Court Denies DOJ Request For Stay; Trump Immigration Order Remains Suspended

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  1. Jaydenz

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    Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnayev immigrated from Kyrgyzstan to Mathachkala Dagestan, Russia in 2001. In 2002 they entered the USA on a 90 day tourist visa and their dad, Anzor, applied for asylum because fear of persecution. He had ties to Chechnya where his wife was born. The parents were granted asylum and the kids were granted derivative asylum status. Like Chechnya and Dagestan aren't hot spots for terrorists...
    The FSB (Internal Russian Security) warned the FBI and CIA about the Tsarnayev brothers almost 2 years before the bombing but that was mostly ignored... Obama was the US president when that happened, btw.
    The FSB issued another warning 6 months before the bombing but their US counterparts were too dumbed down to even know the Cyrillic alphabet.
    Царнаев = Tsarnayev. Russian "e" = English "ye". The FBI and CIA mispelled his name "Tsarnaev". What's worse, they interviewed the Tsarnayevs but they were still only using the name to track them.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bo...-about-tsarnaev-spelling-issue-let-him-n60836

    With that level of incompetence in the FBI and CIA, I totally didn't faint when President Trump issued the order. Why overload a system that doesn't work?
     
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    Are you guys really arguing against the American idea?
    If we give up our values to win, what are we winning?

    You can like Trump and disagree with him too.
     
  3. Jaydenz

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    What are we winning?
    The lives of the people that support those values and lose them at Boston Marathons. So maybe some values are self-defeating.
    I don't agree with everything Trump supports - especially ecology, gay issues, and abortion - but I totally do agree with the immigration ban.
     
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    That's what the 90 day thing is about. Trump demanded a review of the system with recommendations to fix it shortly thereafter.


    Also, I think Interpol needs some beefing up. If someone is traveling that the outgoing or incoming nation has concerns about, they should let Interpol know then Interpol should ping any nation that receives or departures them. That way there is no confusion and everyone that needs to know a suspect is on the move will know.
     
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  5. Steevo

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    I think the USA needs to take a break from being world police, and the largest contributors to foreign aid, and stop taking in so many immigrants.

    The US is great due to its LAWS AND CULTURE. Nothing else. It isn't the immigrants, it isn't the statues, it isn't anything other countries can't do themselves. So why keep taking in the good and bad of other places, when those people are running away from a problem, when the US had to and still has to face up to its problems on the world scene every day?

    The US has been seen as the bottomless basket for too long, and its taking its toll on the average person here, a large number of citizens have been paying taxes to pay for help for many other countries, and to unfortunately pay for black ops of our own government spying on us, and helping to create banana republics.
     
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    The left gloats about how great Japan is but they have the strictest immigration policies ever, yet they never call Japan racists...
     
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    of course not, they want to BE Japanese. So they would never think to criticize them.

    in the end liberalism has always had the same flaw, "everywhere else is better than here"

    Thomas Jefferson was obsessed with France, and begged his colleagues to assist in the french revolution. Of course that would have been in terrible bad taste, since it was the french monarchy that aided us in the revolutionary war.

    Many have been Europe obsessed, Asia obsessed, etc. Always on the "we should do things just like they are"

    It's a foolish pattern of forgetting any of the problems and only focusing on the good over there. Meanwhile they forget any of the good we have here and only focus on the bad we have here.

    Conservatism of course has the opposite problem, focusing on what is good here and bad there. For a nation that supposedly about Independence and Freedom there are few who have each of thought.

    So here we are back to basic extremes with few willing to stand in the middle for fear of being trampled.

    I have no issue adopting policies that have worked elsewhere providing that they have an ability to work here. Lately Australia has been a focus because of drought and gun policies. The policies appear to have worked in Australia, but I would need convincing evidence to suggest they would work here. For starters in the US guns are not viewed the same way as they are pretty much anywhere else in the world. So I have a hard time seeing an aussie style gun legislation working in the US.

    Drought wise the aussie methods appear extreme, but seeing how California wastes water perhaps they could be necessary in the west. The east would have little use for them so a national policy would be foolish.
     
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    Japan got how they did because they stopped spending ridiculous amounts of money (and lives) on their military and stuck with a solely defensive military. That may be a bit far us, but we could certainly do with a significantly smaller offensive one.
     
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    Might not be whats happening, but an interesting point of view.

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    Japan didn't have much of a choice. For better or worse, USA did occupy Japan post-WW2. That said, Japan is in pretty bad shape today. They're perpetually in debt (like USA) and a lot of their urban areas are slum-like. Their culture is also very introverted compared to most other cultures around the world.

    Too bad @ProgressiveTokyo isn't around anymore. :(


    I wish Trump were that smart but I doubt he is. Trump's forte is ruthlessness, not so much subversion. The ruthlessness of trying to push everything through so fast could have had the unintended effect as described. I doubt it was planned though.
     
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    Trump may not be as dumb as many think he is, he manages to keep the media circus going, even getting CNN to cut Bernie due to more "technical issues" as he made a joke, he is making them look like the asshat they really are, and stirring up the pot and showing the public how shitty the left is really acting.

    The left has been protecting their own and the house needs cleaned before people will put faith in it again, minus of course the left wing die hards. But protecitng Anthony Weiner when he should be in prison for sexting a 15 year old, the pizzagate shooter only managed to shoot the hard drive of the computer... and is the relative of someone associated with the Clinton foundation, and speaking of that, all the pedo rings taken down in countries that withdrew their support for the clinton foundation, and countries that donated hundreds of millions of dollars...... we may see a few rocky years as the people continue to not forget all the shit exposed this election cycle.


    I think we are just warming up too, try to see what can we really do. The outcome will be the lies, and sins of many left and right laid bare for all to see, getting the people in power out of coast mode and into action mode or being replaced. The "berniecrats" are still pushing for elected officials, and hopefully we see some action from them in getting new blood into office that has no taste for the corporate dick.
     
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    Another executive order is in the works.

    FYI, Trump was right when he said that the 9th circuit has a 80%+ appeal turnover rate so the accusation that they are liberal and don't reflect the USA are confirmed. That said, there's two other federal circuit courts that have even higher turnover rates.
     

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