, I have mental illness issues and the thought of having hallucinations or being extremely alert is awful to me personally. I have my own personal thoughts on 'the war on drugs,' and trust me..They're not what you're assuming.
I take a fair amount of prescription medication, half of it stuff that sells high on the street.

Same here. I could easily sell my focalin for $10/pill - probably more. Ofc that would make me a distributor of a controlled substance and I'd probably get jail time, so that isn't going to happen - ever. Not sure what lorazepam goes for. Mine are the baby .5mg dose so probably not much per pill (they look more like grains of sand actually).

[Princess]

Originally Posted by twilyth

Same here. I could easily sell my focalin for $10/pill - probably more. Ofc that would make me a distributor of a controlled substance and I'd probably get jail time, so that isn't going to happen - ever. Not sure what lorazepam goes for. Mine are the baby .5mg dose so probably not much per pill (they look more like grains of sand actually).

When I went off certain medication and went off the rails, I smoked a lot of pot with the druggies in my street. They found out about my medication, came to my birthday party and stole it all. I made a report to the police so I could get my authorities refilled, but i didn't press charges. Cleaned up my act and got back on my other meds then and there. Harsh lesson. I hear they made quite the pretty penny off my suffering.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

Just quick note on bolded part: No, I have mental illness issues and the thought of having hallucinations or being extremely alert is awful to me personally. I have my own personal thoughts on 'the war on drugs,' and trust me..They're not what you're assuming.
I take a fair amount of prescription medication, half of it stuff that sells high on the street.

Then you may want to read this and reconsider: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/1...lth-long-term/

Those psychotropics are horrible. They screw with your sexual health too much, and if it wasnt for the demonetization of hallucinogenics by the anti-hippy crowd of the 70s and their acolytes they would have a modern renaissance. In particular MDMA (a.k.a Ecstasy) and psylocybin (a.k.a magic mushrooms) are amazing. You should see the studies done of PTSD soldiers being treated with MDMA...they regain empathy...gain insights to where the stress is coming from and how to deal with it..and long lasting effects where one treatment is enough for years of cure...of course the pharma companies hate that...so the demonizations and "war" on them continues..despite actual scientific data showing conclusive, repeatable results...

The zombification of our youth with prozac, rittalin, xxx-azopams (there is a whole class of them) and their like are nothing but somatic inhibitors which cause (possibly) long term damage to sexual health (of course conservatives look at this as a benefit)...more so than any of the so called "bad drugs"...in particular cannabis and natural hallucinogenics.

But you gotta take them every day to feel "better" and the pharma companies love that (actually as you know it is only after a week of taking them that benefits begin as the levels in the brain reach a certain level which must be maintained).

Yeah..I know a shit load about pharmacology....damn im a fucking geek.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

When I went off certain medication and went off the rails, I smoked a lot of pot with the druggies in my street. They found out about my medication, came to my birthday party and stole it all. I made a report to the police so I could get my authorities refilled, but i didn't press charges. Cleaned up my act and got back on my other meds then and there. Harsh lesson. I hear they made quite the pretty penny off my suffering.

What a bunch of dicks. I would love to introduce them to my Dr. Martin dental plan. Their new dentures would be pearly white.

[MT Alex]

*Waiting for twilyth to come barging in*

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Then you may want to read this and reconsider: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/1...lth-long-term/

Those psychotropics are horrible. They screw with your sexual health too much, and if it wasnt for the demonetization of hallucinogenics by the anti-hippy crowd of the 70s and their acolytes they would have a modern renaissance. In particular MDMA (a.k.a Ecstasy) and psylocybin (a.k.a magic mushrooms) are amazing. You should see the studies done of PTSD soldiers being treated with MDMA...they regain empathy...gain insights to where the stress is coming from and how to deal with it..and long lasting effects where one treatment is enough for years of cure...of course the pharma companies hate that...so the demonizations and "war" on them continues..despite actual scientific data showing conclusive, repeatable results...

The zombification of our youth with prozac, rittalin, xxx-azopams (there is a whole class of them) and their like are nothing but somatic inhibitors which cause (possibly) long term damage to sexual health (of course conservatives look at this as a benefit)...more so than any of the so called "bad drugs"...in particular cannabis and natural hallucinogenics.

But you gotta take them every day to feel "better" and the pharma companies love that (actually as you know it is only after a week of taking them that benefits begin as the levels in the brain reach a certain level which much be maintained).

Yeah..I know a shit load about pharmacology....damn im a fucking geek.

How dare you! Why on earth would I take medical advice from someone who gets a hard on for propaganda?

A whacko on the internet thinks I should go off my prescribed medication to further his agenda, gee I'd be stupid not to take his advice.

Oh, and you're not a geek. You're a dickhead.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

How dare you! Why on earth would I take medical advice from someone who gets a hard on for propaganda?

A whacko on the internet thinks I should go off my prescribed medication to further his agenda, gee I'd be stupid not to take his advice.

Oh, and you're not a geek. You're a dickhead.

Umm I wasnt giving medical advice...just sharing information for you to read and make decisions on your own. You do have mental issues...sorry to have disturbed you. I think I shall not interact with you on this forum anymore. Anyone who has such an emotional reaction to simple information (which I had hoped you would read, leading to further study to where you could make a determination on your own) is not worth bothering with.

Good luck..you definitely need it.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Yeah..I know a shit load about pharmacology....damn im a fucking geek.

Obviously you don't.

It's quite true that some schedule one narcotics have beneficial uses - ketamine for example relieves depression by increasing BDNF levels in the brain. But your zombification rant is pure bullshit. And I've been on way more legal psychotropics than you have. I'll bet my life on that.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Umm I wasnt giving medical advice...just sharing information for you to read and make decisions on your own. You do have mental issues...sorry to have disturbed you. I think I shall not interact with you on this forum anymore. Anyone who has such an emotional reaction to simple information (which I had hoped you would read, leading to further study to where you could make a determination on your own) is not worth bothering with.

Good luck..you definitely need it.

Oh so now I should stay on my meds? Being offended by your propaganda makes me crazy now. Glad to see Doctor Internet agrees with my prescriptions.

I gotta give you kudos for effort. You manage to bring your political garbage into every thread you're on.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

Oh so now I should stay on my meds? Being offended by your propaganda makes me crazy now. Glad to see Doctor Internet agrees with my prescriptions.

I gotta give you kudos for effort. You manage to bring your political garbage into every thread you're on.

How is an article in Time magazine about a study done by John Hopkins University propaganda??

Oh and the link apparently didnt work..i only copied half the URL: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/1...lth-long-term/

ETA: Everything is political.. whether you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend it is not..it still is. Whether it is a debate between husband and wife over what to have for dinner (something I do on a daily basis) or deciding on a political party for representation. All human interactions involve politics of the mind in one way or another. There are those who recognize it and use it to their advantage, and those who do not and get used by those who do...but it is there...always..just the same...whether you like it or not...whether you want to participate or not.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

How is an article in Time magazine about a study done by John Hopkins University propaganda??

Oh and the link apparently didnt work..i only copied half the URL: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/1...lth-long-term/

In their study, the Hopkins scientists were able to reliably induce transcendental experiences in volunteers, which offered long-lasting psychological growth and helped people find peace in their lives — without the negative effects.

You can do the same thing with TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). In fact TMS is now approved for depression (or maybe OCD, can't remember).

There's also MST (magnetic seizure therapy) which is more gentle than ECT and seems to be as effective - although I think it is still not FDA approved.

[mlee49]

I wonder what will become of my legacy.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by twilyth

You can do the same thing with TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). In fact TMS is now approved for depression (or maybe OCD, can't remember).

There's also MST (magnetic seizure therapy) which is more gentle than ECT and seems to be as effective - although I think it is still not FDA approved.

Thanks! First time Ive heard of it...<running off to the great and powerful Google for more info>

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Thanks! First time Ive heard of it...<running off to the great and powerful Google for more info>

There's an ongoing open source project to design and built a TMS rig. I bought one off the internet but I don't think they're selling it any more and it was very low power anyway. Still haven't tried it yet. I keep thinking of the opening scene to City by Clifford Simak.

oh, here is project on source forge - http://open-rtms.sourceforge.net/

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

How is an article in Time magazine about a study done by John Hopkins University propaganda??

Oh and the link apparently didnt work..i only copied half the URL: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/1...lth-long-term/

You exhaust me. I'm pretty sure you're older than me and you still exhaust me bro.

I call it propaganda because I didn't click the link, I only read what you wrote, which certainly read like you're against prescription drugs because you've 'taken every hallucinogenic in the book,' and of course have a passionate vestment in taking on the government.

Look, you seem like a nice guy but seriously, why do you bring this stuff up in every single thread?
Oh and like twilyth said, since I doubt you've taken the medicine we have or done any clinical trials or written any articles in medical journals? If not, don't hand out medical advice on the internet. I don't care if you want to post this stuff, but telling me (before you rip me apart, you certainly implied that's why you posted the article) that my medicine is dangerous (when, I might add I've never said what I take) is very irresponsible. What if I listened to you? You're certainly charismatic enough. I hope you see my point.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by twilyth

You can do the same thing with TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). In fact TMS is now approved for depression (or maybe OCD, can't remember).

Damn have you seen some of the side effects??

Seizures, loss of consciousness, Discomfort or pain from the stimulation of the scalp and associated nerves and muscles on the overlying skin,rapid deformation of the TMS coil produces a loud clicking sound which increases with the stimulator intensity that can affect hearing with sufficient exposure.

I think I would rather take a controlled dosage of psylocybin mushrooms...never been a single case of seizures or really anything negative associated with them. And all the benefits stated above.

But that treatment with known severe negative side effects is approved already..yet psylocybin is still illegal...what a twisted regulatory world we live in.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

You exhaust me. I'm pretty sure you're older than me and you still exhaust me bro.

I call it propaganda because I didn't click the link, I only read what you wrote, which certainly read like you're against prescription drugs because you've 'taken every hallucinogenic in the book,' and of course have a passionate vestment in taking on the government.

Look, you seem like a nice guy but seriously, why do you bring this stuff up in every single thread?
Oh and like twilyth said, since I doubt you've taken the medicine we have or done any clinical trials or written any articles in medical journals? If not, don't hand out medical advice on the internet. I don't care if you want to post this stuff, but telling me (before you rip me apart, you certainly implied that's why you posted the article) that my medicine is dangerous (when, I might add I've never said what I take) is very irresponsible. What if I listened to you? You're certainly charismatic enough. I hope you see my point.

When I was in my teens (and very anti-establishment) the powers that be (school councilors, school psychologists) put me on the following drugs to try and "control" me:

Zoloft, Prozac, Rittalin, Klonopin and later on they even tried me on Haldol.

On the Zoloft, and Prozac I lost the ability to have an erection. The Halodol made me literally feel like I was never awake fully. The klonopin wasnt bad though, by itself.


Never judge a book by its cover my dear, nor make assumptions. And yes I am sure I am much older than you.

ETA: And to answer your question about taking advice... anyone who just listens to someone else`s words and advice without first researching and looking for answers to the new questions said advice is seriously stupid. I mean borderline brain dead.

I took for granted that you were smart and could think rationally and unemotionally about the information I provided.. do your own research.. and come to a possibly new conclusion. That is the basic scientific method and basic common sense. That you would even consider to take random internet advice makes me reassess my own assumptions about you. Ill keep that in mind in the future.

[twilyth]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

Damn have you seen some of the side effects??

Seizures, loss of consciousness, Discomfort or pain from the stimulation of the scalp and associated nerves and muscles on the overlying skin,rapid deformation of the TMS coil produces a loud clicking sound which increases with the stimulator intensity that can affect hearing with sufficient exposure.

I think I would rather take a controlled dosage of psylocybin mushrooms...never been a single case of seizures or really anything negative associated with them. And all the benefits stated above.

But that treatment with known severe negative side effects is approved already..yet psylocybin is still illegal...what a twisted regulatory world we live in.

No argument here. When I was taking pharm grade 3,4MDA (similar to MDMA - a closely related psychedelic amphetamine), my OCD symptoms went into remission. And after I stopped, they stayed in remission for several years. I'm trying to remember the dates. I think it was about 5-7 years before they started to come back. If I knew another organic chemist I could trust, I wouldn't hesitate to try that or some of the other compounds still available but from unregulated sources.

You can't worry too much about side effects with new technology. You just have to be cautious. What I like is that there are probably no long term effects except after repeated exposure and I'm much less afraid of an oscillating magnetic field than I am of chemicals.

In fact, several years ago when i went for my brain MRI (much stronger fields in use here btw), i got out of the machine and was absolutely giddy. I'd love to get an MRI everyday.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

When I was in my teens (and very anti-establishment) the powers that be (school councilors, school psychologists) put me on the following drugs to try and "control" me:

Zoloft, Prozac, Rittalin, Klonopin and later on they even tried me on Haldol.

On the Zoloft, and Prozac I lost the ability to have an erection. The Halodol made me literally feel like I was never awake fully. The klonopin wasnt bad though, by itself.


Never judge a book by its cover my dear, nor make assumptions. And yes I am sure I am much older than you.

Really? Because you strongly implied i was a lunatic after snapping at you before. I didn't realize judging only went your way.

I apologize for losing my temper, but I was honestly shocked that anyone would hand out medical advice over a forum.

I'm sorry that happened to you, but not all people have those side effects. I really do believe all people should be allowed to have their own choices in medication, whether they should take it, if they want naturopathy etc etc.

For me, medication works best.

Originally Posted by ProgressiveTokyo

I took for granted that you were smart and could think rationally and unemotionally about the information I provided.. do your own research.. and come to a possibly new conclusion. That is the basic scientific method and basic common sense. That you would even consider to take random internet advice makes me reassess my own assumptions about you. Ill keep that in mind in the future.

Okay, i'll repeat myself. I never would, but there are people who would.
Yes, I get it, i got it the first time. You think I'm a stupid, bitchy little lunatic. I don't care. I just don't want anyone to ever take advice from randoms on the net. Since this forum shows up high on google in searches, I feel that's important.

EDIT: Please don't tell me about common sense. I'm not the one who handed out dangerous advice on a forum, you are.

[ProgressiveTokyo]

Originally Posted by Princess

Really? Because you strongly implied i was a lunatic after snapping at you before. I didn't realize judging only went your way.

That is only if you assume I was implying you were a lunatic..which I wasnt directing it at you. I was speaking in generalized terms at the time...Im sorry you misinterpreted it and took it personally.

I wont let it happen again. Again sorry.